Australians on death row file lawsuit against Indonesian President Joko Widodo

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Australians on death row file lawsuit against President Joko Widodo



JAKARTA: -- Lawyers representing two Australians on death row - Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran - on Monday filed a lawsuit against Indonesian President Joko Widodo for denying them clemency, The Jakarta Globe reported.

The lawsuit was submitted with the State Administrative Court, or PTUN. The legal team hoped the move would buy them more time with the Attorney General’s Office.

The lawyers have been asked to see the head of the Jakarta PTUN on Feb 24.

The lawsuit challenges Joko’s decision to issue two decrees, on Dec 30 last year and on Jan 17 this year, denying clemency for Sukumaran, 33, and Chan, 31, respectively despite arguments that the pair, who have been in prison in Bali since 2005, have reformed.

Todung Mulya Lubis, one of the lawyers, said Chan and Sukumaran had shown significant and positive changes throughout the 10 years they had spent in Denpasar’s Kerobokan Penitentiary. The pair are regarded as model inmates and hold regular classes to teach other inmates new skills.

Todung also questioned the plan to move Chan and Sukumaran from Kerobokan to the Nusakambangan island prison off Central Java — where five of the last six condemned inmates were gunned down on Jan. 18 — which was announced to the media but not to the convicts’ lawyers or families.

He said the lawyers had asked the attorney general not to move or execute them, pending the ongoing legal process.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/australians-death-row-file-lawsuit-president-joko-widodo

-- Thai PBS 2015-02-17

[khwaibah]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

[z42]

Not that some of the "dead from the neck up' posters will agree but I hope this president is forced to change his barbaric stance.

These boys should be allowed to continue doing their good works and attempting to set other prisoners who will be set free on a better path. They are regarded as model inmates by many, this should take precedence 10 years after the initial crime was committed.

To show just how ridiculous the decision to execute is, just look at this miscarriage of justice handled by indonesian courts last year. Indonesia's red bull heir equivalent http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/ahmad-dhanis-son-walks-free-horror-car-crash/

The 13 year old driver killed 6 and was not punished at all. I certainly know who is more deserving of a bullet given the circumstances

[neverdie]

No doubt this move will ensure the boys die painfully as the initial bullets are almost guaranteed to miss the mark now.

I wonder how many people would of died if the heroin the Bali 9 was carrying if it made it to the streets of Australia.

[NeverSure]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Do we know that the lawyers aren't Indonesian?

[MrWorldwide]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Do we know that the lawyers aren't Indonesian?

Based on this, I'm guessing at least one of them is -

Todung Mulya Lubis, one of the lawyers,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todung_Mulya_Lubis

[neverdie]

Convicted drug couriers sue president ...... 55555 priceless. Bet he's shaking in his boots.

[MrWorldwide]

Not that some of the "dead from the neck up' posters will agree but I hope this president is forced to change his barbaric stance.

These boys should be allowed to continue doing their good works and attempting to set other prisoners who will be set free on a better path. They are regarded as model inmates by many, this should take precedence 10 years after the initial crime was committed.

To show just how ridiculous the decision to execute is, just look at this miscarriage of justice handled by indonesian courts last year. Indonesia's red bull heir equivalent http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/ahmad-dhanis-son-walks-free-horror-car-crash/

The 13 year old driver killed 6 and was not punished at all. I certainly know who is more deserving of a bullet given the circumstances

You're confusing natural justice with the justice system : right vs wrong isnt the same as guilty vs not guilty, although the Red Bull heir wont have to worry about any of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Suharto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhya-skips-court-in-death-by-dangerous-driving-case-8795262.html

(That business trip to Singapore would seem to be an indefinite engagement - hope the poor kid has access to decent Thai food. Must be hell for him. )

[Prbkk]

Not that some of the "dead from the neck up' posters will agree but I hope this president is forced to change his barbaric stance.

These boys should be allowed to continue doing their good works and attempting to set other prisoners who will be set free on a better path. They are regarded as model inmates by many, this should take precedence 10 years after the initial crime was committed.

To show just how ridiculous the decision to execute is, just look at this miscarriage of justice handled by indonesian courts last year. Indonesia's red bull heir equivalent http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/ahmad-dhanis-son-walks-free-horror-car-crash/

The 13 year old driver killed 6 and was not punished at all. I certainly know who is more deserving of a bullet given the circumstances

You're confusing natural justice with the justice system : right vs wrong isnt the same as guilty vs not guilty, although the Red Bull heir wont have to worry about any of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Suharto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhya-skips-court-in-death-by-dangerous-driving-case-8795262.html

(That business trip to Singapore would seem to be an indefinite engagement - hope the poor kid has access to decent Thai food. Must be hell for him. )

Being a human rights lawyer in Indonesia is not a healthy profession...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munir_Said_Thalib

[Seastallion]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Who's interfering?

