Leaving Thailand for good

[Banzai99]

Old Age and bad planning....................

Simple as that, never met young guy's that are sick of Thailand, unless of course they're broke, (usually the case ).

Never met older Farangs that's are sick of Thailand, unless they're broke. ( which by the time they're moaning, they usually are )

It's not Thailand you hate, it's the mess you made of your life, that's what you hate, and you have to blame something, and of course, you won't blame yourself, so you blame Thailand and Thai people !!

Look in the mirror guys.

Wow such generalizations. You never met a guy who'd rather live in a first world country who wasn't broke? I'd say there's a lot of the opposite. I've read plenty on here who say they can't afford to live in their home country. You said:

"Never met older Farangs that's are sick of Thailand, unless they're broke. ( which by the time they're moaning, they usually are )"

Let me introduce you to one. I get sick of the filth, unsafe food and water, odors, litter, horrible traffic and all that's Thailand after not more than about 3 months and want to get "home." Fortunately I can afford to do what I want to do so I have choices.

After just so long in a third world country I'm more than ready to go home where there's civic pride, no litter, safe food and water, sane drivers and so on. One can have both, you know.

There's nothing fancy in these pictures, but the culture of order and cleanliness and civic pride should be apparent. Notice bottom left of the bottom picture there's a black trash can and others on down the street. There's no litter because people won't tolerate it.

Looks great, with my English accent, I'd have all the widows swooning........................

Really it looks great, I'm a little bit envious, I await your invite.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Banzai99

[dragonfly94]

I think it is boring here. Only places to go are temples and malls, and markets... Naa beua

You forgot the Thai karaokee bars. Can't beat belting out 'Mi Mia Dek' off-key, whilst Thai staff and customers cheer like crazy and the policeman owner keeps topping up your beer glass for free

Can you really sing Pornsak songs? He forgot the world class art galleries and museums, the fabulous parks, concert halls and libraries not to mention the amazing antique shops and markets full of charming old siam wares, er well maybe not.

Edited April 21, 2015 by dragonfly94

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Why do people keep posting pictures of really boring towns?

Obviously, you're forgetting about the Friday night line dancing! And going to church on Sunday morning....

[Banzai99]

NeverSure, i really am impressed, what a beautiful town, great character, I really am envious, I've never been to the states although my very best buddy is from Miami and I could go there anytime.

Looks great, but i'd be bored after 10 minutes, do you think ?

I'm a Pattayaphile, and my friend from Miami is also a Pattayaphile and can't wait to leave the States and hates the very day he has to go back.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Banzai99

[Banzai99]

That looks great, bet you don't have any racial problems, sheriff with a 357, Mayor that has his fingers in the pot and everyone accepts it, it looks great'

BUT

It looks like the kind of town that would invite Lee Van Cleef, Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Hey man, it looks great, and I'd love to go to your hometown for a vacation.

With my British accent and my natural charm, I'd be a big hit with the old ladies.

I'd love to go, my best friend is from Miami, but Iv'e never had any inclination to go there cos he said he hates it, and he lives there, I know US is huge, but my friend hates the US with a passion, but he lives in Miami ....so maybe it's understandable.

Nonsense.

I've lived in greater Miami since the late 70's

Its one of the fastest growing, multi cultural cities on the planet/ surrounded by clean water ways, and zero pollution

Major league teams of every sport, music venues full everywhere, beaches with gorgeous and some ugly and fat women, but by far/ more beautiful and many topless women here on the planet,

And no scammers selling beach chairs and umbrellas spitting in your face if you dont buy from them/ and most importantly

No police protecting rapists and killers

Yeah, he hates Miami

There is a constant breeze once you are near the ocean

[NeverSure]

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NeverSure, i really am impressed, what a beautiful town, great character, I really am envious, I've never been to the states although my very best buddy is from Miami and I could go there anytime.

Looks great, but i'd be bored after 10 minutes, do you think ?

I'm a Pattayaphile, and my friend from Miami is also a Pattayaphile and can't wait to leave the States and hates the very day he has to go back.

America is huge and most of it isn't Chicago or Miami. It has some lifestyle, scenery and climate for everyone except a Pattaya. Sometimes I think the real excuse for Thailand for many people is the women.

That looks great, bet you don't have any racial problems, sheriff with a 357, Mayor that has his fingers in the pot and everyone accepts it, it looks great'

BUT

It looks like the kind of town that would invite Lee Van Cleef, Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach

There would be no problems at all in that town, and there are thousands of towns just like that in a climate of your choice.

[SoiBiker]

Sometimes I think the real excuse for Thailand for many people is the women.

No shit, Sherlock.

[benalibina]

Old Age and bad planning....................

Simple as that, never met young guy's that are sick of Thailand, unless of course they're broke, (usually the case ).

