AleG Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 "Democracy has died in Thailand today, along with the rule of law. Wrong, democracy died the first time the PTP cabinet accepted Skype calls from a fugitive crook. Democracy died when a government minister, a relative, illegally issued a passport to the fugitive crook. To hear this woman talk about the rule of law makes me want to vomit. That is corruption too, Yingluck/Thaksin/PTP defenders act as if their corruption was limited to the garden variety backhanders seen in every other country, it was systemic corruption, undermining the very foundations of democratic governance. The coup didn't kill democracy any more than gravity makes a plane crash, the crash happens because something on the plane was not working as it should had been, either by malice, incompetence or fortuitous causes. If they mess with the systems, start pulling off pieces, putting incompetent people in control, neglecting maintenance and ignoring warnings they can't claim innocence for the outcome. Just as a plane staying up in the air is not a natural state of things, Democracy is not a natural state of things for Human society, it takes work, commitment and constant care, or else it also comes crashing down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What did she ever do for Democracy? She was elected by a great majority of the people. What part of that do you and your "likes" not understand? So did Putin, does that make him a champion of Democracy too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VINCENT2012 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 andand to that government who put finaly away fron the thai politic an even more antidemocratic person. but i hope she tuch jail for a while and that they will take also all the money that she took or manage to get illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What on earth makes you think that freedom of speech is a basic right..... Growing up in my free country where the Constitution guarantees everyone freedom of speech without regard for "earning it." We were born with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Democracy is a word, and the concept of democracy that is generally practiced throughout the West and exported to the developing world is a illusion, a sham. About the only true democracy that can be found in the world resides in Switzerland. Representative democracies are simply tools that are manipulated by the "deepest pockets" and are used to control the population and resources. "Democracy" in Thailand is a trigger word. It's batted around like a shuttlecock on a badminton court, and the word alone is being use simply to manipulate a segment of a rather uninformed and ignorant populace. A means to an end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdecas Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) As reportedly said by 'a foreign businessman' to a Hong Kong-based online journal today: ".. how does the National Legislative Assembly impeach a prime minister who has been forced out of office under the provisions of a constitution that has been abrogated? Can a prime minister be impeached for a failed policy? What precedents does this set?” All part of the rich tapestry of Thainess. Edited January 24, 2015 by asdecas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiamaster Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Democracy is dead everywhere.... The only system that works in "times of trouble" (global recession) is benevolent dictatorship or meritocracy. In Thailand we currently have a mix of the two - a bunch of experts in their field backed by the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondKing Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 She will emerge as the true heroine in all of this eventually. Shame on those unelected 'appointees' and shame on some TVF 'pundits' for supporting a military junta and be careful what you wish for The only thing I wish for is better days for this country we live in. For 7 years now I've been hearing and witnessing social unrest, killings, corruption disrespect for any law, disrespect for the Thai citizens. For the past 6 months tranquility and enforcement of the law is taking place. You, Sir, better take the blinkers you are wearing off and Thank the current government for what they are achieving. Rhetorics is a cheap way to express yourself. OMG, REALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Like her or hate her, she was ELECTED by the people. A few possible replies to that - She was party list candidate, people couldn't elect her as in vote for her - allegedly people voted for Thaksin rather than his sister. Are you seriously suggesting that all those who voted PT, after a campaign in which Yingluck played such a prominent part, did so unaware that a vote for PT also endorsed Yinglucks candidature for PM?You surpass yourself. Rumour has it that people voted for Thaksin and having a nice girl thrown in was just a bonus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 What did she ever do for Democracy? She was elected by a great majority of the people. What part of that do you and your "likes" not understand? Her (brothers) party got 43% of votes cast, so where does that leave the majority? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed1948 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I for one [amongst many] am glad she has been impeached. I look forward to the day her clan has to repay Thai citizens what they have stolen since 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercool Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 post using racial slur rremoved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) As reportedly said by 'a foreign businessman' to a Hong Kong-based online journal today: ".. how does the National Legislative Assembly impeach a prime minister who has been forced out of office under the provisions of a constitution that has been abrogated? Can a prime minister be impeached for a failed policy? What precedents does this set?” All part of the rich tapestry of Thainess. Absolutely! What's next, even business people being accountable for failed business plans ? Even Ponzi schemes are outlawed. How's an honest person to make money? Edited January 24, 2015 by rubl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 'Democracy has died in Thailand today': Thai ex-PM Yingluck that was actually May 22... NCPO tells Yingluck not to hold press conference and basic rights like freedom of speech went with it. Democracy was never the goal of the criminal fugitive that runs the Shin family's political vehicle in their interests. Freedom of speech - speak against PTP and get shot, grenades thrown at you, attacked, shit thrown at your house, blood thrown at your house or your property machine gunned and bombed. Not mention copious defamation suits and persecution by Tarit and Chalerm those bastions of law enforcement. How quaint that some still equate the Shins with real democracy and freedom of speech. