Accused Norwegian pedophile arrested in Pattaya

[balo]

According to Norwegian newspapers he is back home and in prison awaiting a trial . Will probably get 5-6 years.

[GoNavy]

I remember when living in Europe seeing pornography being sold on the street newstands. I saw in clear cellophane tape photos of what appeared to be underage girls and boys. Those that were unwrapped were published in Denmark or some other Scandinavian country. When the United States became more aware this business was driven underground due to political and social pressure. To be truthful, we all know of conversations among 'men' drooling over some young girl. When I say young, I mean pubescent, not pre or young. One needs to google the definitions of those terms to get age numbers. Sex is cultural and that applies to South East Asia. The west has taken this issue along with Christian groups coming into the countries raising heck about it.

I took a trip to Cambodia in 2007 and on my return back to the airport I was personally offered a 'young girl' before my departure. I was astonished that they would assume that I would be interested. This was my paid driver and guide who had been with me for 5 days taking me around Siem Reap. The normalcy of offering that to me i just wondered. Or could it have been a trap. I have no way of knowing.

Of course 'most' of us are against children having sex with adults. My question is what is your definition? A 17yr. old with a 19yr. old. A 12yr. old with a 19yr. old. A 12 with a 14? Many of us in our ancestral history have members who were 15 or 16 when marrying an 18 or 19yr. old. My own father was almost 30 with my mother being 18 and she was the chaser.

Yes, I know this man is 70. And folks would cringe at a 70yr. old with a 18 yr. old today. But lets be fair. How many times do you walk the streets of Pattaya and see a man appearing to be a grandfather holding hands with a young Thai woman. Some with a toddler or pre-pubescent child in tow? I have. I would bet some on this blog are some of those men.

So, before I get on my 'high-horse' on these issues I want to know the specifics. This topic has been taken and run with like a bad rumor as witchcraft, heresy, and adultery was in the past and even in some places now.

[deucelow]

GoNavy with the disturbing attempted defence of the indefensible.

You argue where the line begins and ends, the rest of us recoil in disgust.

I like the way the body of your argument is about specifics. {" A 17yr. old with a 19yr. old. A 12yr. old with a 19yr. old. A 12 with a 14? "}. And then the summing up is vague and obfuscates. {"...a man appearing to be a grandfather holding hands with a young Thai woman"}

A twenty one year old is "young". But they're also an adult. A fifteen year old is also young but they're not an adult. They're a child.

But don't worry, keep trying to blur the lines and obfuscate and defend the indefensible. The rest of us know right from wrong and judge accordingly.

[GoNavy]

GoNavy with the disturbing attempted defence of the indefensible.

You argue where the line begins and ends, the rest of us recoil in disgust.

I like the way the body of your argument is about specifics. {" A 17yr. old with a 19yr. old. A 12yr. old with a 19yr. old. A 12 with a 14? "}. And then the summing up is vague and obfuscates. {"...a man appearing to be a grandfather holding hands with a young Thai woman"}

A twenty one year old is "young". But they're also an adult. A fifteen year old is also young but they're not an adult. They're a child.

But don't worry, keep trying to blur the lines and obfuscate and defend the indefensible. The rest of us know right from wrong and judge accordingly.

I appreciate your comment. To attempt being more specific let me say this..............in response to your comment about being vague and obfuscate on the comment on grandfather holding hands with a young Thai women. What I was trying to say is this overall label of 'pedophile' and what that means to different people. The ages I listed are somewhat acceptable because of what is called in the USA the 'Romeo & Juliet' law........meaning those close in age even though one may be below the legal adult age. In the USA there have been prosecutions where the girl is 17 years and 11 months old and the boy is 18 years and 9 months or 19 and 2 months.....etc. The law is written if there is no more then 3 year difference in ages it is acceptable. That is how I understand it.

The one of the grandfather and young Thai women.......well some folks have generation phobia's.........or the phrase now is 'cougars.' for the women. Adults they all are for sure, but large age differences. But, is the 'ilk' factor more or less sex assuming a 60 something man is having sex with a 20 something girl? Is the ilk factor more or less compared with the other ages I presented. That was what I was trying to say.

I am really not trying to obfuscate the obvious. I doubt, other then a pervert, is agreeable to a 12 yr. old having sex with a 20.......on up age of a person. I am not arguing for that. Or trying to make excuses. It was not my goal to argue the merits of this particular case, but the merits of labeling pedophiles within our society. There are variations in the law, I am sure you are aware. Those were my points.

In the United States it has gone irrational in that young men are labeled sex perverts for being caught by police peeing by a tree. Just because it happened in a 'public area' even though it was dark and no one was apparently there. Other then a cop behind a tree. A young man of 19 was playing pool in a bar where only 18 yr. olds are allowed. An attractive woman came to his side, flirted and they had some beers, served by the bartender and agreed to go to his home for some 'whoopie.' He was later arrested because this 'women' turned out to be 16yrs, was in a home for delinquent girls and bragged to her roomie of her night. This young man was reported, was sitting in jail waiting on a trial for statutory rape because of this underaged girl and looking at a life long label as a sex pervert and pedophile. No relation of mine by the way. Just an incident in the town i live in. I feel this to be wrong. That is where I am coming from in a 'general' sense of the word on this pedophile issue.

I was making an attempt to broaden the topic and conversation to more then an old man diddling with a 12 yr. old girl or whatever this was. The article didn't say much but raise folk's 'ick' factor.

[newermonkey]

Should Thailand start asking for police CBR checks to accompany initial retirement visa applications? Wouldn't you want to know who you are allowing to live long term in your country?

I would imagine he has given up on and retired from molesting little girls judging by his age, why not just leave him alown to live out the rest of his life? secondly it would not concern me if he was living in my soi, I think we should live and let live and dont be so neurotic about this kind of person.

BTW what the hek is a CBR check?

Edited February 13, 2015 by newermonkey

[GoNavy]

If you have to ask - then you do not want to know.

You write like a woman. 'If you don't know how I feel then I won't tell you!' IF you want a serious discussion.......then make your point with clarity. If you re-read my reply.............I wasn't asking.....I said I knew.........what is your point that Scandinavia had country wide legal child pornography. That Scandinavians are inherently pedophiles?

[GoNavy]

I rest my case.

Oh, please..........you haven't rested anything. Now, go rest your mind. Geez!