nithisa78 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 These poles are meaningless save for their manipulation factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis7 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 They played games in many countries, didnty they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunchbob Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 And most Thais are correct. Clearly, this kind of self serving, destructive manipulation has reached its zenith. It cannot be hidden or obfuscated by deceptive rhetoric anymore. The question now is will it finally end or will it destroy us? Closer relationships with brics and the continental neighbors only makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulc01 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Nobody...the Thai military government or the Thai people understand that the US is taking sides --- the SIDE of the THAI people. All the US wants to see is a Democratically elected government by the people and for the people. It is really that simple. Everything else said leads directly back to this. For instance, is keeping martial law in place for too long, not good...most likely yes, because it delays getting back to a Democratically elected government and the longer martial law lasts the easier it is to keep it in place. Everything Russel said was about seeing Democracy come back to Thailand and for the people to have a say in how they are governed. Because the US knows better than Thai people do about what is best for them? Thanks for the post, Bwana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The Junta is just looking for an outside threat to boost nationalism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijb Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Nobody...the Thai military government or the Thai people understand that the US is taking sides --- the SIDE of the THAI people. All the US wants to see is a Democratically elected government by the people and for the people. It is really that simple. Everything else said leads directly back to this. For instance, is keeping martial law in place for too long, not good...most likely yes, because it delays getting back to a Democratically elected government and the longer martial law lasts the easier it is to keep it in place. Everything Russel said was about seeing Democracy come back to Thailand and for the people to have a say in how they are governed. Because the US knows better than Thai people do about what is best for them? Thanks for the post, Bwana. Of course, the Thai people know what's better for them. But, they don't get to vote for what they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 It was okay for Gen. Prayuth to keep repeating for months that the USA understood the reason for the coup and the Junta's continued control of the nation. Now when the USA actually announces its position that does contradicts the Junta storyline, the USA becomes bias and disruptive. Has Prayuth begun to believe in his own propoganda as the truth, regardless of the certainty that it is not the truth? If so his behavior reflects at best a bipolar psychosis and at worse something more irreversible. Very dangerous with someone who controls both the armed forces and the government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longway Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Instead of taking sides in Thailand the US should just stick to fcking up the ME, if the USA every decides to give you an 'opportunity for freedom' be very worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The title of the article is wrong... the US is not taking sides it is the incoherent obama and his Administration are taking these actions... Thais should not worry about what the US thinks in terms of what the American people think... obama makes friends with the Muslim Brotherhood and is upset when the Egyptians throw them out. Then obama funds a bunch of radicals in Syria who are in actuality anti-American... obama has not a clue about foreign policy ... Thais should communicate with the American people on places like Facebook and find out what Americans really think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetotravel Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The title of the article is wrong... the US is not taking sides it is the incoherent obama and his Administration are taking these actions... Thais should not worry about what the US thinks in terms of what the American people think... obama makes friends with the Muslim Brotherhood and is upset when the Egyptians throw them out. Then obama funds a bunch of radicals in Syria who are in actuality anti-American... obama has not a clue about foreign policy ... Thais should communicate with the American people on places like Facebook and find out what Americans really think... No need for Facebook. The American people have strong feelings about freedom. Speech, elections, etc. Same feelings as the current administration has. You may not like Obama, and many don't, but he's far from clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkup Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Who cares, next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) The title of the article is wrong... the US is not taking sides it is the incoherent obama and his Administration are taking these actions... Thais should not worry about what the US thinks in terms of what the American people think... obama makes friends with the Muslim Brotherhood and is upset when the Egyptians throw them out. Then obama funds a bunch of radicals in Syria who are in actuality anti-American... obama has not a clue about foreign policy ... Thais should communicate with the American people on places like Facebook and find out what Americans really think... No need for Facebook. The American people have strong feelings about freedom. Speech, elections, etc. Same feelings as the current administration has. You may not like Obama, and many don't, but he's far from clueless. Your opinion - everybody has one.... obama's foreign policy track record is a train wreck... Check the major news media around the world and see what they think about obama's foreign policy or lack thereof... My post was to refer to the fact that the American people are not taking issue with Thailand or the Thai people in any respect and the Thai people should be aware of that fact. The title of the Thread is about the U.S. taking sides in Thai politics which would imply the Thai people think the American government is interfering with the current Military Government since that is the current issue at hand... Perhaps you read the title of the thread differently than me. I saw nothing that referred to Pre Junta politics Edited February 1, 2015 by JDGRUEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Goodness...it must be a slow news week...I can not believe how much negative energy is being expended in something this trivial... Let's get back to news about foreigner's suicides...muggings, knifings, shootings, purse snatching, gold necklace grabbing, drugging, and excessively over charging for everything... This is Thailand... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennw Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 By the people for the people are you crazy? Get elected by the people by buying their votes and then reap the benefits for yourself. Create as many absurb projects as possible so that you can cream off a %. How did Mr big in Dubai get so rich so quickly? Hope the current government are able to reset things for the benefit of all Thai's, they deserve it.