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Bill set to outlaw torture and abduction
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- Expected to take effect after public hearing soon if approved by Cabinet

AN IMPORTANT bill against torture and abduction - allegedly condoned by some state officials when dealing with criminals - will go into effect soon after passing a public hearing this month.

Thailand became a signatory in 2007 to a United Nations convention that designates torture and abduction, either by criminals on victims or by police on dangerous outlaws, as crimes against |humanity. It also became a signatory in 2012 to the International Convention for the Protection of |All Persons from Enforced Disappearance.

The National Legislative Assembly (NLA) discussed the bill on December 22.

Thailand's Criminal Code regards torture merely as an assault and abduction as a restraint of one's freedom, while imposing no lengthy imprisonment on those who kill their hostages after kidnapping them.

Many missing-person cases in Thailand are related to political or national security issues, and police suspected of involvement in high-profile abduct-and-kill cases serve short prison terms or even remain in the service.

A committee under the Rights and Liberties Protection Department will push forward the efforts to the Justice Ministry, and a public hearing is possible on January 12 - a date scheduled already, the department head Narat Sawetanan said recently.

If approved, the draft will be forwarded to the Cabinet for approval, the Council of State for legal review and the NLA for enactment. Narat did not specify a timeframe for this to be completed.

Various human-rights groups have held discussions that came up with proposals and new conditions to the Justice Ministry's version of the bill, which resulted from ideas that were debated by activists and victims of abuse.

Remove political influence

They also said special committees to be set up under the bill be made up of professional, independent people - not department officials - so they are not influenced by politicians and senior officials.

Suggested amendments to the draft bill include a clause on intimidation of relatives of hostages or missing people by police or state officials. Victims are mostly activists, minority groups or people without Thai nationality, and people living in areas where special policies are in effect, including those in the deep South where an insurgency is active.

Police or state officials are often reluctant to hear or take complaints against colleagues from relatives of victims and hostages. Immediate investigations into such accusations are rare and slow, and complainants are not protected or can be subject to intimidation. These acts must be penalised immediately and effectively in the bill, they said.

Those convicted for torture, intimidation, kidnapping or abduction and murder are not eligible for pardon in any case, even in special situations such as martial law, the groups demanded. Treatment and therapy for torture victims must be provided by experts in the field and psychiatrists.

The bill must provide for compensation and rehabilitation of the victims immediately and sufficiently, participants in the talks said.

People convicted in abduction cases must be penalised with or without the bodies of victims being found, and their relatives' rights to hear all facts about their missing loved ones must be guaranteed and delivered in this bill, they urged.

Protection of relatives, complainants or witnesses in missing-person cases is mandatory either at the department's initiative or upon their request, and protection must be conducted by officials from other agencies that the accused are not assigned to. Participation of relatives in the investigation into abductions needs to be permitted.

Concerned members of the public must be allowed to inspect government detention facilities to help authorities and the department's committees make sure that missing people were not wrongly detained or hidden by their abductors in prisons or detention facilities.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Bill-set-to-outlaw-torture-and-abduction-30251089.html

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-- The Nation 2015-01-02

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"Expected to take effect after public hearing soon if approved by Cabinet"

A law to outlaw torture and abduction needs a public hearing? ... "If" approved by cabinet? I never cease to be amazed living in in LOS.

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Christ just when I think it is safe to go back in the water up crops another beauty, no doubt about it the legislators and crown Law department sure have been in the thick of things, unbelievable as it seems it is a reflection of the amount of baggage Thailand carries. bah.gif

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Thailand's Criminal Code regards torture merely as an assault, and abduction as a restraint of one's freedom, while imposing no lengthy imprisonment on those who kill their hostages after kidnapping them.

Saddest thing is nothing in LOS surprises me anymore.

... police suspected of involvement in high-profile abduct-and-kill cases serve short prison terms, or even remain in the service.

Nope, not even that.

Victims are mostly activists, minority groups or people without Thai nationality ...

Gee, not that either, but ...

Now I understand why a pre-teen Karen girl can be kidnapped, held in a cell for years, and the couple who severely disfigured her by repeatedly, year after year, pouring boiling water over her, can be kicked loose without charges.