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What on earth makes you think that freedom of speech is a basic right..... Growing up in my free country where the Constitution guarantees everyone freedom of speech without regard for "earning it." We were born with it. Not sure what country you were born in, but I doubt that 'lying' is considered acceptable under the constitution or one of the later amendments. 'hate speech' is a no-no is lots of countries these days. Even speculating on a 'blog' about taking a gun to school may get you imprisoned. Black is black and white is white, but there's an awful lot of grey in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) duplicate post, blanked on purpose Edited January 24, 2015 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What did she ever do for Democracy? She was elected by a great majority of the people. What part of that do you and your "likes" not understand? Her (brothers) party got 43% of votes cast, so where does that leave the majority? Amazing that the Shin fans still keep that one up - pretending time and time again that PTP were elected by a big majority. Even thought they know it's a lie. It's like pretending she's innocent. Say it enough and someone will believe you eventually. Guess for Shin fans there is no reality - only the world according to Dear Leader. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artisi Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 What did she ever do for Democracy?She was elected by a great majority of the people.What part of that do you and your "likes" not understand? Her (brothers) party got 43% of votes cast, so where does that leave the majority? You shouldn't confuse those who really believe they won by a majority of votes cast - it's not fair on their little closed minds who not only believe in the fairies but also believe that being elected gives you the right to rape, pillage, lie, and do what ever you like in your own self interests. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What on earth makes you think that freedom of speech is a basic right..... Growing up in my free country where the Constitution guarantees everyone freedom of speech without regard for "earning it." We were born with it. Freedom of speech should be guaranteed to everyone. Many fine people have given their lives trying to protect that principle among other freedoms. Sadly most governments seem to be putting restrictions on that now. You can have freedom of speech as long as that is PC speech. Once you start to impose censorship then you've lost the freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harada Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 'Democracy has died in Thailand today': Thai ex-PM Yingluck that was actually May 22... NCPO tells Yingluck not to hold press conference and basic rights like freedom of speech went with it. Democracy was never the goal of the criminal fugitive that runs the Shin family's political vehicle in their interests. Freedom of speech - speak against PTP and get shot, grenades thrown at you, attacked, shit thrown at your house, blood thrown at your house or your property machine gunned and bombed. Not mention copious defamation suits and persecution by Tarit and Chalerm those bastions of law enforcement. How quaint that some still equate the Shins with real democracy and freedom of speech. Where is Chalerm I miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) wow. so many who have benefited from growing up and living in democracies now getting right behind a military junta. Is that what old age does to a lot of people ? sadOld age tends to give many a better insight into the real world. I, like many come from a democratic (with all its faults) and have a very clear understanding as to how a democracy should operate which is not from vote buying, being run by a convicted fugitive criminal, being headed up by a bimbo placed there by the same criminal, corrupt schemes to buy votes and ensuring your family and friends can benefit by ripping off the system and causing massive damage to the countries economy, manipulating the rules and laws of the country for your own benefits etc.Your comment just shows that you need to age a little more and gain some understanding of life as it is. And yet, irrespective of our respective ages, is not a democracy, however flawed it may be preferable to a military junta, installed by a coup, with all its trappings of martial law, censorship, denial of freedoms and an appointed legislative assembly "representing parliament"?If you refute this basic point, you're argueing that the Thais should not have the fundamental right to choose their own government. It really is as simple as that. Yes, there is currently a junta in charge of the country who are enforcing some tough rules, but are they any more restrictive than what was enforced by thug rule of the Thaksin / YL previous government where if you spoke out you were likely to be shot / bombed etc in what they labelled democracy because we got elected and we can and do what ever we want. The junta won't be here for ever but in the mean time the tough restrictions will, hopefully pay off in the long term. Edited January 24, 2015 by Artisi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Whatever your and my opinion of Yingluck and PTP, they were legally and properly elected by the vast majority of Thai people. Whether votes were "bought" with promises or not is irrelevant. All parties in all countries make such promises at election time. Was PTP's removal from government legal at the time? Was the current government voted in by a