Abhisit ready to prove innocence in NACC impeachment bid

[Lite Beer]

Abhisit ready to prove innocence in NACC impeachment bid

BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said Wednesday he respected the National Anti-Corruption Commission's resolution to seek his impeachment and that of his former deputy Suthep Thaugsuban for their alleged mishandling of the bloody break-up of red-shirt protests in 2010.

Abhisit said he was confident and ready to prove his innocence and explained that the situation he was in was not easy to handle. He insisted that he had adjusted strategies to avoid casualties but it was not easy because armed men were mingling among the protesters.

Vicha Mahakhun, spokesman for the NACC, had said that Abhisit and Suthep did not review or adjust the tactics used by military personnel to disperse the demonstrators.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Abhisit-ready-to-prove-innocence-in-NACC-impeachme-30254856.html

-- The Nation 2015-02-25

[smutcakes]

People more informed than me suggest that the army fear the Democrats cutting off their money train more than PTP.

Personally i find it difficult to agree, but we shall see.

It is something the Dems could win wide support on, and they should push it.

Abhisit or Korn are still the best options for PM of the country, probably the latter, but they need to cut ties which is nearly impossible.

[seajae]

at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

[smutcakes]

at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

Its the legal system, if you can delay or make excuses under the system why would they not?

Could it be they can delay etc because the legal system has been built to leave loopholes in it?

Things that may help YS delaying are obviously used/written by people who also feel they are above the law.

My torch would be shining very brightly on the efficiency of the judiciary.

[Robby nz]

at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

Its the legal system, if you can delay or make excuses under the system why would they not?

Could it be they can delay etc because the legal system has been built to leave loopholes in it?

Things that may help YS delaying are obviously used/written by people who also feel they are above the law.

My torch would be shining very brightly on the efficiency of the judiciary.

You have to remember that the judiciary have to work under existing laws also.

It is up to the politicians to make law that leave no loopholes and ensure a fair, efficient and equal justice system.

However it may be in the interests of politicians to have a justice system they can control or subvert.

We will see if the reform process addresses this.

What we have now being an interim Govt with no agenda of reelection they may just be inclined to do things properly without self interest.

[talktomarty]

Of course he's ready, he's already been told by NACC that he and Suthep will be found innocent! This is just to give the appearance that the Junta is unbiased. What a sham!!

[candide]

So if Abhisit or Suthep did not review the army tactics, who did? Oooooops!

Edited February 25, 2015 by candide

[ikke]

at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

It's so funny to read that you think you are the judge ..

The yellows don't have to run, and not because they are not guilty (because they are) but just because all this circus was set up and they are sure they will never be impeached as the Junta is on their side.

Dream on, together with Costas and Kim.....

Edited February 25, 2015 by ikke

[lildragon]

If either Mark or or that gangster with the whistle ever see the inside of a jail cell EVER!...I'll eat a hat.

[indyuk]

People more informed than me suggest that the army fear the Democrats cutting off their money train more than PTP.

Personally i find it difficult to agree, but we shall see.

It is something the Dems could win wide support on, and they should push it.

Abhisit or Korn are still the best options for PM of the country, probably the latter, but they need to cut ties which is nearly impossible.

Dear Sir you are overlooking the fact that the Democrats need to radically reform their party and its policies before they would be a credible adversary at the next election. It is unlikely that Khun Mark Abhisit would be deemed a suitable leader after the Democratic Party reform on the justification that he has been responsible for many serious errors of judgement when in office.

[ldiablo]

@seajae. It's a little premature to assume on your part based on something you read from a typical lieing ex politician that he may not end up trying to stall any proceedings or even try to run away. Do you always believe what you read. Pretty naive if you do.

[indyuk]

Of course he's ready, he's already been told by NACC that he and Suthep will be found innocent! This is just to give the appearance that the Junta is unbiased. What a sham!!

What you claim implies that there is continuing criminality in the currently rigidly controlled management of reforms by the present government. I cannot accept that that can be true because it would invalidate the entire reform process.

[Baerboxer]

at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

It's so funny to read that you think you are the judge ..

The yellows don't have to run, and not because they are not guilty (because they are) but just because all this circus was set up and they are sure they will never be impeached as the Junta is on their side.

Dream on, together with Costas and Kim.....

It's so funny how some posters insist all courts are rigged simply because they refuse to admit that members of the Shin family and their cronies break laws. The insistence that the Shins clan are somehow totally innocent and have never even so much as farted in public is laughable and very naive.