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Most Thais don't understand that a military junta is an abomination and as such is automatically placed last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetmike Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Everyone keeps harping on the US wanting a democratically elected government. I am sure that Salvadore Allende would love to hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Of course the US is taking sides. They support democracy and Yingluck was the democratically elected PM, for better or worse. The US doesn't like coups. Nor do the pretty much the rest of the Western countries.Although the US has backed many coups,and works behind the scenes to distablise countries ,that do not follow their line of thinking.think C.I.A. Diplomats are supposed to be neutral, and not express there views openly, what they say in private is different regards worgeordie I agree that the U.S. has backed and/or instigated coups too often with results that came back to bite us on the butt. I will have to disagree with the idea that the EU and the U.S., etc, cannot voice their opinion about a military coup or encouragement of a return to democracy. I would denounce U.S. active interference but I cannot support the Chinese view that there can be no opinion about the South China Sea, Hong Kong, human rights, etc. and I respect that China, Thailand or others (lord knows there are too many to mention) have a right and, in fact, a moral duty, to question or denounce U.S. Policy they disagree with.... You understand, I mentioned China as the current position seems to be inline with Chinese government thinking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Everyone keeps harping on the US wanting a democratically elected government. I am sure that Salvadore Allende would love to hear that. Guilty as charged and certainly not proud of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godders Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Most of them couldn't find the US on a map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Of course the USA is taking a side. The side of democracy and freedom of the press. It does not really matter how corrupt a government or how effective as long as it is "democratically elected" and does not go against the foreign policy of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Why the fixation with the USA? The poll should have been taken in regard to the EU position which has been tougher than that of the USA's. The EU imposed sanctions, and has been very consistent in its position. The Americans can be criticized for continuing with the Cobra Gold exercise and for not imposing trade sanctions as it typically does when other countries have coups. I just don't get it. The USA offers a relatively mild position that allows the Thais a lot of wiggle room, and the Thai administration goes ballistic. The Europeans have a tougher position and the same Thai administration is oblivious. This administration certainly is a puzzle of emotions, and insecurities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The headline says they "believe," the sub headline on the survey says they "do not believe." What gives with the Thai press' incompetence at writing headlines and subs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Some how I think that the Thai people A. don't give a hoot what the US dose, B. most of the Thai people knows nothing much about the REAL politics other that what they being fed by main stream media, and C. dose it really matter what the Thai people think when it comes to international politics? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresWaldo Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Was this pole taken throughout the country or just in the local area of the powers that be....? Where are you? Of course the polls are taken from groups that will produce the desired results. Can you say, "Information control"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh2121 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Of course the US is taking sides. They support democracy and Yingluck was the democratically elected PM, for better or worse. The US doesn't like coups. Nor do the pretty much the rest of the Western countries. Although the US has backed many coups,and works behind the scenes to distablise countries , that do not follow their line of thinking.think C.I.A. Diplomats are supposed to be neutral, and not express there views openly, what they say in private is different regards worgeordie And that is the reason he did NOT say it was the opinion of USA. What he said was that SOME COUNTRIES might think....... Even though we all know what he meant, he did not actually say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetotravel Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The title of the article is wrong... the US is not taking sides it is the incoherent obama and his Administration are taking these actions... Thais should not worry about what the US thinks in terms of what the American people think... obama makes friends with the Muslim Brotherhood and is upset when the Egyptians throw them out. Then obama funds a bunch of radicals in Syria who are in actuality anti-American... obama has not a clue about foreign policy ... Thais should communicate with the American people on places like Facebook and find out what Americans really think... No need for Facebook. The American people have strong feelings about freedom. Speech, elections, etc. Same feelings as the current administration has. You may not like Obama, and many don't, but he's far from clueless. Your opinion - everybody has one.... obama's foreign policy track record is a train wreck... Check the major news media around the world and see what they think about obama's foreign policy or lack thereof... My post was to refer to the fact that the American people are not taking issue with Thailand or the Thai people in any respect and the Thai people should be aware of that fact. The title of the Thread is about the U.S. taking sides in Thai politics which would imply the Thai people think the American government is interfering with the current Military Government since that is the current issue at hand... Perhaps you read the title of the thread differently than me. I saw nothing that referred to Pre Junta politics Agree with you that Obama's foreign policy is a mess. But, I doubt this is front page news in any city in America. Too much going on for this to make the headlines other than a quick spot here and there. I'm sure the same would be true for EU countries also. Lots going on internationally (and locally) and all news items are vying for a spot on the front page (or a mention anywhere). The administration IS the face of the US internationally. Same is true with any government. Many times a majority of the people don't agree with their government's policies. Your country is no different. But what can you do? Only wait for the next elections and try to bring in a new government. I read the short article and understand it. The US is NOT siding with a particular political party. What they've been saying is a democratically elected PM was removed from office inappropriately (pre-junta). Which is true. They are asking for martial law to be ended and elections to happen sooner rather than later. May the most popular party win. I think a majority of the population here wants elections sooner rather than later. But yes, that's just my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Most Thais have no idea what is going on in the US not to mention what side they take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsider Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 A sample size of only 1,250, and 62.24% of that is 'most Thais'... Amazing indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidee Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 maybe the general is one of THEM politicians or hi-so's with a USA passport & birth certificate and getting all the benefits but denying any farang to own even a rai of land in his own name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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