DM07 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, well http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-23/line-application-denies-reports-thailand-is-monitoring-messages.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFarAndNear Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 As far as I know you can still anonymously buy (prepaid-)SIM-Cards in Thailand or use old ones that hadn't been registered. And even if that is not possible, you could still use foreign SIM-Cars from for example Laos, Cambodia or even any european country via roaming within thailand. Or you could send and receive LINE-messages to and from Thailand while you and your phone is abroad in Singapore or UK. So what sense makes a monitoring of messages? What would they do if there were any illegal information or propaganda? Block the account? I am not sure if that is technically possible for the police or the military. Arrest the sender or receiver of the offending Bytes and Downloads? How? If they don't have his adress (unregistered SIM-Card)? Are they going to install IMSI-Catchers in the streets of Bangkok? But even then you would have hundreds of Devices in one single GPRS-cell in downtown Sukhumvit.... Line just uses your simcard as verification. But all communication is IP based. Yes you are right you just could use a foreign SIM Card or unregistered Thai Sim Card. If they want to find you and you are still in the country and online with your smartphone where LINE is installed they can trace you. First of all LINE runs in the background and will always PING to the LINE network while you mobilephone is either connected to a wifi hotspot or mobile data. So there are a bunch of possibilities to locate someone. If you used mobile data they can trace your phone in a few meter and probably can even trace back your mobile phones locations of the last few days or even weeks. If they have your past locations they will probably have a look there and search you or people who do know you or CCTV. Seriously.... if you are hiding something or want to communicte safe dont use LINE or even better avoid smartphones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Dear Citizens, you are being watched. So be thankfull our glorious leader has returned your happiness. Now go about your business and report all thought crimes to the caring government. Reminder from the Department of Propaganda and Surveillance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbanda Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I think this is just to make Thais ladies aware that can be in trouble sharing some kind of pictures, of some kind of people..... Gossips have some limitations here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 As far as I know you can still anonymously buy (prepaid-)SIM-Cards in Thailand or use old ones that hadn't been registered. And even if that is not possible, you could still use foreign SIM-Cars from for example Laos, Cambodia or even any european country via roaming within thailand. Or you could send and receive LINE-messages to and from Thailand while you and your phone is abroad in Singapore or UK. So what sense makes a monitoring of messages? What would they do if there were any illegal information or propaganda? Block the account? I am not sure if that is technically possible for the police or the military. Arrest the sender or receiver of the offending Bytes and Downloads? How? If they don't have his adress (unregistered SIM-Card)? Are they going to install IMSI-Catchers in the streets of Bangkok? But even then you would have hundreds of Devices in one single GPRS-cell in downtown Sukhumvit.... You can monitor the phone itself, not just the sim. Each phone has a unique number hard coded into it. It's known as the IMEI number, changing the sim doesn't change the IMEI number in any way. You can derive from this the fact that a change of sim is easily detectable and loggable by someone with access to power on / connection data. With the IMEI number you can locate the position of a phone as it will be continuously connecting to multiple cellphone towers wherever you are, once you have that it's trivial to get the location of the phone in question. You just triangulate the position based on the signal strengths each tower reports. This is surprisingly accurate and nothing new. A little story. Some 10+ years ago in the UK a friend of mine got a taxi home from a pub one night. He found a phone on the back seat of the cab, picked it up and put it in his pocket. About 30 minutes later when he was at home he received a call on this phone, he said he was holding it and would have returned it when the owner called asking where it is and I believe him as he's generally a good guy. The call was from the police, they were quite abrupt and said 'we know you've got our phone and we want it back, we're outside now, come out and return it and nothing more will be said'. Sure enough, he looked out of the window and there was a police car in the middle of the road. He gave them the phone and they drove off. This suggests the resolution of their tracking wasn't so good back then that they could identify with certainty which house he was in while the phone wasn't moving, this was a long time ago when the technology was nothing like it is now. The phone you carry really is a physical tracking device in your pocket and it doesn't need GPS to do this. You mention IMSI catchers, when you're the government you don't need these as you will have access to all the networks and all the raw data you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 "maintaining both physical and mental health and unyielding to the dark force or desires" Ha, ha, ha, brilliant. There's a sticker for that? Is it Darth Vader with a big X over his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) For those less familiar with all the technical terms and so, here a nice glossary of key terms, compliments of the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25085592 Edited December 23, 2014 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 The kid of today will wise up to any monitoring shenanigans the government are up to and they will turn to that less troublesome technology called FTF communication. You and I know FTF communication well. 