Never met older Farangs that's are sick of Thailand, unless they're broke. ( which by the time they're moaning, they usually are )

It's not Thailand you hate, it's the mess you made of your life, that's what you hate, and you have to blame something, and of course, you won't blame yourself, so you blame Thailand and Thai people !!

Look in the mirror guys.

You say this as well to your friend living in Miami ?

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Amazing, one person says the word Chicago and I now have ads from Chicago on the TV page,

Any wonder why there are so many troll posts?

[Banzai99]

Al Capone

[Banzai99]

I think it is boring here. Only places to go are temples and malls, and markets... Naa beua

You forgot the Thai karaokee bars. Can't beat belting out 'Mi Mia Dek' off-key, whilst Thai staff and customers cheer like crazy and the policeman owner keeps topping up your beer glass for free

What do you mean, the policeman owner ?

Are you a Policeman?

Are you Thai, If not why on earth would you join the biggest mafia in Thailand, why would you help them when you know they rip people off, why would you help them ?

Why ?

Edited April 21, 2015 by Banzai99

[Banzai99]

I can guess

[fey]

Sometimes I think the real excuse for Thailand for many people is the women.

No shit, Sherlock.

can you see me as a man? a man whose always getting off and masturbating. a man is getting off no matter what hes doing or where he lives.

he could be enjoying a fine wine, fondling a fat cigar or even working out. hes always getting off. he can even get laid for free.

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Not so unusual for cops to moonlight as bartenders and bouncers

In the US, its big business and cops beg for those gigs

[Mr Somtam]

I can guess

What the fick are you talking about???

[MrWorldwide]

Jesus, fey - I was going to quote your last post but I realised that I would need to take a shower immediately afterward. You really need to break out of whatever basement they're holding you in.

[SoiBiker]

That was a bit creepy, wasn't it?

[HeijoshinCool]

[lostoday]

Old Age and bad planning....................

Simple as that, never met young guy's that are sick of Thailand, unless of course they're broke, (usually the case ).

Never met older Farangs that's are sick of Thailand, unless they're broke. ( which by the time they're moaning, they usually are )

It's not Thailand you hate, it's the mess you made of your life, that's what you hate, and you have to blame something, and of course, you won't blame yourself, so you blame Thailand and Thai people !!

Look in the mirror guys.

Wow such generalizations. You never met a guy who'd rather live in a first world country who wasn't broke? I'd say there's a lot of the opposite. I've read plenty on here who say they can't afford to live in their home country. You said:

"Never met older Farangs that's are sick of Thailand, unless they're broke. ( which by the time they're moaning, they usually are )"

Let me introduce you to one. I get sick of the filth, unsafe food and water, odors, litter, horrible traffic and all that's Thailand after not more than about 3 months and want to get "home." Fortunately I can afford to do what I want to do so I have choices.

After just so long in a third world country I'm more than ready to go home where there's civic pride, no litter, safe food and water, sane drivers and so on. One can have both, you know.

There's nothing fancy in these pictures, but the culture of order and cleanliness and civic pride should be apparent. Notice bottom left of the bottom picture there's a black trash can and others on down the street. There's no litter because people won't tolerate it.

The photos are from Williamson County. Williamson County is ranked 18th on the list of America’s wealthiest counties. I checked the real estate there and you can get a nice 4 bdr home for 27 million baht.

For better prices you might want to read, "18 Cities Whose Suburbs Are Rapidly Turning Into Slums."

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-suburbs-that-are-turning-into-slums-2010-7?IR=T

Below is a nice photo of Portland Oregon.

Edited April 22, 2015 by lostoday

[NanLaew]

I assume the OP has buggered off by now. Has anyone else in the last 39 pages left yet? I mean REALLY left?

The ones that aren't here already don't count BTW.

As for the ones that have never been here...

[HeijoshinCool]

Of course we count. Claiming otherwise is antithetical to the OP.

[NeverSure]

The photos are from Williamson County. Williamson County is ranked 18th on the list of America’s wealthiest counties. I checked the real estate there and you can get a nice 4 bdr home for 27 million baht.

For better prices you might want to read, "18 Cities Whose Suburbs Are Rapidly Turning Into Slums."

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-suburbs-that-are-turning-into-slums-2010-7?IR=T

Below is a nice photo of Portland Oregon.

You're trying too hard. Your picture is of a small area off Burnside in Portland, Oregon where that type of people hang out. Every major city has its skid row.

Below is a real pic of downtown Portland, and after that a picture of a suburban town called Gresham, Oregon, and below that another called Hillsboro, Oregon.

There are thousands of nice towns in the country.

[NeverSure]

Below is a nice photo of Portland Oregon.

Now I'm putting you on my ignore list. If I wanted to put up with someone who just wants to fight, I'd get married.

Cheers

[lostoday]

Below is a nice photo of Portland Oregon.