It's Thai law.

Whatever happened to that scumbag couple? Are they still in Thailand, or did they flee to another country? I feel that some people's justice is in order for those monsters.

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Having a law on the books and enforcing it are two very different things. As an example, there are laws about the selling of alcohol and then there is the enforcement of these laws. The same people who are responsible for enforcing the alcohol laws will be the same ones responsible for enforcing the anti torture laws. There goes half the tools in the police collection of extracting a confession.

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I enjoy reading what the FNGs that come and say about being so amazed at the disparity with their concepts of law, morality and normalcy compared to their home laws, rules and beliefs. This type of concept mentioned in the article is prevalent throughout all of Asia, even Japan and Korea to a greater of lesser degree. However, having said that, would someone please advise why the USA is referred to as the "Assassination Nation" and it's Pres has a hit list including his own citizens with no oversight at all and has done so for almost 50 years that I know of. And before you get on your high horse I and close friends of mine were involved in such things for our govt years back and I know young men that are involved previously in "renditioning", for which Thailand is now dodging the accusations of maintaining a torture camp for the USA govt and more. I know a Predator driver and he is sick of it and tells some interesting stories about such things and is leaving his job.

Now I am not condoning what is happening nor abduction and torture itself but it should be kept in mind that this is a global and multicultural game that all seem to be playing.

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Having a law on the books and enforcing it are two very different things. As an example, there are laws about the selling of alcohol and then there is the enforcement of these laws. The same people who are responsible for enforcing the alcohol laws will be the same ones responsible for enforcing the anti torture laws. There goes half the tools in the police collection of extracting a confession.

Come on guys..... prostitution is illegal.... abduction, rape and torture....

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"Expected to take effect after public hearing soon if approved by Cabinet"

A law to outlaw torture and abduction needs a public hearing? ... "If" approved by cabinet? I never cease to be amazed living in in LOS.

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One can only imagine how worried they are no more confessions would be forthcoming from Burmese workers, and then the RTP would actually have to arrest Thai homicidal maniacs and stop their killing spree.

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this again

is valid stuff for a travel warning

if you travel to thailand you might be abducted and tortured,

may be killed, because there is no law protecting you

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"Expected to take effect after public hearing soon if approved by Cabinet"

A law to outlaw torture and abduction needs a public hearing? ... "If" approved by cabinet? I never cease to be amazed living in in LOS.

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One can only imagine how worried they are no more confessions would be forthcoming from Burmese workers, and then the RTP would actually have to arrest Thai homicidal maniacs and stop their killing spree.

Agreed...

Talk about taking the 'fun' out of 'dysfunctional'...

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Will this mean that America will not be able to torture people in Thailand? Or will this be none of Thailands business again?

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"Bill set to outlaw torture and abduction"................??????

What, you mean all this time I could have been abducting and torturing people, legally ? Now they tell me.

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"Bill set to outlaw torture and abduction"................??????

What, you mean all this time I could have been abducting and torturing people, legally ? Now they tell me.

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Fear not, the bill probably won't pass.

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they'll probably try to outlaw corruption next..

signed,

baby steps

Bill set to outlaw torture

I hope the bill to outlaw torture incorporates restrictions on the incessant whining by petulant farang on Thai Visa. Surely that continuous barrage must cause irreparable damage to innocent readers and casual passersby.

colic.jpg "The cashier in 7-Eleven didn't smile at me. ALL THAIS hate farang. Bwaaah.

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I enjoy reading what the FNGs that come and say about being so amazed at the disparity with their concepts of law, morality and normalcy compared to their home laws, rules and beliefs. This type of concept mentioned in the article is prevalent throughout all of Asia, even Japan and Korea to a greater of lesser degree. However, having said that, would someone please advise why the USA is referred to as the "Assassination Nation" and it's Pres has a hit list including his own citizens with no oversight at all and has done so for almost 50 years that I know of. And before you get on your high horse I and close friends of mine were involved in such things for our govt years back and I know young men that are involved previously in "renditioning", for which Thailand is now dodging the accusations of maintaining a torture camp for the USA govt and more. I know a Predator driver and he is sick of it and tells some interesting stories about such things and is leaving his job.

