Yingluck skips NLA grilling

[rubl]

To conclude, we still didn't get an explanation why a scheme positioned and defended as 'self-financing lost 700 billion Baht. Neither do we know why all warnings were ignored, allegedly addressed, not relevant, etc., etc.

Ms Yingluck didn't bother to come to answer questions, The NLA as representative of parliament/Senate wants Ms. Yingluck to be present. Seems fair as this is not a court case, but a 'grilling' of a former PM on a terribly gone wrong scheme which lost the State hundreds of billions.

The legal team can answers questions (answers to which Ms. Yingluck would implicitly agree), but Ms. Yingluck is not charged with a court (yet).

Lots of diversions and obfuscation here at TVF, but the fact remains that we the Thai tax payer are stuck with a bill of hundreds of billion Baht through the 'self-financing' scheme defended by some Amply Rich people.

[rixalex]

Another justification for the coup from yingluck herself. As if they needed another one. RIP to the 24 (out of 28 dead) victims of the UDD terrorists by the way.

And to think she promised to attend to defend herself as well. Well she also made a promise in Septmeber, 2013 as well.

September 25, 2013 Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra promised the government was not considering further loans because it would have enough money from selling rice from its stocks to fund the scheme." No one said that on her behalf. She said that.

I remember some had stated so proudly that she did not run overseas to join her brother in exile because she would proudly and resiliently defend herself against these charges with her head held high. Yet when she does not defend herself after promising too she is proud, resilient and has her head held high!

Maybe with this disjointed logic protruding one can be forgiven if the red apologists have others comment on their behalf in case they incriminate themselves as supporters of a woman that has spent 980 billion baht on a scheme that has not helped the farmers or has made them more sustainable. Of course she knows nothing about that. She was only the chairman after all.

Thank God for accountability.

And if anyone thinks yingluck is innocent please, I beg you, let me CEO of your company.

I don't recall anyone saying Yingluck is innocent or that she shouldn't be punished. This is a battle of wits between an illegal junta and someone who has been popular with the people, even if she's a criminal.

The junta is playing its cards and Yingluck is playing hers. Yingluck, by not testifying against herself is following the law. It would be hard to say that it's the junta which is legal and should be the one to prosecute. The junta gets its "rights" by the power of a military coup.

It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

This is a classic battle of wits and so far I think Yingluck is winning. Even if convicted and punished, the general loses because it won't set well with many Thais.

I'm just watching the show.

If Prayuth was in the same boat, do you think he would put up with being hauled over the coals by some mere committee. Never.

Who knows but my guess is it would probably depend on whether or not he had a good case in his defense and some good responses. If he did i imagine he would show up. If not, perhaps he wouldn't. At the end of the day we can only speculate what other people would do. What we do know is what Yingluck has done, and that is to declare that she would show up, and then go back on her word.

To those who argue she has every right to stay away because it's a "sham", if Yingluck's legal team believed that they should have stayed away from the get-go. It's obvious that they haven't stayed away because they are hoping they'll be able to do some sort of a deal in which she gets off lightly or completely. If they manage it, all will be accepted and you'll hear no more of this "sham" talk. If they don't, expect a lot more of this nauseous "it's so unfair / they are such bullies" moaning and boo hooing.

[rickirs]

"A successful impeachment needs three-fifths of the 250-strong assembly to vote in favour when they meet next Friday."

Shouldn't be so difficult with 52% being military officers and 100% selected and appointed by the junta that overthrew the Yingluck government. What will be more interesting is if Yingluck will be permitted by the Junta to appeal to the Constitutional Court as to the constitutionality of the NLA impeachment decision. The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment.

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"A successful impeachment needs three-fifths of the 250-strong assembly to vote in favour when they meet next Friday."

Shouldn't be so difficult with 52% being military officers and 100% selected and appointed by the junta that overthrew the Yingluck government. What will be more interesting is if Yingluck will be permitted by the Junta to appeal to the Constitutional Court as to the constitutionality of the NLA impeachment decision. The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment.

"The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment."

Don't agree at all, IMHO it will be very straight forward based on fact, no need at all for any convolution.

[xeon]

"A successful impeachment needs three-fifths of the 250-strong assembly to vote in favour when they meet next Friday."

