FBI 'foils plot to attack US Capitol'

[Mosha]

Just a few days ago, people here were remarking about how those good guys in France were known and making disparaging remarks about how the were still able to carry out the attacks.

[Showbags]

About time they banned firearms in America...outa control.

David would agree, not a bad bone in his body.

[ukrules]

Another patsy bites the dust.

[Donnie Brasco]

Ah, yes, yet another impotent sucker who would otherwise have done nothing but talk, entrapped by the finest law enforcement agency in the world.

I feel so much safer.

Well done, Federal Bureau of Inveiglement.

The lamest piece of supposition and conjecture I have read in a long time.

Well, there it is finally. No suggestions of tinfoil there yet but I guess somebody had to finally ring in with this poorly considered, knee jerk "psychological assessment" of what 95 % of us have been saying here.

You're late iReason. You're LATE !

Notwithstanding that punctuality detail there's another problem here.

You have neither addressed any of the issues nor addressed any of the concerns of 95% of the people on the board.

That's gonna cost your side.

You guys got away with this for over a decade.

But now ? Well it's gonna cost you tons of credibility

We're joy

Edited January 15, 2015 by Donnie Brasco

[iReason]

Ah, yes, yet another impotent sucker who would otherwise have done nothing but talk, entrapped by the finest law enforcement agency in the world.

I feel so much safer.

Well done, Federal Bureau of Inveiglement.

The lamest piece of supposition and conjecture I have read in a long time.

Well, there it is finally. No suggestions of tinfoil there yet but I guess somebody had to finally ring in with this poorly considered, knee jerk "psychological assessment" of what 95 % of us have been saying here.

You're late iReason. You're LATE !

Notwithstanding that punctuality detail there's another problem here.

You have neither addressed any of the issues nor addressed any of the concerns of 95% of the people on the board.

That's gonna cost your side.

You guys got away with this for over a decade.

But now ? Well it's gonna cost you tons of credibility

We're joy

"You have neither addressed any of the issues nor addressed any of the concerns of 95% of the people on the board."

I couldn't care less about the "issues and concerns" of your dubious claimed.

"That's gonna cost your side."

"You guys got away with this for over a decade."

I have no idea what that paranoid sounding gibberish is about.

[Donnie Brasco]

Ah, yes, yet another impotent sucker who would otherwise have done nothing but talk, entrapped by the finest law enforcement agency in the world.

I feel so much safer.

Well done, Federal Bureau of Inveiglement.

The lamest piece of supposition and conjecture I have read in a long time.

Well, there it is finally. No suggestions of tinfoil there yet but I guess somebody had to finally ring in with this poorly considered, knee jerk "psychological assessment" of what 95 % of us have been saying here.

You're late iReason. You're LATE !

Notwithstanding that punctuality detail there's another problem here.

You have neither addressed any of the issues nor addressed any of the concerns of 95% of the people on the board.

That's gonna cost your side.

You guys got away with this for over a decade.

But now ? Well it's gonna cost you tons of credibility

We're joy

"You have neither addressed any of the issues nor addressed any of the concerns of 95% of the people on the board."

I couldn't care less about the "issues and concerns" of your dubious claimed.

"That's gonna cost your side."

"You guys got away with this for over a decade."

I have no idea what that paranoid sounding gibberish is about.

When the only argument your opponent can come up with is that "he has no idea" to, in other words he can't comprehend or hasn't the background or wherewithal to comment he EITHER has to be yelling the truth OR he's pretending to be too obtuse and I'll-informed to deal with the points you've raised.

Those of this mindset are probably more comfy in an argument about sports or English grammar than a discussion that involves facts and argument.

"I'm too unschooled to get your meaning" is a pathetic plea to others who haven't a clue about the issue under discussion to gather 'round and form a little coven of ignorance.

More and more, these days, people who actually CARE what's going on and who are not fearful of pursuing cogent lines of inquiry ignore the ignorant and the insulting.

They seek the truth that's revealed when all the facts in evidence are assembled.

[Donnie Brasco]

The muslim murders are happening live on TV these days - a big difference (and have been since the 1990's).

They are real. And they are here.

Maybe your onto something here....