Now I am not condoning what is happening nor abduction and torture itself but it should be kept in mind that this is a global and multicultural game that all seem to be playing.

What is 'truth' is truth anywhere on the planet. You bend and twist it all you like, but still it remains Truth. The same applies to 'ethics' and 'morality', and the constant referencing what goes in other countries, predominantly the US, has nothing at all to do with this FACT..

Now get back on the supercilious horse you rode in on coffee1.gif

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they'll probably try to outlaw corruption next..

signed,

baby steps

Bill set to outlaw torture

I hope the bill to outlaw torture incorporates restrictions on the incessant whining by petulant farang on Thai Visa. Surely that continuous barrage must cause irreparable damage to innocent readers and casual passersby.

colic.jpg "The cashier in 7-Eleven didn't smile at me. ALL THAIS hate farang. Bwaaah.

The cashier in our local 7-11 in the Night Bazaar, CM, didn't smile at me one day so when she gave me my change instead of saying thank you or korb khun krup I said "Korb jai lai lai" and she nearly wet her pants laughing. Try it, it works every time. biggrin.png

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"If approved, the draft will be forwarded to the Cabinet for approval, the Council of State for legal review and the NLA for enactment. Narat did not specify a timeframe for this to be completed."

The Military will need time to write another amnesty provision into the constitution for itself before it allows this bill to become law. With of course, the traditional loophole for "national security and unity."

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In Thailand laws are not enforced. What is the point of having more laws on the statute books which are not to be enforced? How about reforming the police and turning this failed institution into an effective law enforcement agency instead of the parasitic infection that it currently is, collecting tea money off the Thai people?

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In Thailand laws are not enforced. What is the point of having more laws on the statute books which are not to be enforced? How about reforming the police and turning this failed institution into an effective law enforcement agency instead of the parasitic infection that it currently is, collecting tea money off the Thai people?

it would probably help if they actually knew what the laws were, I doubt most BIB would be able to tell you what was and wasnt legal in Thailand as they just dont care. As long as they can get their tea money when needed they simply dont give a sh*t about enforcing any laws, that would require some form of work and that is strictly off limits to them.

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mikemac, on 02 Jan 2015 - 11:48, said:
Suradit69, on 02 Jan 2015 - 11:41, said:
redandyellow, on 02 Jan 2015 - 06:09, said:

they'll probably try to outlaw corruption next..

signed,

baby steps

QuoteBill set to outlaw torture

I hope the bill to outlaw torture incorporates restrictions on the incessant whining by petulant farang on Thai Visa. Surely that continuous barrage must cause irreparable damage to innocent readers and casual passersby.

colic.jpg "The cashier in 7-Eleven didn't smile at me. ALL THAIS hate farang. Bwaaah.

The cashier in our local 7-11 in the Night Bazaar, CM, didn't smile at me one day so when she gave me my change instead of saying thank you or korb khun krup I said "Korb jai lai lai" and she nearly wet her pants laughing. Try it, it works every time. biggrin.png

Could explain"Korb jai lai lai" from one with very limited knowledge of the Thai language befor trying to wet somebodys pants.wai.gif

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"If approved, the draft will be forwarded to the Cabinet for approval, the Council of State for legal review and the NLA for enactment. Narat did not specify a timeframe for this to be completed."

The Military will need time to write another amnesty provision into the constitution for itself before it allows this bill to become law. With of course, the traditional loophole for "national security and unity."

Look at the bright side ricky, you can worry just a little bit less about hearing that knock on the door now. biggrin.png

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Having a law on the books and enforcing it are two very different things. As an example, there are laws about the selling of alcohol and then there is the enforcement of these laws. The same people who are responsible for enforcing the alcohol laws will be the same ones responsible for enforcing the anti torture laws. There goes half the tools in the police collection of extracting a confession.

If you are referring to the times alcohol can be sold in the shops then there actually is no law - it was a request by the Abhisit government I think that sort of went viral and now everyone thinks it is law but actually it isn't. Amazing Thailand.

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