Deputy PM Wissanu: Next election to be ready by February 2016

[baboon]

"He said that, in case a public referendum is recommended,"

Funny thing is if there is no referendum the red apologists will scream "undemocratic" and if there is a referendum and it does not suit the PTP agenda the majority will be denounced and ignored as it was in the 2007 referendum.

As shown through some of the negative narrative regarding the election this logical fallacy is already rising it's ugly head. Even the election is already boxed away in the red apologists warehouse of excuses. If they win the next election it is a "win for democracy" if they loose the next election it was because only candidates chosen and vetted by the military and the elites" will be the excuse.

The delay in elections actually put the PTP in a bad light. It shows that it takes time to dig a country out of undemocracy. From the coup in May 22nd to February, 2016 is 21 months. So pretty much 1 and a half months for every principle that the PTP failed to adhere to (yes, yes yingluck was elected) So in fact the Junta's only fault was being too generous with their deadline for elections in the first place.

​Democracy won't happen overnight and it won't happen at the barrel of a gun like the UDD tried to do recently.

Yes, quite. Heaven forbid anyone holding the country to ransom at gunpoint. This should never be allowed...

[FangFerang]

"He said that, in case a public referendum is recommended,"

Funny thing is if there is no referendum the red apologists will scream "undemocratic" and if there is a referendum and it does not suit the PTP agenda the majority will be denounced and ignored as it was in the 2007 referendum.

As shown through some of the negative narrative regarding the election this logical fallacy is already rising it's ugly head. Even the election is already boxed away in the red apologists warehouse of excuses. If they win the next election it is a "win for democracy" if they loose the next election it was because only candidates chosen and vetted by the military and the elites" will be the excuse.

The delay in elections actually put the PTP in a bad light. It shows that it takes time to dig a country out of undemocracy. From the coup in May 22nd to February, 2016 is 21 months. So pretty much 1 and a half months for every principle that the PTP failed to adhere to (yes, yes yingluck was elected) So in fact the Junta's only fault was being too generous with their deadline for elections in the first place.

​Democracy won't happen overnight and it won't happen at the barrel of a gun like the UDD tried to do recently.

The yellow apologists are much funnier than the red apologists. Both apologists have selective memories, wear cast iron blinders regarding their chosen heroes, and try to label anyone who disagrees with their chosen heroes as being an apologist for the other side.

What bombastic infantile sophistry! Most human beings are centrists, not wing-nuts of any color.

The yellow apologists are more hilarious in that...they only have one Shin thing to Shin say about Shin anything. No viable Shin suggestions on how the country could have Shin stable political structures, nor one viable Shin suggestion about resolving the vast Shin and pervasive Shin social inequality that has been a Shin hallmark of Thai governments since a century before the Shins.

I can always count on djjamie for a laugh, unfortunately I am beginning to believe that he believes his own self-deceptions are justified and; therefore, acceptable.

[lewy67]

The reds will never get power back through an election organised by the EC under the electoral laws put in place by the current government because they won't have red candidates to vote for. Universal suffrage just hasn't worked for the military/elite coalition that currently rules Thailand and plans to rule in perpetuity.

The reds will only ever get power back if they are prepared to have a lot of their blood spilled on the streets. Not sure they have the nuts.

[djjamie]

"He said that, in case a public referendum is recommended,"

Funny thing is if there is no referendum the red apologists will scream "undemocratic" and if there is a referendum and it does not suit the PTP agenda the majority will be denounced and ignored as it was in the 2007 referendum.

As shown through some of the negative narrative regarding the election this logical fallacy is already rising it's ugly head. Even the election is already boxed away in the red apologists warehouse of excuses. If they win the next election it is a "win for democracy" if they loose the next election it was because only candidates chosen and vetted by the military and the elites" will be the excuse.

The delay in elections actually put the PTP in a bad light. It shows that it takes time to dig a country out of undemocracy. From the coup in May 22nd to February, 2016 is 21 months. So pretty much 1 and a half months for every principle that the PTP failed to adhere to (yes, yes yingluck was elected) So in fact the Junta's only fault was being too generous with their deadline for elections in the first place.