Should western media give equal air time/ representation to those killed collaterally damaged to death

in places like Pakistan/Afghanistan etc daily

Will that make it real? Is it unreal now?

Odd you should bring that up, Mudcrab.

I will suggest here that the horrors they face are real.

Being blown to bits has no appeal to them, I suspect.

Even though they "dress funny" and "eat odd food" and of course use "squiggly writing" their anguish and their pain and their sorrow and their FEAR of terror is real.

What a curse it was to have found oil on their lands.

[Donnie Brasco]

Ah, yes, yet another impotent sucker who would otherwise have done nothing but talk, entrapped by the finest law enforcement agency in the world.

I feel so much safer.

Well done, Federal Bureau of Inveiglement.

Spot on.

It's the same old story.

The timing is usually significant as well.

Various players in the military/security industry have at one time or another during periods of prosperity or crisis garnered massive "what if" budgets. Not only do they want to keep getting this "what if" money, even if it means scaring the bejesus out of every man/woman & child in their jurisdictional purview they'd lots more of it.

That's why they scare people with this.

It's a cycle, really, as well as a basic "narc" play.

The useful idiots that get pulled in as perpetrators, terrorists or what have you are just hapless fools looking to establish identity. In the majority of cases without their FBI, CIA, NSA "handlers" these guys couldn't find their @$$e$ with both hands and a flashlight.

Give a local ethnic crim a few bucks, an operating budget, guidance, and some "relief from scrutiny", to get these bozo PATSIES in play and (guess what) . . . . . He eventually WILL, okay ?.

The deed is done. Can be horrific. Can be monstrous. Can be "nipped in the planning stages"

The terrorist bozos are then harvested as fodder for the incredibly consensus prone, simplicity prone, hater prone (cough, cough) media.

The usual band of nitwits takes valuable time off watching "Dancing With the Stars" and "pro poker" to suck up this new improved reality TV.

CNN and Fox wheel in their bombastic, "scarificationist" terrorism experts to put the final nonsense pronouncement onto the whole stinking stew of lies, conjecture and waste.

Who benefits from this kind of dross ?

Well, Funseekers, how 'bout we just follow the money.

Isn't it strange that these would be domestic 'terrorists' never have any friends apart from confidential FBI informants. It really is an extraordinary coincidence!

Another sad lone nutter manipulated and entrapped by the FBI. I suppose it makes it look as if they are doing something to justify their huge budget.

Brilliant point you bring up.

Odd, that.

It's as though they've been isolated.

This is SOOO relevant to the discussion.

I always wonder what the tenor of the FBI "interviews" of friends and acquaintances might be.

("We know where you live ?" . . . . . That sort of thing ?)

[iReason]

Donnie Brasco

More gibberish.

Opponent??

You give yourself too much credit.

You must be real fun at parties.

Another putz who just likes to hear himself talk.

Edited January 15, 2015 by iReason

[iReason]

The muslim murders are happening live on TV these days - a big difference (and have been since the 1990's).

They are real. And they are here.

Maybe your onto something here....

Should western media give equal air time/ representation to those killed collaterally damaged to death

in places like Pakistan/Afghanistan etc daily

Will that make it real? Is it unreal now?

Odd you should bring that up, Mudcrab.

I will suggest here that the horrors they face are real.

Being blown to bits has no appeal to them, I suspect.

Even though they "dress funny" and "eat odd food" and of course use "squiggly writing" their anguish and their pain and their sorrow and their FEAR of terror is real.

What a curse it was to have found oil on their lands.

"Even though they "dress funny" and "eat odd food" and of course use "squiggly writing..."

Wow. Astonishing.

I view you as unhinged.

Edited January 15, 2015 by iReason

[Lissos]

The phrase used by Rahm Emanuel ...'Never Let a Serious Crisis Go to Waste'....comes to mind

All sorts of people exploit loopholes or an achilles heel in order to benefit themselves or further their cause (personal ambition / political cause, etc).

Let's not fool ourselves that only politicians are the ones playing that game.

It is generally only noticed with major things, but how about those who en masse rush to exploit an error on a website in order to buy expensive goods for less than $1?

[Donnie Brasco]

Donnie Brasco

More gibberish.

