Proposal for dialogue with Thaksin just a bad joke

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Proposal for dialogue with Thaksin just a bad joke
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BANGKOK: -- ONCE AGAIN, there is a proposal for people in power to have talks with former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra in a bid to end the lingering political conflict and to achieve reconciliation.

The recent proposal, by a member of the National Reform Council, is the latest in a series of similar suggestions made after the previous coup in September, 2006, and then again after the political unrest in 2010.

The proponents of such a move seem convinced that the fugitive telecoms tycoon has been at the centre of the conflict over the past decade. For them, an accord with Thaksin could restore peace in Thailand.

Is the assumption that Thaksin is the root cause of all the problems correct? Will an agreement with him really bring about reconciliation?

It is true that Thaksin is part of the conflict. At least he is an inspiration for a group of people - and he is often suspected of being behind many political moves by those people. Also, he is believed to be pulling the strings behind Pheu Thai, the political party that was previously in power.

However, it may not be completely correct to blame Thaksin alone for the political conflict. Critics accuse him of inciting his followers to vent their discontent on the streets. But, in fact, other groups are also unhappy with what is viewed as social inequity, such as the unfair allocation of natural resources. In addition, many people feel they are restricted of their|basic rights to vote or express their opinions.

Some of those people use Thaksin as an inspiration for their protests while others distance themselves from him due to their "contrasting ideologies" with him.

Many previous followers are now frustrated that Thaksin has not taken a stance publicly about the latest coup, although he previously portrayed himself as a champion of democracy. Many are uncomfortable with the Shinawatra family for their failure to fight back earlier. A counterattack from the family only came after former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra was impeached by the National Legislative Assembly. As a result, many people viewed that the Shinawatras and their people were just fighting for themselves.

Many Thais believe that the Thaksin-backed political group, when it was in power, had cosied up to certain elites in order to remain in power. The group failed to do what should have been done when it had the opportunity and finally it was betrayed repeatedly.

Even if there was talk between Thaksin and the people in power, and eventually an agreement was reached, those who are not involved with both sides might still be dissatisfied. Many of their problems would remain unsolved.

An important question is whether Thaksin wants to have such talks. He should have learned some lessons from the past. In fact, he does not have many cards left to play. If he really takes part in such talks, he would be heavily disadvantaged, which is not something a good negotiator should opt for.

As for Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha, he should be well aware of his current status. Participating in such talks with Thaksin would not be a good choice for him.

The latest proposal for talks between Thaksin and Prayut is, therefore, just a bad joke by some people who believe Thaksin is the centre of everything.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Proposal-for-dialogue-with-Thaksin-just-a-bad-joke-30254392.html


-- The Nation 2015-02-19

[englishoak]

The latest proposal for talks between Thaksin and Prayut is, therefore, just a bad joke by some people who believe Thaksin is the centre of everything.

Errr that would seem to be one of the excuses reasons for the Junta staging a coup no ?

[z42]

The guy is an untrustworthy, spinseless tyrant who shafts anybody and everybody in his never ending quest for power and riches.

Thailand is a basket case at the best of times, and granted Thaksin had a means by which to keep a lid on a lot of the ddogy stuff that goes on here, but the human cost was simply too high for him to ever be considered for such roles in the future.

A man who is clearly without morals, ethics and who makes himself unaccountable for any misdeeds simply can't play a positive role in building a good society.
Thailand has to leave him and a lot of the political old guard and power brokers on on all sides behind if it wants to move on. But that will never happen, A shame really because a lot of people here deserve much much better

[ramrod711]

A counterattack from the family only came after former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra was impeached by the National Legislative Assembly. As a result, many people viewed that the Shinawatras and their people were just fighting for themselves.

The people who feel that way are right. The entire family have used the poor to enrich themselves. Thaksin has said, "democracy was never the goal", that he wanted people to have better lives. He failed miserably, won't admit it because "he can't spell lose". It isn't a game, the big losers are the people of Thailand.