​

Democracy won't happen overnight and it won't happen at the barrel of a gun like the UDD tried to do recently.

You really are in a different place to most of us.

BTW who was Daffy Duck before, old friend of yours?

How predictable.

3 responses to my post and not one that addresses the uncomfortable truths I present.

I assume the next red apologist conspiracy is that me and Daffy Duck are the same person! That should stir up the red hornets nest for a few days..

Edited December 24, 2014 by djjamie

[whybother]

Thais just had other news stories that they rejected a popularly elected PM and parliament. The elite are pushing and posturing for "hand picked" politicians.

How do you go from "rejected a popularly elected PM" to "hand picked politicians".

They've basically proposed the same system that has been in place for the last (at least) 15 years.

[whybother]

If a referendum on the charter is required then delay to May?

Surely simply incorporate the referendum in the election, cheaper, rubber stamp everything at once.

Given the constitution will define how elections are set up and how the politicians are elected, it would be a bit hard to combine the referendum with the election, even for rubber stamping purposes.

[whybother]

Ah!! but has Khun Abhisit and Suthep been asked, or approve this yet.

But aren't they just puppets of the elite? Why would they be asked?

[whybother]

"He said that, in case a public referendum is recommended, the National Legislative Assembly will likely need three months to carry out the procedure. As a result, it will cause the general election to take place in May 2016 instead."

This deadline to include a referendum process ASSUMES there will be no major opposition to the proposed constitution in the referendum or that such opposition will be ignored. If there was a significant opposition to the constitution, I would expect under a normal participatory democratic process that the proposed constitution would have to be revised - maybe three to six months delay.

Since slipping elections to even February 2016 is a danger for the NCPO's political survival, practically I don't believe there can possibly be a real referendum - maybe a vote by the NLA as "presentatives" of the electorate. The NCPO can simply explain that a referendum will just create political divide and threaten national security, and for reform to go forward it must force the nation to abide for the good of the nation.

In 2007, it was "Accept this one or we will impose our own". They may as well rubber stamp the constitution and get on with the election.

[alocacoc]

People who followed foreigner press or can at least do the math 1+1+1 will understand, that it is necessary that the current regime will last for a undefined time.

[DaffyDuck]

I assume the next red apologist conspiracy is that me and Daffy Duck are the same person! That should stir up the red hornets nest for a few days..

Here, let me help that one along: I AM NOT DAFFY DUCK!!

[DaffyDuck]

(hey, how do you delete or edit a comment when it's beyond the editing time?)

[Baerboxer]

"He said that, in case a public referendum is recommended,"

Funny thing is if there is no referendum the red apologists will scream "undemocratic" and if there is a referendum and it does not suit the PTP agenda the majority will be denounced and ignored as it was in the 2007 referendum.

As shown through some of the negative narrative regarding the election this logical fallacy is already rising it's ugly head. Even the election is already boxed away in the red apologists warehouse of excuses. If they win the next election it is a "win for democracy" if they loose the next election it was because only candidates chosen and vetted by the military and the elites" will be the excuse.

The delay in elections actually put the PTP in a bad light. It shows that it takes time to dig a country out of undemocracy. From the coup in May 22nd to February, 2016 is 21 months. So pretty much 1 and a half months for every principle that the PTP failed to adhere to (yes, yes yingluck was elected) So in fact the Junta's only fault was being too generous with their deadline for elections in the first place.

​Democracy won't happen overnight and it won't happen at the barrel of a gun like the UDD tried to do recently.

The yellow apologists are much funnier than the red apologists. Both apologists have selective memories, wear cast iron blinders regarding their chosen heroes, and try to label anyone who disagrees with their chosen heroes as being an apologist for the other side.

What bombastic infantile sophistry! Most human beings are centrists, not wing-nuts of any color.

The yellow apologists are more hilarious in that...they only have one Shin thing to Shin say about Shin anything. No viable Shin suggestions on how the country could have Shin stable political structures, nor one viable Shin suggestion about resolving the vast Shin and pervasive Shin social inequality that has been a Shin hallmark of Thai governments since a century before the Shins.