Shouldn't be so difficult with 52% being military officers and 100% selected and appointed by the junta that overthrew the Yingluck government. What will be more interesting is if Yingluck will be permitted by the Junta to appeal to the Constitutional Court as to the constitutionality of the NLA impeachment decision. The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment.

Yeah, a real "convoluted rationale"...like....she's guilty.

Edited January 17, 2015 by xeon

[rubl]

"A successful impeachment needs three-fifths of the 250-strong assembly to vote in favour when they meet next Friday."

Shouldn't be so difficult with 52% being military officers and 100% selected and appointed by the junta that overthrew the Yingluck government. What will be more interesting is if Yingluck will be permitted by the Junta to appeal to the Constitutional Court as to the constitutionality of the NLA impeachment decision. The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment.

Well, with Ms. Yingluck still not having offered clear answers as to why her 'self-financing' RPPs was allowed to lose 700 billion Baht, impeachment seems the very least. Now the difficult question whether Ms. Yingluck should be charged with 'negligence', 'intent to deceive', 'intent to deceive and defraud', 'criminal negligence' or 'criminal intent to deceive or defraud'.

Of course for those from 'real' democratic countries all this must seem like peanuts, as in their own democracy there is no problem at all with a PM losing US$25 billion or Euro 17 billion on a positioned and defended 'self-financing' scheme. That's democracy.

[candide]

"A successful impeachment needs three-fifths of the 250-strong assembly to vote in favour when they meet next Friday."

Shouldn't be so difficult with 52% being military officers and 100% selected and appointed by the junta that overthrew the Yingluck government. What will be more interesting is if Yingluck will be permitted by the Junta to appeal to the Constitutional Court as to the constitutionality of the NLA impeachment decision. The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment.

Can the Junta refuse an appeal to the Constitutional court?

[JAG]

They can do what they like. That's why they are called a Junta. Were not allowed to call them anything else.

[The Deerhunter]

Does it stand that to defy parliament is to break the law?

It all depends on who your preferred choice of Thai government is. There are probably several here today/tonight whose preferred government would be PTP and preferred PM would be TS or the gorgeous-heroic Yingluck. Right now they would be singing the exact song you just selected from the Karaoke list. "What makes this (choose 4 demeaning adjectives) coup government think they can order OUR YL around like this?" However, if the shoe was on the other foot they would be singing the "she who must be obeyed" song. (when really it's her big brother/'father figure who is calling the shots by Skype from wherever. (But they do like to live in a fantasy world where she was a competent PM & CEO of Thailand, don't they?.)

[The Deerhunter]

Kentucky State University has a program of residential study for international students that focuses upon the development of English Language skills and exposure to American culture. KSU particularly seeks students from East Asia (China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan)

Their website used to say "an exposure to American curriculum",. Now it says "An exposure to American culture". Apparently just reading the course catalog was too trying for some.

http://kysu.edu/administration-governance/student-affairs/leadership-team/the-office-of-enrollment-services/admissions/international-students/

Strange but this is what I found about the same university, and it can't be confusion as I came there clicking on the link in Yinglucks wikipedia profile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_State_University

Kentucky State University was chartered in May 1886 as the State Normal School for Colored Persons, only the second state-supported institution of higher learning in Kentucky.[1

In the early 1930s, the high school was discontinued, and in 1938 the school was named the Kentucky State College for Negroes.^[1] The term "for Negroes" was dropped in 1952. Kentucky State College became a university in 1972, and in 1973 the first graduate students enrolled in its School of Public Affairs.

Demographics

Kentucky State University is host to 2,370 undergraduate students and 163 graduate students. African Americans comprise 49% of the undergraduate and 44% of the graduate student body.

Notable alumniYingluck Shinawatra 1991 The 28th and first female Prime Minister of Thailand

So, in a nutshell, she got her degree at a "positive discrimination" high School cum college, cum State college, cum university, and is she the one they are most proud of as being a past pupil/graduate.??? Is that what you are saying?

[Siripon]

Although I am not farang I feel sorry for all the boys like binjalin ( is he related to the terrorist?) who feel forced to support the Thaksin clan.

Quite rightly they sympathize with the average Thai person who cannot fight against the money and influence of those with power and money.

But can't they see the Shinawatra family is a prime example of the influence of money and patronage?

Please .....Mango Bob, the son of bin laden,and other lost souls.... support good people, not super rich airhead clones forced to take a post by a meglomaniac.