[noitom]

Look at the extent of the coverage they give to Thaksin. The Thai press is enamored with him.

[steven100]

Enough ... !!! Topic closed

[ezzra]

There are groups of people with vested interests that Thaksin will be allowed to come back to resume

business and influence in Thailand, and only those people are pushing for 'dialogs. amnesty.

forgive and forget' arrangements because they either have a lot to loos or a lot to gain from Thaksin

return, this should not allowed to happened as Thaksin is a shit stirrer and a trouble maker with a

megalomaniac disorder and he should be left where he is, far away from Thailand....

[worgeordie]

It would be better if everyone stopped talking about him,never

mind talking to him,

regards Worgeordie

[Manbing]

You lie with dogs, you get fleas.

Thaksin is a fugitive, on the run. He has no legitimate say in the affairs of Thailand, he's in exile.

Once again the ugly head of red shirt supporters have managed to generate this pathetic story as worthwhile news.

Prayuth is not going to respond to this . Hes too busy unravelling the Gordian knot of Thai corruption that became further entrenched under successive red shirt administrations.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Manbing

[JingerBen]

The latest proposal for talks between Thaksin and Prayut is, therefore, just a bad joke by some people who believe Thaksin is the centre of everything.

Errr that would seem to be one of the excuses reasons for the Junta staging a coup no ?

No.

The coup was staged because there were hundreds of thousands of people facing off for a civil war on the streets of Bangkok.

That's why.

[Srikcir]

" those who are not involved with both sides might still be dissatisfied. Many of their problems would remain unsolved."

If one looks at the last election where 90%+ of voters chose either the PTP or Democrat candidates, "those who are not involved with both sides" were a small minority. In fact the PTP formed a coalition with one of the minority parties. So it would seem that those who must be satisifed in any reconcliiation are those INVOLVED with both sides.

[Tatsujin]

... many people viewed that the Shinawatras and their people were just fighting for themselves ...

Couldn't have summed it up better myself.

[ginjag]

The latest proposal for talks between Thaksin and Prayut is, therefore, just a bad joke by some people who believe Thaksin is the centre of everything.

Errr that would seem to be one of the excuses reasons for the Junta staging a coup no ?

NO. a sh#t run government that shot it'self in the foot, now Thailand is following the missing money and rightly so. The reason for the intervention is obvious, apart from others who do not like army interventions. Better run government non elected than a totally corrupt elected government. Again there has not been democracy in Thailand since who knows when. Elections do not automatically democracy as we have witnessed with the Shin run regime, under the banner of PTP.

[Freed1948]

Let him rot.

Leave him be until he pays back ALL of his and his family's ill-gotten gains.

[sweatalot]

What could be a goal for a dialogue like that?

Making Thaksin to appear in TV, make a deep Wai and beg the people for forgiveness,

donate the ill gotten money for the people.

Telling he will now do his prison time and face all the charges aqgainst him, promise to leave the country forever together with his clan after his prison time never to return and never to appear in the public again.

[Bignose]

While I am no expert in the Thai mentality or social structures, I think there is one important point that does not get enough air.

Thailand itself is an extremely complex and problem ridden country, while large area's are still rural and third world, there are the more developed and progressive area's which are far more densely populated. To try to govern a diverse country such as this to the benefit of all would be extremely challenging for any party (no matter what the political persuasion) There will be no overnight fixes in the fields of health cover or education for the masses, these are issues which may well take generational change and action to solve.

There are a few perceived issues with the Thai mentality that lends itself to being negative and regressive, in my honest opinion these will be best dealt with through improved education. Without being patronizing a detailed understanding of democracy and its duties and responsibilities, is better developed within/after a well rounded and comprehensive education. It's hard to appreciate the maneuvering and brinkmanship of politics if you have no access to/or understanding of basic media.

What is that important point that does not get enough air?