" Todung Mulya Lubis, one of the lawyers, ". I think he may be Indonesian. Even if the other lawyer is "foreign", he's representing the prisoners, not Australia. It's a domestic case.

[Asiantravel]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Who's interfering?

" Todung Mulya Lubis, one of the lawyers, ". I think he may be Indonesian. Even if the other lawyer is "foreign", he's representing the prisoners, not Australia. It's a domestic case.

It is interfering to the extent that in the Republic of Indonesia granting clemency by the President is a prerogative right that cannot be obstructed or challenged by anybody.

[Prbkk]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Do you mean the Bali Nine and others? Yes, they would have been interfering because drug smuggling is a protected activity in Indonesia, reserved for the military.

[kaobang]

that president before elections was looking so cool wearing t-shirts of Megadeth..Sepoltura....what a dyk

[rgs2001uk]

Convicted drug couriers sue president ...... 55555 priceless. Bet he's shaking in his boots.

Tell them to leave a forwarding address for the cheques to be sent to.

Bogans, Hell should do.

[Baerboxer]

Not that some of the "dead from the neck up' posters will agree but I hope this president is forced to change his barbaric stance.

These boys should be allowed to continue doing their good works and attempting to set other prisoners who will be set free on a better path. They are regarded as model inmates by many, this should take precedence 10 years after the initial crime was committed.

To show just how ridiculous the decision to execute is, just look at this miscarriage of justice handled by indonesian courts last year. Indonesia's red bull heir equivalent http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/ahmad-dhanis-son-walks-free-horror-car-crash/

The 13 year old driver killed 6 and was not punished at all. I certainly know who is more deserving of a bullet given the circumstances

You're confusing natural justice with the justice system : right vs wrong isnt the same as guilty vs not guilty, although the Red Bull heir wont have to worry about any of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Suharto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhya-skips-court-in-death-by-dangerous-driving-case-8795262.html

(That business trip to Singapore would seem to be an indefinite engagement - hope the poor kid has access to decent Thai food. Must be hell for him. )

Being a human rights lawyer in Indonesia is not a healthy profession...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munir_Said_Thalib

Human Rights ?

They were tried, found guilty and sentenced in accordance with the law in Indonesia.

They are not claiming the trial was flawed, or appealing the verdict, only debating the sentence. Indonesia makes no secret of having a death penalty on the books for drug smuggling, and using it.

They have the right to ask for clemency, which they have. The President of Indonesia has the right to grant clemency or deny it. He has made his decision.

On what legal basis are their lawyers filing a lawsuit - the condemned don't like the decision?

Whether you, I or anyone supports or disagrees with capital punishment is not relevant. Indonesia has the death penalty, as do others. Drug smugglers choose to accept the risks for profit.

[bridge2bridge]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Who's interfering?

" Todung Mulya Lubis, one of the lawyers, ". I think he may be Indonesian. Even if the other lawyer is "foreign", he's representing the prisoners, not Australia. It's a domestic case.

I think he is talking about the AUSSIE Government.

And i agree, they should stay out of foreign governments policies.

They knew the law before they offended.

[bridge2bridge]

There was no outcry from the Australian Government when Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia.

WHAT? has changed now.

They are not even Australian Natives, only have Aussie passports.

They did the crime so now they do the time( execution).

Getting caught saved hundreds of people from buying the SHIT they tried to smuggle into Australia.

[eggers]

No doubt this move will ensure the boys die painfully as the initial bullets are almost guaranteed to miss the mark now.

I wonder how many people would of died if the heroin the Bali 9 was carrying if it made it to the streets of Australia.

Don't know about 1st point.

The 2nd point, is a concern I have, that little or no thought has been given for those whose lives were affected or ruined by these guys, who had shipped drugs previously to AUS. Plus, the fact that they must have known the Indonesian laws for drug offenders/traffickers are severe, as is case in other Asian countries, and knowingly set about to try to flaunt the law & were caught.

[sanuk711]

I think he is talking about the AUSSIE Government.

And i agree, they should stay out of foreign governments policies.

They knew the law before they offended.

Then we should have no protest to a country when people are whipped for disagreeing on the internet ---we should not raise any concerns, when a woman is stoned to death in another country "allegedly" for having sex outside marriage. China should be allowed to jail anyone that speaks out...its the Government that's doing it.

No one should have protested about the extermination in Germany--it was state sanctioned.

Government laws are sacrosanct aren't they bridge2bridge ? Apartheid was OK it was voted on in the all white parliament & became a government law.

If ISIS should ever manage to defeat a country & establish a government ----then in line with your view that no one should ever protest against barbaric laws because its government policy, other countries should keep quite while they bring their laws in.

[steven100]

Nobody should be doing drugs anyway .....