'Face To Face' the coming revolution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thairookie Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 How to trace if Thailand if a data SIM card can be bought at any 7/11 store? Sent from my GT-N7105 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriswillems Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 How to trace if Thailand if a data SIM card can be bought at any 7/11 store? Sent from my GT-N7105 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I suppose you've a Line ID, facebook, and so on. It's very easy to link all those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american12bthai Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 duh. you can all thank the NSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunpa Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, there you go... Merry Juntamas everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai tech Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Line refutes claims of government monitoring The company which owns the Line social media app, has denied the recent reports that the Thai government is monitoring all the messages sent via the service in Thailand."No monitoring by the Thailand government has been conducted", said Nam Ji Woong on behalf of South Korean Naver Corp., which owns Line.According to the popular newspaper Khaosod, Pornchai Rujiprapa, who is Thailand's minister of information, communication and technology, claimed the ministry could actually determine the content of Line messages, and of course would pay close attention to any that contravened Thai laws.At the moment, Thailand is still under martial law, and the ruling body is obviously very sensitive to the kind of anti-establishment messages and social media content that might be circulated via websites and social media and messaging apps. Line has been in hot water before, in terms of accusations of collaborating with Thai authorities. One story on TelecomAsia.net stated that the Thai police had visited Japan to request access to Line's servers for national security reasons. It's unknown at this time what the outcome of that activity was.Line denies involvementThe Japanese division of Line has always denied the claims that they have been in co-operation with Thai police. In an effort to reassure users, the company's CEO Akira Morikawa has said that chat logs could only be released with presentation of a suitable court order in Japan.This news just serves to highlight how ordinary consumers should be aware of the security implications for their private messaging. With many governments around the world accused of secretive espionage and snooping operations (not least the USA's National Security Agency), it's a sobering thought to know that almost nothing that you do on a smartphone these days is ever truly secret.There's perhaps not much ordinary people can do to avoid government snooping, hackers and cyber-threats, but there are smartphones out there (such as the BlackPhone) which do provide more secure ways to communicate. Read more on the story: http://tech.thaivisa.com/naver-denies-reports-thai-govt-monitoring-line-messages/ -- Tech News by Thaivisa 2014-12-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishsmile Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 The best New Year message I can convey to Thailand is to Grow up, your immaturity prose is showing , take a big breath and think why are all these messages that offend certain Thai senses are being written , the subjects that are being monitored I myself wouldn't waste my time in composing, Verdict: Police State. Correction.... CORRUPT POLICE STATE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fey Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 they could trace it if you are using 3g through your phone and you have location services or gps on. they could also trace through for example topping up on the keypad machine at a 7-eleven whereby a clerk would get a relay message to call police, but would need to arrive in time to catch you. if its on public wifi its untraceable to you, though they could identify the coffee shop or apartment block at the routers address and search rooms to find the specific phone with the messages. you would need to be logged into line when they find the phone or you would need to be coerced to provide username and password. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fey Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 they could trace it if you are using 3g through your phone and you have location services or gps on. they could also trace through for example topping up on the keypad machine at a 7-eleven whereby a clerk would get a relay message to call police, but would need to arrive in time to catch you. if its on public wifi its untraceable to you, though they could identify the coffee shop or apartment block at the routers address and search rooms to find the specific phone with the messages. you would need to be logged into line when they find the phone or you would need to be coerced to provide username and password. the greater risk is being stopped, for say a piss test, and being logged on, and the cop searching texts under the guise of drug suspicion and finding