Opponent??

You give yourself too much credit.

You must be real fun at parties.

Another putz who just likes to hear himself talk.

IReason uses the dismissive approach. This is a tactic common to posters who have NOTHING to contribute to a discussion and are more than willing to admit it. Actually, they are PROUD to admit it.

By his own implication "fun at parties" (wherever he may find them) and averse to informed discussion, people like this are reduced to begging on forums like this. They Hoover around the site like catfish looking for a bit of action.

Then there's this jejune penchant for emoticons and his infantile name-calling.

I suggest that his type of jibber-jabber might be more suited to "Line" or a Tapatalk exchange.

In these formats (popular with the ESL set and the illiterate as well as those with a penchant for ad hominem slights and others whose tweets and blurt-limits confine them to 140 characters) people like the ironically named iReason are able to cleanse the remote corners of their minds of anything resembling original thought.

Shalom

[iReason]

Donnie Brasco

More gibberish.

Opponent??

You give yourself too much credit.

You must be real fun at parties.

Another putz who just likes to hear himself talk.

IReason uses the dismissive approach. This is a tactic common to posters who have NOTHING to contribute to a discussion and are more than willing to admit it. Actually, they are PROUD to admit it.

By his own implication "fun at parties" (wherever he may find them) and averse to informed discussion, people like this are reduced to begging on forums like this. They Hoover around the site like catfish looking for a bit of action.

Then there's this jejune penchant for emoticons and his infantile name-calling.

I suggest that his type of jibber-jabber might be more suited to "Line" or a Tapatalk exchange.

In these formats (popular with the ESL set and the illiterate as well as those with a penchant for ad hominem slights and others whose tweets and blurt-limits confine them to 140 characters) people like the ironically named iReason are able to cleanse the remote corners of their minds of anything resembling original thought.

Shalom

Yawn.

"They Hoover around the site like catfish..."

Hoover is a vacuum cleaner.

Did you mean hover?

BTW, Catfish are bottom feeders.

Not in their nature to "hoover".

P.S. See post #40.

[Donnie Brasco]

Thanks, iReason

(. . . . . By the way, you really don't reason at all. . . . . . you call people names.

But labeling yourself as the polar opposite of what you actually do is the stock in trade where you come from ain't it ;-?.

I see that orange-picking gig in (cough) has blossomed into a bit of a career for ya'

I'll pass on scrolling through your dross, thanks.

Emoticons are your thing. . . . . . the rest of us use the English language, no biggie.

[ukrules]

The PR Machine is on this one, Stratfor are publishing analysis as to why this kind of sting is necessary.

Of course Stratfor are well known to be a government mouthpiece and much more.

[Donnie Brasco]

The PR Machine is on this one, Stratfor are publishing analysis as to why this kind of sting is necessary.

Of course Stratfor are well known to be a government mouthpiece and much more.

Thanks UK

Sure, they'll call this kind of manoeuvre a "sting". As I remember The Sting was a cute little Hollywood Redford-Newman film about con artists.

These "American Hustles" have degenerated into a substitutes for proper police work.

This is even BEFORE we account for all the innocent people who are murdered and entire populations who are mislead into hatred and slaughter because of them.

Yeah. . . . . . Sting.

Just who's getting stung? For what ? By whom? And for whom ? And why ?

Ask these questions to well in the face of well orchestrated media "Blitzers" (who seem to have all the answers just a little too soon) and you'll be labelled a "conspiracy theorist")

Conspiracy theorist . . . . . . Whatever that's supposed to mean.

Oh yeah, "tinfoil" as opposed to "FBIfoil"

[Ulysses G.]

Conspiracy theorist . . . . . . Whatever that's supposed to mean.

Anyone who reads your posts regularly - the ones that are not deleted by the moderators - has a pretty good idea what the term means.

[Choctastic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/fbi-terrorism-stings_n_5606468.html

'The Human Rights Watch report found that all but four high-profile domestic terrorism cases in the past decade were actually FBI stings. In closely examining 27 federal terrorism cases -- including interviewing some of the targets who have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes -- the report finds that the government has gone after “particularly vulnerable” individuals, some with mental disabilities and others who were very poor.'

