Debris spotted off Indonesia coast, possible link to AirAsia

[Lite Beer]

Debris spotted off Indonesia coast, possible link to AirAsia
Associated Press

SURABAYA, Indonesia (AP) — An Indonesia National Search and Rescue spokesman says several pieces of debris have been spotted floating in the sea off Borneo island, possibly linked to the missing AirAsia jetliner.

Yusuf Latif says an Indonesian military aircraft saw white, red and black objects, including what appears to be a life jacket, off the coast, about 105 miles south of Pangkalan Bun.

The agency has dispatched at least one helicopter to pick up the items for investigation, which will be taken to the search and rescue coordination post on Belitung Island.

-- (c) Associated Press 2014-12-30

[Lite Beer]

Items resembling slide, plane door seen in AirAsia search

PANGKALUN BUN, Indonesia (AFP) - Items resembling an emergency slide, plane door and other objects were spotted during an aerial search Tuesday for missing AirAsia flight 8501, Indonesian officials said.

"We spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph," Indonesian air force official Agus Dwi Putranto told a press conference.

"The position is 10 kilometres (six miles) from the location the plane was last captured by radar," he said.

He displayed 10 photos of objects resembling a plane door, emergency slide, and a square box-like object.

An AFP photographer on the same flight that spotted the debris said he had seen objects in the sea resembling a life raft, life jackets and long orange tubes.

Source: http://www.nationmul...--30250968.html

-- The Nation 2014-12-30

[Lite Beer]

RT @W7VOA: Another shot from Kompas TV. #QZ8501 http://twitter.com/W...7021824/photo/1

[Lite Beer]

RT @W7VOA: Close up screen grab of object in Java Sea. #QZ8501 http://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/549805952795295745/photo/1

[Mosha]

RT @W7VOA: Close up screen grab of object in Java Sea. #QZ8501 http://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/549805952795295745/photo/1

Could it be a Life Jacket?

[Cuchulainn]

Inevitable, I suppose. What a way to start a new year for the families.

[Dannyboy666]

Inevitable, I suppose. What a way to start a new year for the families.

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At least it won't be agonizing like the other Malaysian Airline Flight, at least they will have some Closure...

[krisb]

The Captains Father buried his other son last week. Horrible.

[gchurch259]

"Life Vest", is he proper nomenclature of the emergency equipment carried on these aircraft. They are either yellow or orange. If the container is not open and he vest inflated it will sink. Could not make out what theses items are.

I am very familiar with aircraft and their components, it has been my life for over 60 years, military and commercial.

[Guest]

AFP

#BREAKING Debris 'from AirAsia plane': Indonesian civil aviation

30/12/14 14:09

[wpcoe]

On another forum (if I can mention? if not, mods please delete reference) someone who apparently is actively involved in the investigation and who, in investigations of past incidents, has proven quite accurate and reliable said:

"I doubt it was icing. Something, took this aircraft out of its normal envelope pretty quickly... Under normal circumstances, you do not climb 4000ft and lose 100kts of groundspeed, and do so in less than a minute.
The information I got is that from 32000 to 36300 and down again to 24000ft or so took just over a minute."

That's an incredible flux of altitudes. Even just dropping 14,000 feet in a minute is a LOT.

[webfact]

Body Spotted Near AirAsia Rescue Zone: Local Media Citing Pilots
A possible body floating in the search zone of the AirAsia jet that disappeared off the radar screens has been spotted by an Indonesian Air Force pilot.

BALI, December 30 (Sputnik) – An Indonesian Air Force pilot reported Tuesday he has spotted a possible body floating in the search zone of the AirAsia flight QZ8501 that disappeared off the radar screens over the Java Sea.

“I thought it was a person floating in the waves, but once I looked at the photo on my notebook, I noticed that the body had already bloated, so it’s obvious we’re talking about a body,” Lt. Tri Prabowo said.

Full story: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20141230/1016386189.html

-- SPUTNIK News 2014-12-30

[webfact]

MISSING AIRASIA
Debris is 'from AirAsia plane': Indonesian civil aviation chief
Agence France Presse
Jakarta



JAKARTA: -- Debris spotted Tuesday during an aerial search for AirAsia flight QZ8501 is from the missing plane, Indonesia's director general of civil aviation told AFP.