[sanuk711]

Nobody should be doing drugs anyway .....

Drugs don't ruin your career Steve.....

.

Drug tests do......................

yes that was a poor attempt at a joke

before the knee jerk letters start

[Don Mega]

I wonder how many people would of died if the heroin the Bali 9 was carrying if it made it to the streets of Australia.

Well considering the Aus Fed Police knew about it all I doubt they would have arrived in Australia without detection, hence none of it would have made it to the streets.... well not taking into consideration corrupt aus police that is.

[neverdie]

No doubt this move will ensure the boys die painfully as the initial bullets are almost guaranteed to miss the mark now.

I wonder how many people would of died if the heroin the Bali 9 was carrying if it made it to the streets of Australia.

Don't know about 1st point.

The 2nd point, is a concern I have, that little or no thought has been given for those whose lives were affected or ruined by these guys, who had shipped drugs previously to AUS. Plus, the fact that they must have known the Indonesian laws for drug offenders/traffickers are severe, as is case in other Asian countries, and knowingly set about to try to flaunt the law & were caught.

Well said sir !

[realenglish1]

While it is clear they are guilty Death is extreme. Once they are dead there is no suffering. The death penalty for whatever reason only appeases those that want vengence whether it is Society or the Victims.

On the other hand if you give them life without parole then they will suffer their entire life for the wrong they committed

So although death is a quick fix for society it is not a deterrent and is a sad state of affairs .

The guilty party does not suffer since they for a brief moment fear the death by whatever means is dealt to them. But once its done they are not suffering .

The death penalty is wrong The state can take a life but the citizens cannot How absurd

[Prbkk]

No doubt this move will ensure the boys die painfully as the initial bullets are almost guaranteed to miss the mark now.

I wonder how many people would of died if the heroin the Bali 9 was carrying if it made it to the streets of Australia.

Don't know about 1st point.

The 2nd point, is a concern I have, that little or no thought has been given for those whose lives were affected or ruined by these guys, who had shipped drugs previously to AUS. Plus, the fact that they must have known the Indonesian laws for drug offenders/traffickers are severe, as is case in other Asian countries, and knowingly set about to try to flaunt the law & were caught.

Well said sir !

Yes, the penalty is well known. How about the penalty for the supply of explosives in a terrorist attack that kills 202 Australians? What should be done with the person with ultimate responsibility for that( not to mention the murder of the human rights lawyer who blew the whistle on the military's involevemnt in drug trafficking)?

Joko's response to that person was to appoint him as special adviser in his transition to power committee. Everyone knew about this matter as it had been disclosed in leaked US cables.

But gee...a couple of minor drug mules....same island, different outcome

[neverdie]

No doubt this move will ensure the boys die painfully as the initial bullets are almost guaranteed to miss the mark now.

I wonder how many people would of died if the heroin the Bali 9 was carrying if it made it to the streets of Australia.

Don't know about 1st point.

The 2nd point, is a concern I have, that little or no thought has been given for those whose lives were affected or ruined by these guys, who had shipped drugs previously to AUS. Plus, the fact that they must have known the Indonesian laws for drug offenders/traffickers are severe, as is case in other Asian countries, and knowingly set about to try to flaunt the law & were caught.

Well said sir !

Yes, the penalty is well known. How about the penalty for the supply of explosives in a terrorist attack that kills 202 Australians? What should be done with the person with ultimate responsibility for that( not to mention the murder of the human rights lawyer who blew the whistle on the military's involevemnt in drug trafficking)?

Joko's response to that person was to appoint him as special adviser in his transition to power committee. Everyone knew about this matter as it had been disclosed in leaked US cables.

But gee...a couple of minor drug mules....same island, different outcome

I agree with you about this sir.

[Squeegee]

There was no outcry from the Australian Government when Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia.

WHAT? has changed now.

They are not even Australian Natives, only have Aussie passports.

They did the crime so now they do the time( execution).

Getting caught saved hundreds of people from buying the SHIT they tried to smuggle into Australia.

What garbage.

The arrests of these two would have had absolutely no effect on anyone who wanted to buy drugs.

[ebonykap]

For heaven's sake, please get the executions over with so I don't have to read any more of this, and Australia can stop embarrassing itself (for a short time at least) with it's meddling in international affairs.

I am vehemently against drugs, but I don't agree with the death penalty for drug offences. For life-taking, rape, other serious offences which can be proven with NO doubt, hang 'em high, eye for an eye. But really Australia, tiny little Australia, insignificant Australia....you dobbed them in, you and they knew the consequences of being caught. Deal done.

[woollee]

let them die they deserve it

[Time Traveller]

Interfering in the internal works of a foreign government.

Filing a lawsuit is not interfering. And it's not like Indonesia is a model of judicial fairness anyway. They're like the worst country in the world for corruption on every single survey.