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-pushed-muslims-plot-terrorist-attacks-rights-report-160325158.html

"...many of these people would never have committed a crime if not for law enforcement encouraging, pressuring and sometimes paying them to commit terrorist acts."

There's so little real terrorism, the FBI have to manufacture it.

[NeverSure]

About time they banned firearms in America...outa control.

Why don't you be the first brave dude who tries to take them? Your mouth won't help you.

And please, please start at my house.

Potential attacks including terrorism is one reason why we have them. That's something the puzzy Europeans are going to have to learn the hard way, and I'll live to see it. Toothless bigmouths are helpless against terrorists.

[Choctastic]

Toothless bigmouths are helpless against terrorists.

Helpless against FBI stings too...

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/only_1_percent_of_terrorists_caught_by_fbi_are_real_partner/

'An undercover informant or agent posing as an Al-Qaeda operative gives them everything they need… gives them the transportation, gives them the money if they need it, and then gives them the bomb and even the idea for the terrorist attack. And then when that person pushes a button to detonate the bomb that they believe will explode—a bomb that was provided to them in whole by the FBI—agents rush in, arrest them and charge them with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and then parade that person out to the public saying, “Look at us. We caught a terrorist. This is us keeping you safe.”

[Ulysses G.]

I agree that many of these want-to-be terrorists are often entrapped, but if they are willing to push the trigger on - what they think is - a bomb that will kill innocent people, screw them.

[Donnie Brasco]

Conspiracy theorist . . . . . . Whatever that's supposed to mean.

Anyone who reads your posts regularly - the ones that are not deleted by the moderators - has a pretty good idea what the term means.

"Conspiracy theorist" is a completely inaccurate term used to smear anyone who insists that ALL the evidence related to a particular topic must be collected in a proper investigation and then assembled and reviewed before ANY perpetrators can be chased down.

As it is practiced these days, only GOVERNMENT conspiracy theories may be accepted. These theories have to fit into the general notion of American Exceptionalism and the vilification of Islam.

Anything else is a "conspiracy theory".

So - a conspiracy theorist would be anyone who absolutely and on the basis of FACT and history REFUSES to chug down the generous helpings of (cough, cough) Koolaid you dole out every time the topic of (cough, cough) comes up.

Regards to Sal Mineo, Ferrante and Tischer (3 Ed Sullivan renditions on the duelling pianos fresh from their "Las Vegas tour", and hack Leon Uris.

You can Dershowitz this thing all you like . . . . . .

I'll stick with real scholars like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestien and Gilad Atzmon and the Orthodox Lubovic Chabad that attended Amedinajhad's Tehran conference.

(And NO, before you haul out your favorite "wipe (cough, cough) off the map" canard, the FACT is that Amedinajad simply opined that when faced with the historical evidence the State of (cough) would gradually wither away and disappear from the map.

Actually, no one really cares. If (cough, cough) start playing nicely with others why wouldn't they be welcome to stay ?

[NeverSure]

Toothless bigmouths are helpless against terrorists.

Helpless against FBI stings too...

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/only_1_percent_of_terrorists_caught_by_fbi_are_real_partner/

'An undercover informant or agent posing as an Al-Qaeda operative gives them everything they need… gives them the transportation, gives them the money if they need it, and then gives them the bomb and even the idea for the terrorist attack. And then when that person pushes a button to detonate the bomb that they believe will explode—a bomb that was provided to them in whole by the FBI—agents rush in, arrest them and charge them with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and then parade that person out to the public saying, “Look at us. We caught a terrorist. This is us keeping you safe.”

Not true in whole. Those stings are illegal unless law enforcement which does them can prove that the perp actually wanted to do it and they just "helped."

They can't just grab some guy off the street and do it to him. If they do it's called "entrapment" and it's illegal.

I have no problem with the police including the FBI using a sting to get the goods on a real threat before he can actually do something terrible. They have to convince a judge that they had what's called "probable cause" to do it. Probable cause means they had proof which they could use to convince a judge that what they did was necessary.

[MisterTee]

Conspiracy theorist . . . . . . Whatever that's supposed to mean.