"For the time being it can be confirmed that it’s the AirAsia plane and the transport minister will depart soon to Pangkalan Bun," Djoko Murjatmodjo said.

"Based on the observation by search and rescue personnel, significant things have been found such as a passenger door and cargo door. It’s in the sea, 100 miles (160 kilometres) southwest of Pangkalan Bun," he said, referring to the town in Central Kalimantan, on the island of Borneo.

Indonesian aerial searchers earlier Tuesday spotted items resembling an emergency slide and plane door in the sea as they hunted for traces of the AirAsia plane which disappeared Sunday in a storm over the Java Sea with 162 people on board.

Earlier, Indonesian officials said items resembling an emergency slide, plane door and other objects were spotted during an aerial search Tuesday for missing AirAsia flight 8501.

"We spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph," Indonesian air force official Agus Dwi Putranto told a press conference.

"The position is 10 kilometres (six miles) from the location the plane was last captured by radar," he said.

He displayed 10 photos of objects resembling a plane door, emergency slide, and a square box-like object.

An AFP photographer on the same flight that spotted the debris said he had seen objects in the sea resembling a life raft, life jackets and long orange tubes.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Debris-is-from-AirAsia-plane-Indonesian-civil-avia-30250970.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-30

UPDATE:

40 bodies have been recovered in the search for the missing AirAsia plane:

Video, full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/787996-40-bodies-have-been-recovered-in-the-search-for-the-missing-airasia-plane/

[indothai]

I was hoping the plane made an emergency landing on some remote and forgotten airfield with the everyone just waiting to be rescued.

Until further undeniable evidence.... I think I will cling on to that hope.

[elgordo38]

"Life Vest", is he proper nomenclature of the emergency equipment carried on these aircraft. They are either yellow or orange. If the container is not open and he vest inflated it will sink. Could not make out what theses items are.

I am very familiar with aircraft and their components, it has been my life for over 60 years, military and commercial.

How come there is not one mention of the black box pinging.?

[krisb]

On another forum (if I can mention? if not, mods please delete reference) someone who apparently is actively involved in the investigation and who, in investigations of past incidents, has proven quite accurate and reliable said:

"I doubt it was icing. Something, took this aircraft out of its normal envelope pretty quickly... Under normal circumstances, you do not climb 4000ft and lose 100kts of groundspeed, and do so in less than a minute.

The information I got is that from 32000 to 36300 and down again to 24000ft or so took just over a minute."

That's an incredible flux of altitudes. Even just dropping 14,000 feet in a minute is a LOT.

Engines failed?

[ocejanic]

How come there is not one mention of the black box pinging.?

That's what has been keeping me puzzled all the time.

[ardsong]

for the discovery of the pinging of the black boxes , you will need some equipment that can pickup the signals. don't know whether that is possible from a searching airplane or it need to be ship

[maidee]

CNN did not want to show a picture of the floating dead body

guess some thai news agency will be less reluctant

and as we know, will soon come to a TV post near you, as that is the way it goes

[Seastallion]

If there are life vests and a life raft, it indicates a landing soft enough at least for somebody to have released them.

[webfact]

Search plane spots 'shadow' on seabed believed to be AirAsia jet

JAKARTA (AFP) - An air force plane Tuesday spotted a "shadow" on the seabed believed to be the missing AirAsia jet, Indonesia's National Search and Rescue Agency chief said.

"God blessed us today," Bambang Soelistyo told a press conference.

"At 12:50 the air force Hercules found an object described as a shadow at the bottom of the sea in the form of a plane," he said.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Search-plane-spots-shadow-on-seabed-believed-to-be-30250978.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-30

[Strangebrew]

The sad part is while watching ANC they showed a body possibly a flight attendant, anyway sure it was female with only bra and panties on guess clothes torn off after impact. That should have not been shown as it will impact family members.

[Tywais]

Debris is from missing AirAsia flight QZ8501, Indonesia confirms

Three bodies had already been evacuated from the aircraft, the Indonesian National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) said, shortly after the plane's wreckage was found.