majority of Thai people? Many posters berate Yingluck and her government, how many of these posters are Thai people with the right to decide who governs them? The fact that Yingluck was properly elected is indisputable. Not being Thai I do not have a personal opinion. Yingluck dissolved parliament following the mass protests, including by many who voted for PTP, against the blanket whitewash amnesty bill that was being somewhat sheepishly forced through parliament and whose main beneficiary would have been her criminal fugitive brother. The same brother who was Skyping into cabinet meetings and really running the country, selecting ministers etc. Yingluck was then caretaker PM/DM until she was removed for an illegal act and nepotism. The Thai people elected PTP and have the right to protest and to remove politicians who act illegally or try to remove the checks and balances and refuse to be accountable or abide by the law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jackson86 Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just my objective point of view 1. Whether Yingluck is guilty of the the rice scheme is one thing, but the hard truth is that she is still the democratically elected PM of Thailand and any impeachment must follow the constitution which in this case is not since she is now impeached as a ex-PM and thus have nothing to defend her charge. 2. Thai junta's victory over Yingluck has proven Thai democracy one giant step backwards as Thai people fails to achieve a legal representation of their interests in a convincing way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinmaew Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Democracy and the rule of law? They have never existed in Thailand in the first place what is kitty going on about just stamping her feet she knows full well that she will spend no time in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zob65 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yes democracy may have died for a short time, but it got the noses out of the trough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 'Democracy has died in Thailand today': Thai ex-PM Yingluck that was actually May 22... NCPO tells Yingluck not to hold press conference and basic rights like freedom of speech went with it. Democracy was never the goal of the criminal fugitive that runs the Shin family's political vehicle in their interests. Freedom of speech - speak against PTP and get shot, grenades thrown at you, attacked, shit thrown at your house, blood thrown at your house or your property machine gunned and bombed. Not mention copious defamation suits and persecution by Tarit and Chalerm those bastions of law enforcement. How quaint that some still equate the Shins with real democracy and freedom of speech. It's like promoting Bernard Madoff as a sound investment opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just my objective point of view 1. Whether Yingluck is guilty of the the rice scheme is one thing, but the hard truth is that she is still the democratically elected PM of Thailand and any impeachment must follow the constitution which in this case is not since she is now impeached as a ex-PM and thus have nothing to defend her charge. 2. Thai junta's victory over Yingluck has proven Thai democracy one giant step backwards as Thai people fails to achieve a legal representation of their interests in a convincing way. Your comments do not seem objective. Strictly speaking we have here a victory for 'rule of law' with a former PM who always stated to be in charge held responsible and will be taken to account for her 'criminal negligence'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just my objective point of view Thai junta's victory over Yingluck has proven Thai democracy one giant step backwards as Thai people fails to achieve a legal representation of their interests in a convincing way. It is your subjective point of view as it is your opinion. My subjective point of view is that Thai people failed to achieve a legal representation of their interests in a convincing way with the 2011 election, given 1/3 of the registered voters didn't even bother to show up and the Phuea Thai party got less than half of those that did show up. The junta had nothing to do with that. One of the things the new political system will try to achieve is to get more people interested in elections at the grass root level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 If you don't realise that the rice scheme was manufactured and managed to fail and impeach Yingluck by the ammart and conceived long ago in order to crush any opposition to the military/yellow rule . . well, you are dafter than Suthep and Prayuth together Wow........ and all life on earth is manipulated by the aliens living on Jupiter. Shielded from our prying eyes into space by their superior technology. Or are you still sitting in the bar somewhere coming up with these theories because you have nothing better to do? no not from Jupiter but it is EXACTLY what has happened and if you fail to grasp it I wonder if you are really from the same planet as humanity as even my 12 year old Thai niece 'get's it' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just my objective point of view Thai junta's victory over Yingluck has proven Thai democracy one giant step backwards as Thai people fails to achieve a legal representation of their interests in a convincing way. It is your subjective point of view as it is your opinion. My subjective point of view is that Thai people failed to achieve a legal representation of their interests in a convincing way with the 2011 election, given 1/3 of the registered voters didn't even bother to show up and the Phuea Thai party got less than half of those that did show up. The junta had nothing to do with that. One of the things the new political system will try to achieve is to get more people interested in elections at the grass root level. yes it will be "you can vote for any of the candidates in your constituency as long as they are yellow" and THAT is what is going to happen (eventually). The ammart will put in laws and a constitution which blocks dissent and protest and ensures only there 'on message' stooges get elected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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