Anyone who reads your posts regularly - the ones that are not deleted by the moderators - has a pretty good idea what the term means.

Respond to his posts and challenge his contentions.

[Ulysses G.]

Conspiracy theorist . . . . . . Whatever that's supposed to mean.

Anyone who reads your posts regularly - the ones that are not deleted by the moderators - has a pretty good idea what the term means.

Regards to Sal Mineo, Ferrante and Tischer (3 Ed Sullivan renditions on the duelling pianos fresh from their "Las Vegas tour", and hack Leon Uris.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Jai Dee]

There's a lot of flaming and baiting going on in this topic.

Please desist or risk having your posting rights disabled for a while.

[Donnie Brasco]

Toothless bigmouths are helpless against terrorists.

Helpless against FBI stings too...

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/only_1_percent_of_terrorists_caught_by_fbi_are_real_partner/

'An undercover informant or agent posing as an Al-Qaeda operative gives them everything they need… gives them the transportation, gives them the money if they need it, and then gives them the bomb and even the idea for the terrorist attack. And then when that person pushes a button to detonate the bomb that they believe will explode—a bomb that was provided to them in whole by the FBI—agents rush in, arrest them and charge them with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and then parade that person out to the public saying, “Look at us. We caught a terrorist. This is us keeping you safe.”

Yes.

Well sourced and well quoted.

It's no harder to plan than a decently executed bank robbery.

And just because the unmasking of it embarrasses the likes of some people on this board, there is NO reason under the sun to ridicule those who simply want a proper investigation instead of a frantic rush by the usual suspects to confirm all relevant aspects of the official conspiracy theory.

<snip>

/Mod edit: additional baiting deleted. Benefit of doubt applied as you may have been posting when I announced the public warning.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Jai Dee
baiting

[Donnie Brasco]

Toothless bigmouths are helpless against terrorists.

Helpless against FBI stings too...

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/only_1_percent_of_terrorists_caught_by_fbi_are_real_partner/

'An undercover informant or agent posing as an Al-Qaeda operative gives them everything they need… gives them the transportation, gives them the money if they need it, and then gives them the bomb and even the idea for the terrorist attack. And then when that person pushes a button to detonate the bomb that they believe will explode—a bomb that was provided to them in whole by the FBI—agents rush in, arrest them and charge them with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and then parade that person out to the public saying, “Look at us. We caught a terrorist. This is us keeping you safe.”

Not true in whole. Those stings are illegal unless law enforcement which does them can prove that the perp actually wanted to do it and they just "helped."

They can't just grab some guy off the street and do it to him. If they do it's called "entrapment" and it's illegal.

I have no problem with the police including the FBI using a sting to get the goods on a real threat before he can actually do something terrible. They have to convince a judge that they had what's called "probable cause" to do it. Probable cause means they had proof which they could use to convince a judge that what they did was necessary.

The concept of Government and Law Enforcement breaking the law seems to shock you.

You need to get out more, Dude.

In fact there's currently a plethora of just such storytelling in the entertainment media.

Every cop show worth watching seeks to legitimize this same exact methodology and behaviour by putting the cops up against evil perpetrators.

Nice bit of conditioning, that.

[Choctastic]

Not true in whole. Those stings are illegal unless law enforcement which does them can prove that the perp actually wanted to do it and they just "helped."

Have you read the report?... http://web.law.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/microsites/human-rights-institute/files/final_report_-_illusion_of_justice.pdf

Page 45:

'The government appears unconcerned with whether these individuals would have actually had the interest, commitment, and ability to plan terrorist attacks without informants’ aggressive recruitment or cultivation. On the contrary, in some cases where the defendant initially or repeatedly expressed a reluctance to engage in violence generally or even, in a planning stage, to go through with the plot, informants ignored those statements and instead pressed them to stay with the plot.'

[Showbags]

About time they banned firearms in America...outa control.

Why don't you be the first brave dude who tries to take them? Your mouth won't help you.

And please, please start at my house.

Potential attacks including terrorism is one reason why we have them. That's something the puzzy Europeans are going to have to learn the hard way, and I'll live to see it. Toothless bigmouths are helpless against terrorists.

big redneck with lotsa guns alert...