Everything good takes time to develop- human values, democracy, awareness of the good and bad aspects of development and technology,now we need good people to take us forward, those from the grass roots who love their communities and are also educated.

Not rich ignorant families.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Siripon

[TheClog]

Rather than attempting to apportion blame for the government policy, wouldn't the NLA time be better spent in looking how to mitigate any over spends, by say reducing the Military budget year on year?

As other demcratic governments do?

[tbthailand]

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I don't recall anyone saying Yingluck is innocent or that she shouldn't be punished. This is a battle of wits between an illegal junta and someone who has been popular with the people, even if she's a criminal.

The junta is playing its cards and Yingluck is playing hers. Yingluck, by not testifying against herself is following the law. It would be hard to say that it's the junta which is legal and should be the one to prosecute. The junta gets its "rights" by the power of a military coup.

It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

This is a classic battle of wits and so far I think Yingluck is winning. Even if convicted and punished, the general loses because it won't set well with many Thais.

I'm just watching the show.

"...the general loses because it won't set well with many Thais."

Just your opinion, many others see the opposite picture.

what "opposite picture"? this is the TRUTH

an unelected military junta is making up rules as it goes and victimizing Thailand's last elected PM what is untruthful about this? how can you possibly support it?

"many others" being who? the electorate? there isn't any and they have made sure that no one has the right to speak out or protest - you support this? wow... just wow

Would that be the last elected PM that was removed from office for acting illegally. One whose brother ran the government and made up his rules as he went along?

She is a proven liar who disregarded the rules whenever it suited whilst nominally in office, failed to prevent or punish murder and attacks against her opponents and still lies making promises and vowing things she has no intention of doing.

Do you really believe she stayed up late arguing with her legal team who finally persuaded her not to testify - wow just wow!

The "truth" - a meaningless word that describes something occasionally inconvenient is how the Shins view the truth.

she was removed from office for making a transfer. Just normal stuff, not "acting illegally".

as for the rest of the post, please feel free to expound the same sentiments about Abhisit and Suthep and their various evasions of court dates and inquiries, much less lying or failing to not order prevent attacks against their opponents.

Jeeezuh

[rubl]

Rather than attempting to apportion blame for the government policy, wouldn't the NLA time be better spent in looking how to mitigate any over spends, by say reducing the Military budget year on year?

As other demcratic governments do?

Democratic Governments don't position and defend 'self-financing' schemes and lose US$25 billion on them. Then there's nothing to mitigate.

[rubl]

she was removed from office for making a transfer. Just normal stuff, not "acting illegally".

as for the rest of the post, please feel free to expound the same sentiments about Abhisit and Suthep and their various evasions of court dates and inquiries, much less lying or failing to not order prevent attacks against their opponents.

Jeeezuh

Ah, so being removed from office is normal ?

Anyway, Ms. Yingluck still needs to answers some questions, related to the RPPS. We will not bother her with the nightly attacks with gunfire and grenades which happened against the anti-government protesters.

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They can do what they like. That's why they are called a Junta. Were not allowed to call them anything else.

Wow.... another of your construction posts with insightful logic and constructive discussion.

[tbthailand]

she was removed from office for making a transfer. Just normal stuff, not "acting illegally".

as for the rest of the post, please feel free to expound the same sentiments about Abhisit and Suthep and their various evasions of court dates and inquiries, much less lying or failing to not order prevent attacks against their opponents.

Jeeezuh

Ah, so being removed from office is normal ?

Anyway, Ms. Yingluck still needs to answers some questions, related to the RPPS. We will not bother her with the nightly attacks with gunfire and grenades which happened against the anti-government protesters.

no, being removed from office in this case was the result of Thailand's anti-democratic elite pulling the levers they wrote into the 2007 constitution.

Apparently plan A was a judicial coup a la 2008 and plan B was a military intervention a la 2006.

This NACC persecution should remind people of the AEC and 2006-2008

It's not like these people aren't rather transparent and fairly repetitive in their methods.

[tbthailand]

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They can do what they like. That's why they are called a Junta. Were not allowed to call them anything else.

Wow.... another of your construction posts with insightful logic and constructive discussion.

according to the rules of the forum, JAG is being accurate.