The previous government had enough time at the helm to at least start the process, they had the time to gett the ball rolling and get the right people involved. Nothing happened apart from empty rhetoric and half truths, after literally years where progress could be made there is nothing but dept and discord.

Government is there to do just that, govern for the people who elected them and who pay their wages!

They are there to look ahead and plan what will be required for society to flourish, the previous government were not interested in any of this as they already had what they wanted. A pliant and loyal population (in sufficient numbers to guarantee their existence and hold on power) that can be manipulated with lies and propaganda, why would they want to educate the younger generations and risk what has taken so long to establish?

Abhorrent though it may be to some the present government may have to stay in power far longer than was first thought, but if they show the vision that has been so far lacking in their predecessors then it may all be worth while.

[ramrod711]

While I am no expert in the Thai mentality or social structures, I think there is one important point that does not get enough air.

Thailand itself is an extremely complex and problem ridden country, while large area's are still rural and third world, there are the more developed and progressive area's which are far more densely populated. To try to govern a diverse country such as this to the benefit of all would be extremely challenging for any party (no matter what the political persuasion) There will be no overnight fixes in the fields of health cover or education for the masses, these are issues which may well take generational change and action to solve.

There are a few perceived issues with the Thai mentality that lends itself to being negative and regressive, in my honest opinion these will be best dealt with through improved education. Without being patronizing a detailed understanding of democracy and its duties and responsibilities, is better developed within/after a well rounded and comprehensive education. It's hard to appreciate the maneuvering and brinkmanship of politics if you have no access to/or understanding of basic media.

What is that important point that does not get enough air?

The previous government had enough time at the helm to at least start the process, they had the time to gett the ball rolling and get the right people involved. Nothing happened apart from empty rhetoric and half truths, after literally years where progress could be made there is nothing but dept and discord.

Government is there to do just that, govern for the people who elected them and who pay their wages!

They are there to look ahead and plan what will be required for society to flourish, the previous government were not interested in any of this as they already had what they wanted. A pliant and loyal population (in sufficient numbers to guarantee their existence and hold on power) that can be manipulated with lies and propaganda, why would they want to educate the younger generations and risk what has taken so long to establish?

Abhorrent though it may be to some the present government may have to stay in power far longer than was first thought, but if they show the vision that has been so far lacking in their predecessors then it may all be worth while.

Nothing happened apart from empty rhetoric and half truths, after literally years where progress could be made there is nothing but dept and discord.

Half truths, you're 50% correct.

[Plowman]

"At least he is an inspiration for a group of people"

A group of people?

How about he is an inspiration for a 6 time national election winning majority!!!!!

The only faction i this debacle that can be described as a group of people is the Junta and it's elitist backers, thus their hatred for democracy!!!

[mikemac]

What could be a goal for a dialogue like that?

Making Thaksin to appear in TV, make a deep Wai and beg the people for forgiveness,

donate the ill gotten money for the people.

Telling he will now do his prison time and face all the charges aqgainst him, promise to leave the country forever together with his clan after his prison time never to return and never to appear in the public again.

Good thoughts and would be great for the country, but don't hold your breath.

But if for some reason this wish did come true I would like to see him take some of his brainwashed fans with him.

[Plowman]

It would be better if everyone stopped talking about him,never

mind talking to him,

regards Worgeordie

Worgeordie,

You like to have a voice and speak what's on your mind, so why would you seek to deny that right to the millions and millions and Thais that want Thaksin involved in their lives and in the leadership of their country?

How indecent of you.

I bet you enjoy dressing in Khaki.

regards,

Plowman

[Plowman]

What could be a goal for a dialogue like that?

Making Thaksin to appear in TV, make a deep Wai and beg the people for forgiveness,

donate the ill gotten money for the people.

Telling he will now do his prison time and face all the charges aqgainst him, promise to leave the country forever together with his clan after his prison time never to return and never to appear in the public again.