Do you see the irony in your first and second sentences?

[Baerboxer]

Of course he's ready, he's already been told by NACC that he and Suthep will be found innocent! This is just to give the appearance that the Junta is unbiased. What a sham!!

What you claim implies that there is continuing criminality in the currently rigidly controlled management of reforms by the present government. I cannot accept that that can be true because it would invalidate the entire reform process.

What he claims is the usual claptrap spouted by Shin supporters.

Does he have one shred of evidence to support his vivid imagination?

[rametindallas]

Red Shirt commandos equipped with automatic weapons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWjTn3JsF4

The Red Shirt they can take weapons from soldier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRiWM42PXxY

Thailand Red Shirt Weapons and Violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGt4l57yKXQ

Red-shirts steal weapons at ThaiCom compound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd3yq9S0cK0

Just how long was PM Abhisit to allow this violent, paid-for-by-Thaksin mob to carry on?

[Gunna]

If NACC is charging these two, then it shouldn't be too long before NACC brings charges against those idiots in CMPO and CAPO, including the incompetent Chalerm, for letting all those PDRC Demonstrators be shot at and attacked with grenades

[rockingrobin]

Personally I dont think he will be impeached , the repercussions will be wide and be unpalatable to the current situation

My take on the following

" He insisted that he had adjusted strategies to avoid casualties but it was not easy because armed men were mingling among the protesters "

Is this an acknowledgement that he was aware that innocent people and protesters would be put in danger,

By firing live ammunition into the group then it is more than reasonable to assume that innocent people would be killed, It then would follow that the generals giving the command are also responsible

For Obvious reasons this cannot be the case

[halloween]

Personally I dont think he will be impeached , the repercussions will be wide and be unpalatable to the current situation

My take on the following

" He insisted that he had adjusted strategies to avoid casualties but it was not easy because armed men were mingling among the protesters "

Is this an acknowledgement that he was aware that innocent people and protesters would be put in danger,

By firing live ammunition into the group then it is more than reasonable to assume that innocent people would be killed, It then would follow that the generals giving the command are also responsible

For Obvious reasons this cannot be the case

Of course he was aware, and so were the "innocent " protesters. The message was loud and clear "Go Home!" Free transport was even provided.

Those that are aware they are in a dangerous situation and refuse to leave evoke very little sympathy when they get hurt. There is a thing called Personal Responsibility, apparently you can buy it for B500/day.

[zaphod reborn]

The impeachment proceedings are a good thing. It will give the public an opportunity for a complete review of all the violence and atrocities associated with the 2010 redshirt protest. Abhisit diplomatically (Abhisit's biggest fault) says there were violent elements mingling with the redshirt crowds. The evidence will show that the violence was part and parcel of the entire redshirt protest movement in 2010. The NLA can evaluate the threat to the public, the lack of response by the police, and determine whether Abhisit should have used less lethal means to disperse the protesters. Even if all judgments are pre-defined, as the PTP supporters claim, the impeachment will be an important reminder of what can happen when the redshirts are allowed to control the streets of Bangkok.

[rockingrobin]

Personally I dont think he will be impeached , the repercussions will be wide and be unpalatable to the current situation

My take on the following

" He insisted that he had adjusted strategies to avoid casualties but it was not easy because armed men were mingling among the protesters "

Is this an acknowledgement that he was aware that innocent people and protesters would be put in danger,

By firing live ammunition into the group then it is more than reasonable to assume that innocent people would be killed, It then would follow that the generals giving the command are also responsible

For Obvious reasons this cannot be the case

Of course he was aware, and so were the "innocent " protesters. The message was loud and clear "Go Home!" Free transport was even provided.

Those that are aware they are in a dangerous situation and refuse to leave evoke very little sympathy when they get hurt. There is a thing called Personal Responsibility, apparently you can buy it for B500/day.

They didnt get hurt, some got killed,

It doesnt detract from the fact it was the result of firing live ammunition , knowing that deaths would occur.