Now I'm putting you on my ignore list. If I wanted to put up with someone who just wants to fight, I'd get married.

Cheers

I know that you being an American have a highly developed sense of fair play. So lets look at what you said about Thailand before you accuse me of wanting to start a fight, shall we?

Now what did you say about Thailand that I responded to? You wrote, " I get sick of the filth, unsafe food and water, odors, litter, horrible traffic and all that's Thailand after not more than about 3 months and want to get "home." Neversure, that's a lie for the great majority of people who live in Thailand. It's just not true of most of Thailand and you should not have said it.

Then you wrote, " I'm more than ready to go home where there's civic pride, no litter, safe food and water, sane drivers and so on. There's nothing fancy in these pictures, but the culture of order and cleanliness and civic pride should be apparent." And you posted photos of a town that is in the 18th wealthiest county in the USA without saying that 80% of the USA is poorer than the photos you posted. That's a porky by omission. A four bedroom in your home in your nothing fancy place costs 27 million.

I did not try and start a fight like you did. I simply posted a rebuttal.

I can afford to live a good life in Thailand and have my cake and eat it too so I can understand you jealousy at having to live where you do. But please in the future exercise that great American virtue fair play and don't be the pot calling the kettle black.

I lived in the West for 40 years and I left because Thailand is better for me. I lived in Portland and it is too wet and cold and cloudy (222 days) for me and it's rated as America's unhappiest city.

Portland, Ore. Overall rank: 1*

Depression rank: 1

Suicide rank: 12

Crime (property and violent) rank: 24

Divorce rate rank: 4

Cloudy days: 222

Unemployment rate (December 2008): 7.8%

http://www.bloomberg.com/ss/09/02/0226_miserable_cities/2.htm

Why would you come to a Thai centric web site and continually try and tell people how great the USA is and how bad Thailand is?

I don't go to a USA web site and tell people how bad the USA is and how great Thailand is.

No one has ever forced you to come to Thailand. Why not just stay home and mind your own knitting and leave Thailand to the expats who can handle it?

Edited April 22, 2015 by lostoday

[spidermike007]

Lasted seven years, came back last fall.

Cost of living is cheaper here,

Huh????

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Please don't edit my posts. Forum rules require you quote them in their entirety.

You know, this particular misperception is an ongoing argument on TV. And it is usually made by people with mediocre job histories, and/or a miserable existence in their homeland, making retiring to Asia and "enjoying" forty baht meals out, 150 baht massages, and 1000 baht "girlfriends," a good deal.

All the foods I like are available here at no up charge. In Thailand they carry a 300% up charge---even before Villa or Foodland grab their own take.

On Friday, I bought a very nice Chilean Malbec, on sale, for $4.19. That's 125 baht. IN LOS, the same wine was close to 700 baht. I bought an excellent cheese on special, thick smoked bacon for a dollar a pound, and a steelhead trout filet for $4 (fresh, not farmed). That's far less than what I paid at Villa.

My gym does not require a membership, and so has no pesky salesman. It has a flat rate of $15 per month. I, like all members, have a key, making it available 24/7.

When I use UPS or FedEx here, they are reliable and reasonable. Nothing gets stolen, or nailed for extra fees.

When I pay a serviceman here to do work on my vehicle, or my lawnmower, or my plumbing or electric, it is almost always done expeditiously, safely and right, the first time. This, as opposed to going through a series of workers who not only don't get it right, but often make a problem worse.

In LOS, I never had my '65 Honda motorbike running correctly, because the mechanics were incompetent or dishonest. Or both. This increases a tradesman's "bargain" rates considerably, making them no longer a bargain.

One time when I went to pick up my bike after some work, I noticed the original Honda seat was replaced by junk, and my seat was on the bike of the mechanic's buddy. When I pointed this out, they did this: . When I insisted they put it back on my bike, they became confrontational. I had to pay a cop to get my seat back. I don't think I have never had that experience at a Honda bike shop in the USA.

I bought a new gas BBQ last week at Home Depot. Regular cost was $99. On sale for $69. What's a gas BBQ in Thailand? I know the answer: about 10,000 baht for junk. The price goes up from there. The dumbbells I bought in LOS? One there cost as much as six here.

If I buy something at most stores here, there is a no-questions-asked return policy. I have returned to the local Smith's Supermarket, a number of items I found unsatisfactory. Always a smile when handing back my money. As such, I am a loyal customer. In November after returning to the States, I was checking out some groceries, and the bill was fifty-some dollars. I jokingly asked the checker if he had any coupons. He reached in his apron pocket, and swiped one across the scanner, and my bill dropped to $32. This is now a regular occurrence.

Gas where I live is almost half the price it is in Thailand. It is lower in other states.