The operation will now concentrate on recovering the passengers, locating the black box and lifting the plane from the sea floor, after which the National Transportation Safety Committee would commence its investigation of the cause of the crash.

The head of search and rescue, Sulistiyo, grimly announced at about 2.45pm local time (6.45pm AEDT) that evidence had been mounting for almost four hours of the location of the downed jet.

SMH

[smedly]

On another forum (if I can mention? if not, mods please delete reference) someone who apparently is actively involved in the investigation and who, in investigations of past incidents, has proven quite accurate and reliable said:

"I doubt it was icing. Something, took this aircraft out of its normal envelope pretty quickly... Under normal circumstances, you do not climb 4000ft and lose 100kts of groundspeed, and do so in less than a minute.

The information I got is that from 32000 to 36300 and down again to 24000ft or so took just over a minute."

That's an incredible flux of altitudes. Even just dropping 14,000 feet in a minute is a LOT.

Engines failed?

autopilot relies completely on what it receives from sensors, the sensors have a double redundancy or triple but at the end of the day if the AP is left to its own devices while receiving input from sensors that are not working correctly then at some point the aircraft is going to get into serious trouble with the AP disengaging requiring immediate intervention by the pilot

Like I said in an earlier post, pilots use the AP to make course/altitude adjustments by simply dialing in new numbers or adjusting existing numbers, waypoints for the route are already dialled in before the aircraft leaves the ground, the effectiveness and reliability of AP control under software developed by programmers may need to be revisited and procedures revised when in heavy weather conditions.

I believe that pilots have become too reliant on automatic flight control systems which they assume will fly the plane under all conditions and eventualities requiring little intervention, I would question that

I remember the crash at an airshow with one of the very first flights of an airbus, the planes software got confused as to what was going on when the plane did a low altitude flyby over the ground, if memory serves me correctly the software flying the plane got confused and didn't know whether the plane was landing or what resulting in a crash into trees beyond the runway, the pilot was unable to intervene in time to avoid the crash or didn't know what to do

Software has it's limitations and once a plane gets into extreme difficulty even a skilled pilot may not be able to correct the problem in time to avoid structural damage and a crash

JMO

[terryp]

very sad news

[JetsetBkk]

Reported now that 6 bodies have been found. Very sad. RIP all passengers and crew.

[webfact]

Indonesia: Bodies found near site where plane disappeared

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — Indonesian officials on Tuesday spotted six bodies from the AirAsia flight that disappeared two days earlier, and recovered three of them, in a painful end to the aviation mystery off the coast of Borneo island.

The bodies were found in Java Sea waters about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from Flight 8501's last communications with air-traffic control. The plane with 162 people on board disappeared Sunday on its way from Surabaya, Indonesia to Singapore after encountering storm clouds.

The three recovered bodies, swollen but intact, were brought to an Indonesian navy ship, National Search and Rescue Director SB Supriyadi told reporters in the nearest town, Pangkalan Bun. The corpses did not have life jackets on.

Images on Indonesian television showed a half-naked bloated body bobbing in the sea. Search and rescue teams were lowered on ropes from a hovering helicopter to retrieve corpses.

As family members of the plane's passengers sat together in a waiting room at the Surabaya airport, they watched the graphic details on television. Many screamed and wailed uncontrollably, breaking down into tears while they squeezed each other. One middle-aged man collapsed and was rushed from the room on a stretcher.

The discovery came after several pieces of red, white and black debris were spotted in the Java Sea near Borneo island.


-- (c) Associated Press 2014-12-30

[Lupatria]

Six bodies were discovered and three have been recovered, says the Indonesian station TVOne, about one hour ago. RIP.

[smedly]

looks like this plane may have made a soft landing in the sea as opposed to a crash as the body shown in the news feed is intact, it might transpire that a lot of these passengers drowned - just thinking out loud and very very sad indeed

[Bocking]

It's difficult to call this discovery anything but 'Bad News', but given the unresolved mystery of MH370, well, I can't find the words but I think you know what I mean. RIP