If your statement

" Of course he was aware, and so were the "innocent " protesters. The message was loud and clear "Go Home!" Free transport was even provided "

is correct,

Then his actions are as a minimum is negligent ,

The foreseeable likelihood that the conduct will result in harm, the foreseeable severity of any harm that may ensue, and the burden of precautions to eliminate or reduce the risk of harm

[halloween]

Personally I dont think he will be impeached , the repercussions will be wide and be unpalatable to the current situation

My take on the following

" He insisted that he had adjusted strategies to avoid casualties but it was not easy because armed men were mingling among the protesters "

Is this an acknowledgement that he was aware that innocent people and protesters would be put in danger,

By firing live ammunition into the group then it is more than reasonable to assume that innocent people would be killed, It then would follow that the generals giving the command are also responsible

For Obvious reasons this cannot be the case

Of course he was aware, and so were the "innocent " protesters. The message was loud and clear "Go Home!" Free transport was even provided.

Those that are aware they are in a dangerous situation and refuse to leave evoke very little sympathy when they get hurt. There is a thing called Personal Responsibility, apparently you can buy it for B500/day.

They didnt get hurt, some got killed,

It doesnt detract from the fact it was the result of firing live ammunition , knowing that deaths would occur.

If your statement

" Of course he was aware, and so were the "innocent " protesters. The message was loud and clear "Go Home!" Free transport was even provided "

is correct,

Then his actions are as a minimum is negligent ,

The foreseeable likelihood that the conduct will result in harm, the foreseeable severity of any harm that may ensue, and the burden of precautions to eliminate or reduce the risk of harm

Get back to me after you understand the 2nd paragraph.

[Skywalker69]

Red Shirt commandos equipped with automatic weapons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWjTn3JsF4

The Red Shirt they can take weapons from soldier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRiWM42PXxY

Thailand Red Shirt Weapons and Violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGt4l57yKXQ

Red-shirts steal weapons at ThaiCom compound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd3yq9S0cK0

Just how long was PM Abhisit to allow this violent, paid-for-by-Thaksin mob to carry on?

Redshirt protester firing sawed-off M79 grenade launcher ...

[ExPratt]

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at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

I think its more of a case of they both know the court is Bent and are reacting with the appropriate concern

[harada]

Time to don the saffron robes Mark old chum.

[webfact]

Abhisit insists that crackdown of red-shirt protesters was justified



BANGKOK: -- Former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Wednesday he accepted the malfeasance charges filed against him and his former deputy prime minister Suthep Thuagsuban by the National Ant-Corruption Commission but would fight the case to prove his innocence and to defend his actions during the crackdown on red-shirt protesters in 2010.

He pointed out that had the NACC got information from key military figures responsible for the crackdown such as General Prawit Wongsuwan, General Anupong Paochinda and General Prayut Chan-ocha, it would be very useful for the case.

Abhisit admitted that he was not sure whether the above top brass figures would testify as his witnesses or not.

In reference to the two dead victims cited by the NACC to prove that the crackdown was not justified, he said that troops took part in the operation to disperse the protesters had no intention whatsoever to kill or main unarmed civilians.

He said that if the government then did not any actions to quell the violence perpetrated by red-shirt protesters it would be blamed for failing to perform its duty to maintain peace and order.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/abhisit-insists-that-crackdown-of-red-shirt-protesters-was-justified


-- Thai PBS 2015-02-26

[EnglishJohn]

These charges are the most ridiculous I have ever seen. I won't even bother going into the detail again : those who don't know it by now are brainwashed or stupid.

The only question which really matters is who was behind the decision to escalate the protests. It was a definite act by someone who knew that many innocent people would die and did not care about it.

[Srikcir]

He is much more relaxed having avoided prosecution for MURDER.

Given the inexhaustible conflict of interest between the Junta and the Democrats, the impeachment proceeding is just another appointment on his busy calendar. No doubt NLA will swoon over his innocent appeals and wish him well as Prayut's successor PM.

[Freed1948]

When will the Red Shirts paymaster be brought to justice??

[yellowboat]

at least he is prepared to go to court without threatening to run away or try stalling it. Why is that the red and ptp clowns all try to stall any legal proceedings , could it be because they know they are guilty while abhisit know he isnt, shows who is more of a man in all this by facing up to his accusers.

Goodness, you sound like junta spokes person or a shill.. The impeachment of Abhisit is nothing more than a shoddy attempt of the junta to show it is fair. Both are maintaining the power of the Thai elite. The red shirt's supported government was deposed and in its place a military one installed. Of course they would delay.

[Eric Loh]

He was equally upbeat and confident when he was charged criminally for the same case and the criminal court reciprocated by dropping the case. Why shouldn't he be confident this time. Anyway, both should be charged for criminal conduct and not for alleged mishandling which the NACC said will be decided later. Doubt that.