Good thoughts and would be great for the country, but don't hold your breath.

But if for some reason this wish did come true I would like to see him take some of his brainwashed fans with him.

Great minds thing alike. The above two posts prove that lesser minds are also capable of thinking alike.

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It would be better if everyone stopped talking about him,never

mind talking to him,

regards Worgeordie

Worgeordie,

You like to have a voice and speak what's on your mind, so why would you seek to deny that right to the millions and millions and Thais that want Thaksin involved in their lives and in the leadership of their country?

How indecent of you.

I bet you enjoy dressing in Khaki.

regards,

Plowman

Your out of touch, very out of touch.

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"At least he is an inspiration for a group of people"

A group of people?

How about he is an inspiration for a 6 time national election winning majority!!!!!

The only faction i this debacle that can be described as a group of people is the Junta and it's elitist backers, thus their hatred for democracy!!!

"How about he is an inspiration for a 6 time national election winning majority!!!!!"

7 posts.

Are they giving you the playbook page by page, start with page 1.

Perhaps you'd like to search around and get some better understand of 'majority', etc.

[Plowman]

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It would be better if everyone stopped talking about him,never

mind talking to him,

regards Worgeordie

Worgeordie,

You like to have a voice and speak what's on your mind, so why would you seek to deny that right to the millions and millions and Thais that want Thaksin involved in their lives and in the leadership of their country?

How indecent of you.

I bet you enjoy dressing in Khaki.

regards,

Plowman

Your out of touch, very out of touch.

With reality? One of us clearly is!

[Plowman]

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"At least he is an inspiration for a group of people"

A group of people?

How about he is an inspiration for a 6 time national election winning majority!!!!!

The only faction i this debacle that can be described as a group of people is the Junta and it's elitist backers, thus their hatred for democracy!!!

"How about he is an inspiration for a 6 time national election winning majority!!!!!"

7 posts.

Are they giving you the playbook page by page, start with page 1.

Perhaps you'd like to search around and get some better understand of 'majority', etc.

2011 = 265 seats out of 500

or how about

2005 = 375 seats out of 500

You tell me what majority means!

[nithisa78]

The guy is an untrustworthy, spinseless tyrant who shafts anybody and everybody in his never ending quest for power and riches.

Thailand is a basket case at the best of times, and granted Thaksin had a means by which to keep a lid on a lot of the ddogy stuff that goes on here, but the human cost was simply too high for him to ever be considered for such roles in the future.

A man who is clearly without morals, ethics and who makes himself unaccountable for any misdeeds simply can't play a positive role in building a good society.

Thailand has to leave him and a lot of the political old guard and power brokers on on all sides behind if it wants to move on. But that will never happen, A shame really because a lot of people here deserve much much better

was this a self-portrait?

[z42]

The guy is an untrustworthy, spinseless tyrant who shafts anybody and everybody in his never ending quest for power and riches.

Thailand is a basket case at the best of times, and granted Thaksin had a means by which to keep a lid on a lot of the ddogy stuff that goes on here, but the human cost was simply too high for him to ever be considered for such roles in the future.

A man who is clearly without morals, ethics and who makes himself unaccountable for any misdeeds simply can't play a positive role in building a good society.

Thailand has to leave him and a lot of the political old guard and power brokers on on all sides behind if it wants to move on. But that will never happen, A shame really because a lot of people here deserve much much better

was this a self-portrait?

Errr no, how about learn how to read and understand that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Everything I wrote I strongly believe to be true, Thaksin is one of the dirtiest politicians in history, the sheer numbers who died or have suffered due to his decisions and policies is sickening beyond belief. But I guess if you want to gloss over the losses of 1000's of lives as nothing then that only really reflects badly on you.