In Thailand used vehicles carry a ridiculous price. Last week, I bought a '66 Chevy Bel Air. It had sat in an old lady's garage for years, and has 38,000 original miles. I paid $3700 for it. Now I have my eye on a '65, fully restored Chev pickup. $7000. Far less than a used pickup in average condition in Thailand. Both are investments that will never lose me money.

The Asian market I shop in Salt Lake City, actually has lower prices than back at Rhek Thum's "fresh market." And they are the same brands.

Here the tennis courts are free, and in good condition.

Here, cops don't stop me when I'm driving legally, unlike Thailand where they attempt to extort money. And here, Avis doesn't even think of extorting me for a pre-existing scratch, when I return a rental to the airport, just because I speak English.

My dentist here does not try to drill out non-existent cavities, nor pull a cracked tooth that can be repaired (if you have good training), nor spends a mere 15 minutes "cleaning" my teeth. Here it takes a solid hour,and is done right, so I only have to go twice a year rather than every couple of months.

This summer I'm out to buy a piece of land and build a vacation home. It's mine when I'm done, though my wife's name will also be on it. And where we are building, land is cheaper per acre than the rubber tree land where I lived in Rhek Thum. Don't believe me? Do your due diligence and research it, and you'll find my claim holds water.

Most of the nutritional products I take that keep me free of those expensive American doctor bills, are not available in Thailand. The few that are, are substantially lower in price here than in LOS. After feeling like crap the past few years, I am once again healthy and have my vitality back. That has great economic value.

The firearms I buy to go hunting and target shooting are at the very least, 1/3 the price they are in Thailand. The books I read are cheaper when new at the store, and a once-read paperback bought at a garage sale is 10 baht.

The tools I will use to build my house, Makita, Ryobi, and Milwaukee, are much less expensive here in the States. And if they break, the warranty work is done locally and in days. Usually they just hand over a new tool. The building material selection is far more diverse here, enabling both short-term and long-term savings.

Are there exceptions? Are there things cheaper in LOS?

Sure. Instant water heaters, air conditioners, unhygienic meals out, short-time"girlfriends," and massages. There are others, such as contact lenses, but as a whole do not measure up to a genuine savings.

Many items may be cheaper, but are built so cheaply they have a crap service life. Water pumps, clothing, and electrical items are a good example. Speaking of clothing, I bought new Levis last month. On sale, plus a coupon, $22 a pair. Good luck with that in LOS.

Want to retire to a warm climate that has reasonable prices? Try Port Charlotte, Florida. Check out the land and housing prices, and all the free services and discounts for seniors. Thailand does not even come close.

Quite a post. The reality is, if it is not working for you, time to move on. I have lived in Florida. It is an experience I hope I never have to repeat. But, you make some good points and present some compelling arguments, especially when it comes to pride in a job well done, craftsmanship, and good customer service. Relatively absent qualities in the LOS.

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Sweet Jesus,

I've been to Port Charlotte and Venice,

Won't be going there again on purpose,

I never saw such a dead place,

Stay on the east coast of Florida

I met a girl in Juno Beach, her rent is $8oo a month for s 2/bedroom duolezy, parking for 10,/ 2 blocks from the ocean with a nature preserve in her back yardz and plenty of restaurant and bars and beautiful girls in Jupiter, the next town

[lostoday]

Sweet Jesus,

I've been to Port Charlotte and Venice,

Won't be going there again on purpose,

I never saw such a dead place,

Stay on the east coast of Florida

I met a girl in Juno Beach, her rent is $8oo a month for s 2/bedroom duolezy, parking for 10,/ 2 blocks from the ocean with a nature preserve in her back yardz and plenty of restaurant and bars and beautiful girls in Jupiter, the next town

The old folks in the USA live in St Petersburg (God's little waiting room), their parents live in Venice and Port Charlotte.

[thehelmsman]

Hows about a new forum "Foreigners who leave Thailand, go back to the USA and spend every waking moment posting about why they hate Thailand sooo much and why the USA is so much better" OK OK The title needs some work but you get the idea. Whad you think??

[lostoday]

Hows about a new forum "Foreigners who leave Thailand, go back to the USA and spend every waking moment posting about why they hate Thailand sooo much and why the USA is so much better" OK OK The title needs some work but you get the idea. Whad you think??

There is a way to get ,Quid Pro Quo. A site called Stripperweb is the major dancing site for ladies working in bars in America, UK and Australia. In addition to finding out all of real prices for entertainment you can also post of the forum how the guys are paying 1000% more than the same would be available in Thailand.

The guys from the USA get downright hostile when confronted with reality and economics in Thailand.

The Americans are spending are spending as much as I do for a whole month in a couple of hours in a good night club.

Anyone who wants to see what America really costs, check it out. Of course a one room studio drinking grocery store beer by yourself is considerably less and you do have more time to post on Thai Visa. How lucky we are for that........