other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnestockholm Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) . Edited December 23, 2014 by arnestockholm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 According to a report in the other paper, LINE have denied Thailand authorities are monitoring messages. So we have a lying official. virtually everything this junta has said has been proven to be lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted57 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 According to a report in the other paper, LINE have denied Thailand authorities are monitoring messages. So we have a lying official. Virtually everything Khaosod newspaper has said has been proven to be lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 According to a report in the other paper, LINE have denied Thailand authorities are monitoring messages. So we have a lying official. virtually everything this junta has said has been proven to be lies The Junta could just shut down the entire network system of Thailand, if they choose to.... .... but then the Citizens of this country would go paranoid … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If you Google 'GPEN' (the quoted creator of these stickers), the top result is to a company that makes 'personal vaporisers' https://www.google.com/search?client=aff-maxthon-maxthon4&channel=t26&q=gpen&gws_rd=ssl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 C'mon Thailand, move on! Your economy is looking dicey, the police are running riot and fewer people are visiting. There are more pressing things that require these WASTED man hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 According to a report in the other paper, LINE have denied Thailand authorities are monitoring messages. So we have a lying official. virtually everything this junta has said has been proven to be lies The aim is to induce fear into the population. Not for any particular program to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) C'mon Thailand, move on! Your economy is looking dicey, the police are running riot and fewer people are visiting. There are more pressing things that require these WASTED man hours. You're confusing what is important for the country with what is important for the leaders. The most important thing for this military government is to maintain power and control at all cost. So monitoring any signs of dissent (and severe punishment for all dissenters) is very important for their survival, even if it damages the economy through waste and misallocation of resources. Edited December 24, 2014 by Time Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiSePuede419 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Google Playstore pulled my app because they claimed it contained "offensive images", 555. Really, it had nothing more than you could see on the average playground teeter-totter (do tbose even exist anymore?). China threatened arrest of China-based Google execs, if they didn't keetow to China's demands. I haven't been to China, but my understanding is you can buy porn, dildos and lingerie in any big city, everywhere, 555... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhnomKhnom Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 OF COURSE, all communications are monitored by some kind of govt or private industry or jealous husband or whatever. Remember that Thailand officials are not the only ones listening here in Thailand or other places. One should automatically assume that EVERYTHING they write or speak anywhere is recorded or observed. Officials would be quite negligent not to monitor thaivisa comments, for example, and other social media sites. I regularly make overseas Skype telephone calls which I assume are monitored but dont know about Skype encryption stories. The citizens of the USA insisted that that govt catch "terrorists" BEFORE they do anything bad. The only way to do that is to conduct close surveillance on EVERYONE because bad guys can be teenagers with kitchen pots in Boston. This practice is now being used all over the world by USA and any other govt that can afford it. I recommend that the average person establish themselves as so inconsequential and even a nut case so as to be easily dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 According to a report in the other paper, LINE have denied Thailand authorities are monitoring messages. So we have a lying official. virtually everything this junta has said has been proven to be lies The aim is to induce fear into the population. Not for any particular program to work Oh, so when Yingluck's government introduced this monitoring, they were trying to induce fear into the population ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlTyson Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 According to a report in the other paper, LINE have denied Thailand authorities are monitoring messages. So we have a lying official. virtually everything this junta has said has been proven to be lies The aim is to induce fear into the population. Not for any particular program to work Oh, so when Yingluck's government introduced this monitoring, they were trying to induce fear into the population ... Yingluk would love you to be able to post and read all the stuff they are blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Looking around me in the BTS last night and this morning Thai either don't care or didn't get the message yet Edited December 24, 2014 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzdocxx Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I for one am so relieved they are doing this monitoring, I can sleep a lot easier at night now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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