How about now trying to rebuff any / all of what I said. Let's discuss how a dialogue with Thaksin is a positive considering he IS a criminal fugitive on the run who refuses to return unless his crimes are whitewashed, and how he would expect to call the shots if stupidly he was given a chance to participate in a reconciliation process

[Plowman]

The guy is an untrustworthy, spinseless tyrant who shafts anybody and everybody in his never ending quest for power and riches.

Thailand is a basket case at the best of times, and granted Thaksin had a means by which to keep a lid on a lot of the ddogy stuff that goes on here, but the human cost was simply too high for him to ever be considered for such roles in the future.

A man who is clearly without morals, ethics and who makes himself unaccountable for any misdeeds simply can't play a positive role in building a good society.

Thailand has to leave him and a lot of the political old guard and power brokers on on all sides behind if it wants to move on. But that will never happen, A shame really because a lot of people here deserve much much better

was this a self-portrait?

Errr no, how about learn how to read and understand that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Everything I wrote I strongly believe to be true, Thaksin is one of the dirtiest politicians in history, the sheer numbers who died or have suffered due to his decisions and policies is sickening beyond belief. But I guess if you want to gloss over the losses of 1000's of lives as nothing then that only really reflects badly on you.

How about now trying to rebuff any / all of what I said. Let's discuss how a dialogue with Thaksin is a positive considering he IS a criminal fugitive on the run who refuses to return unless his crimes are whitewashed, and how he would expect to call the shots if stupidly he was given a chance to participate in a reconciliation process

Kool Aid alert!

[z42]

The guy is an untrustworthy, spinseless tyrant who shafts anybody and everybody in his never ending quest for power and riches.

Thailand is a basket case at the best of times, and granted Thaksin had a means by which to keep a lid on a lot of the ddogy stuff that goes on here, but the human cost was simply too high for him to ever be considered for such roles in the future.

A man who is clearly without morals, ethics and who makes himself unaccountable for any misdeeds simply can't play a positive role in building a good society.

Thailand has to leave him and a lot of the political old guard and power brokers on on all sides behind if it wants to move on. But that will never happen, A shame really because a lot of people here deserve much much better

was this a self-portrait?

Errr no, how about learn how to read and understand that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Everything I wrote I strongly believe to be true, Thaksin is one of the dirtiest politicians in history, the sheer numbers who died or have suffered due to his decisions and policies is sickening beyond belief. But I guess if you want to gloss over the losses of 1000's of lives as nothing then that only really reflects badly on you.

How about now trying to rebuff any / all of what I said. Let's discuss how a dialogue with Thaksin is a positive considering he IS a criminal fugitive on the run who refuses to return unless his crimes are whitewashed, and how he would expect to call the shots if stupidly he was given a chance to participate in a reconciliation process

Kool Aid alert!

troll / idiot alert more like. Let's discuss the topic shall we rather than doling out stupid insults.

Which part of what I wrote is factually incorrect then Plowman?

Incidentally I am not pro army or pro yellow. I am pro "people who work for interests of all Thais". And as such, people who have yet to come into the public domain let alone the political spotlight.

As head of the RTA and NCPO Prayuth is a legitimate leader and has made some positive steps, but also like Thaksin glosses over some pretty glaring wrongisms regarding members of his family and cabinet.

So who should fix the country do you think then? Bearing in mind that almost all political players with the means to do it appear to be bent as a dogs hind leg

[Roadman]

It would be better if everyone stopped talking about him,never

mind talking to him,

regards Worgeordie

Worgeordie,

You like to have a voice and speak what's on your mind, so why would you seek to deny that right to the millions and millions and Thais that want Thaksin involved in their lives and in the leadership of their country?

How indecent of you.

I bet you enjoy dressing in Khaki.

regards,

Plowman

awwww...ain't that sweet....another democracy is elections only groupee.

Are you also a "nothing ever changes flat earther" that prescribes to the "all coups are bad" groupees happily overlooking the very first 1932 coup that delivered the first opportunity of democracy in Thailand?

Edited February 19, 2015 by Roadman