I can always count on djjamie for a laugh, unfortunately I am beginning to believe that he believes his own self-deceptions are justified and; therefore, acceptable.

You've been somewhat selective too when it suits, and often appeared to be leaning more than a little in favor of Dr. T's brand of family run monopolistic corporate capitalism and half truth democracy.

Condemning a family clan based political party that was run based on nepotism, cronyism, corruption, illegality and out right lying doesn't automatically make the author a so called "yellow supporter" or a democrat, Suthep or Abhisit supporter. Nor does it mean they are a fan of the Junta. But it's easier to claim they are and dismiss there comments about the Shinattra party rather than address what are often embarrassing truths. Shinwattra controlled political parties have dominated the political scene for many years - and each incarnation has gone the same way. They haven't learned or changed and never will. Nor will the others.

There is no middle of the road, independent party here, acting for the benefits of the whole nation and its people. If only there was. But, that would rely on a strong impartial effective justice system which doesn't exist and doesn't really seem likely too. Thailand will only wake up when it's too late.

[JAG]

Not a hope of this happening, the army finally has complete control of the country and it will remain like this for the forseeable future

At what cost?

Whatever it may cost.

[jesimps]

"He said that, in case a public referendum is recommended,"

Funny thing is if there is no referendum the red apologists will scream "undemocratic" and if there is a referendum and it does not suit the PTP agenda the majority will be denounced and ignored as it was in the 2007 referendum.

As shown through some of the negative narrative regarding the election this logical fallacy is already rising it's ugly head. Even the election is already boxed away in the red apologists warehouse of excuses. If they win the next election it is a "win for democracy" if they loose the next election it was because only candidates chosen and vetted by the military and the elites" will be the excuse.

The delay in elections actually put the PTP in a bad light. It shows that it takes time to dig a country out of undemocracy. From the coup in May 22nd to February, 2016 is 21 months. So pretty much 1 and a half months for every principle that the PTP failed to adhere to (yes, yes yingluck was elected) So in fact the Junta's only fault was being too generous with their deadline for elections in the first place.

​Democracy won't happen overnight and it won't happen at the barrel of a gun like the UDD tried to do recently.

The yellow apologists are much funnier than the red apologists. Both apologists have selective memories, wear cast iron blinders regarding their chosen heroes, and try to label anyone who disagrees with their chosen heroes as being an apologist for the other side.

What bombastic infantile sophistry! Most human beings are centrists, not wing-nuts of any color.

The yellow apologists are more hilarious in that...they only have one Shin thing to Shin say about Shin anything. No viable Shin suggestions on how the country could have Shin stable political structures, nor one viable Shin suggestion about resolving the vast Shin and pervasive Shin social inequality that has been a Shin hallmark of Thai governments since a century before the Shins.

I can always count on djjamie for a laugh, unfortunately I am beginning to believe that he believes his own self-deceptions are justified and; therefore, acceptable.

You've been somewhat selective too when it suits, and often appeared to be leaning more than a little in favor of Dr. T's brand of family run monopolistic corporate capitalism and half truth democracy.

Condemning a family clan based political party that was run based on nepotism, cronyism, corruption, illegality and out right lying doesn't automatically make the author a so called "yellow supporter" or a democrat, Suthep or Abhisit supporter. Nor does it mean they are a fan of the Junta. But it's easier to claim they are and dismiss there comments about the Shinattra party rather than address what are often embarrassing truths. Shinwattra controlled political parties have dominated the political scene for many years - and each incarnation has gone the same way. They haven't learned or changed and never will. Nor will the others.

There is no middle of the road, independent party here, acting for the benefits of the whole nation and its people. If only there was. But, that would rely on a strong impartial effective justice system which doesn't exist and doesn't really seem likely too. Thailand will only wake up when it's too late.

Ah, so sorry. There was I thinking that djjamie was a died in the wool, raving yellow apologist when all the time he was just a normal middle of the road chappie. Silly me.