[candide]

she was removed from office for making a transfer. Just normal stuff, not "acting illegally".

as for the rest of the post, please feel free to expound the same sentiments about Abhisit and Suthep and their various evasions of court dates and inquiries, much less lying or failing to not order prevent attacks against their opponents.

Jeeezuh

Ah, so being removed from office is normal ?

Anyway, Ms. Yingluck still needs to answers some questions, related to the RPPS. We will not bother her with the nightly attacks with gunfire and grenades which happened against the anti-government protesters.

no, being removed from office in this case was the result of Thailand's anti-democratic elite pulling the levers they wrote into the 2007 constitution.

Apparently plan A was a judicial coup a la 2008 and plan B was a military intervention a la 2006.

This NACC persecution should remind people of the AEC and 2006-2008

It's not like these people aren't rather transparent and fairly repetitive in their methods.

Obviously some patterns of repetition can be observed....

http://perspectivesinternationales.com/?p=1131

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They can do what they like. That's why they are called a Junta. Were not allowed to call them anything else.

Wow.... another of your construction posts with insightful logic and constructive discussion.

according to the rules of the forum, JAG is being accurate.

And slippery.

[Gunna]

Rather than attempting to apportion blame for the government policy, wouldn't the NLA time be better spent in looking how to mitigate any over spends, by say reducing the Military budget year on year?

As other demcratic governments do?

NLA has never said they are democratic, just doing what they think is good for Thailand, not for themselves.

Reducing Military budgets - more BS

" 2014 will be the first year that global defence budgets will grow overall since 2009, according to the IHS Jane’s Annual Defence Budgets Review from IHS Inc,. (NYSE: IHS), the leading global source of information and analytics. Total global defence spending in 2014 will be USD1.547 trillion up from USD 1.538 trillion in 2013 - 0.6% increase in real terms. The findings will be presented to clients via a webinar on Thursday 13th February.

“We have seen substantial increases in defence spending from countries like Russia, China, India, Saudi Arabia, and Oman over the past two years,” said Paul Burton, Director, IHS Jane’s Aerospace, Defence & Security. “With military budgets among many of the major NATO nations due to continue to contract over the next 12 months, the centre of gravity of defence expenditure is expected to continue to shift south and east in 2014, following the trend of global economic expansion. Russia, Asia and the Middle East will provide the impetus behind the growth in global military spending expected this year and will drive the recovery projected from 2016 onwards,” Burton continued.

[rubl]

she was removed from office for making a transfer. Just normal stuff, not "acting illegally".

as for the rest of the post, please feel free to expound the same sentiments about Abhisit and Suthep and their various evasions of court dates and inquiries, much less lying or failing to not order prevent attacks against their opponents.

Jeeezuh

Ah, so being removed from office is normal ?

Anyway, Ms. Yingluck still needs to answers some questions, related to the RPPS. We will not bother her with the nightly attacks with gunfire and grenades which happened against the anti-government protesters.

no, being removed from office in this case was the result of Thailand's anti-democratic elite pulling the levers they wrote into the 2007 constitution.

Apparently plan A was a judicial coup a la 2008 and plan B was a military intervention a la 2006.

This NACC persecution should remind people of the AEC and 2006-2008

It's not like these people aren't rather transparent and fairly repetitive in their methods.

'persecution'?

We're still waiting for answers on the 'self-financing' RPPS which cost the country 700 billion Baht. A certain lack of transparency you might say. While in office we only got conflicting news from the Yingluck Government.

BTW Ms. Yingluck was removed from office because of a 'conflict of interest' which involved her 'brother-in-law', a general who needed a job. That has nothing to do with the 2007 Constitution or even the 1997 version.

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"A successful impeachment needs three-fifths of the 250-strong assembly to vote in favour when they meet next Friday."

Shouldn't be so difficult with 52% being military officers and 100% selected and appointed by the junta that overthrew the Yingluck government. What will be more interesting is if Yingluck will be permitted by the Junta to appeal to the Constitutional Court as to the constitutionality of the NLA impeachment decision. The interest will not be whether the Court will sustain the NLA decision (it will), but what convoluted rationale the Court will use to justify upholding the impeachment.

Do you have any other points, something constructive?

[Wombat6]

I'm sure the committee is upset she didn't show up so they could ask trick questions they had already planned for. Screw the committee they have already made up their minds in the case. It's just to get their picture in the news. The whole process is illegal anyway.

Illegal ???? Please provide details.....