Thai opinion: Hitler does not live here, nor does Mao or Mussolini

[Eric Loh]

Who anyone take co-ed author especially Pornpimol serious when she can categorically wrote that the PDRC was an unarmed group and her obnoxious cowardly attack on LM victim Aum Neko. Here is someone who repeatedly attack and questioning previous election. Article on the Political Prisoner in Thailand spoke of her as a co-ed writer not to be taken seriously and hired simple for her capacity for sensation and drivel. I totally agree.

[Robby nz]

Wow that really hurt the Thaksin supporters and brought out the usual tactics.

Attack the messenger.

But Suthep.

The truth needs better denials than you have posted so far so keep trying.

[ttthailand]

I think the US understands exactly what is going on in Thailand but needs to stand on the side of democracy. It is a balancing act. If go unchallenged who knows how far any side in this or any other country will go. I think the reaction by the US to the coup has been very light, some comments but no real action. I also believe that the PM understands that the US needs to do what they are doing also as a way of balance. You can see this as other than words there has been no action by Thailand against the US.

It is a waiting game. If in time there is not a return to democracy than true measures will take place.

[Baerboxer]

Junta apologists have it too easy beating up the foreigners when the foreigners hold the mirror up to Thailand's elite.

Unfortunately, this article is just a full-court press of yellow propaganda points...

Congratulations on another meaningless editorial...

Must be worthless if it doesn't praise Thaksin the Innocent, Yingluck the Clever and all other wonderful members of the Shin clan and their erstwhile cronies eh? Gems like Chalerm the Sober, Tarit the Just and don't forget Plod the Wise.

Yingluck wouldn't know the meaning of democracy and she flaunted the rule of law whenever she fancied.

Their PR and lobbyists are good though. Still, many thought Marcos was good for the Philippines.

[ExPratt]

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I think the article hits the Nail on the Head about what is going on here.

The original Article does tell a few Home truths but may be a bit one eyed. I requested to post it a few days ago but in all fairness it was a bit near the mark for the current rules in place

[Baerboxer]

I think the US understands exactly what is going on in Thailand but needs to stand on the side of democracy. It is a balancing act. If go unchallenged who knows how far any side in this or any other country will go. I think the reaction by the US to the coup has been very light, some comments but no real action. I also believe that the PM understands that the US needs to do what they are doing also as a way of balance. You can see this as other than words there has been no action by Thailand against the US.

It is a waiting game. If in time there is not a return to democracy than true measures will take place.

Of course. I think your're correct. The EU countries too. Words express the desire to see democracy whilst still pursuing business, educational and cultural development and links.

All these countries understand what really goes on here. They all understand the reluctance of the very rich elite families to give up their positions of fabulous wealth, power, influence and impunity from the law. They recognize the true nature of the billionaire Shiniwattras and what their version of democracy really is - win and election and have the "right" to lie, steal and cheat and do anything you like. Just about rival factions trying to grab control for their own benefit and exploit the underlying insidious corruption, feudal hierarchy and weak education systems.

I'm sure the US and the EU Western countries want to see a real democracy emerge, one that moves the country forward for the benefit of all the people. That's a massive undertaking though and requires massive social change. Not sure anyone here has the appetite for that.

[Baerboxer]

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I think the article hits the Nail on the Head about what is going on here.

The original Article does tell a few Home truths but may be a bit one eyed. I requested to post it a few days ago but in all fairness it was a bit near the mark for the current rules in place

You really believe Yingluck did nothing wrong, respected the rule of law and always tells the truth?

Hope the Hammers win the double and the tooth fairy never forgets you!

[brucec64]

I think the article hits the Nail on the Head about what is going on here.

Absolutely. There was a letter in the Tribune a few weeks ago from an American who described the torture and so on the the junta was responsible for here in Thailand. Pure fantasy. He also said how the population opposed the junta and were living in fear. Must have been a different country. And once again the Americans quote Freedom House, an organisation closely linked to Thaksin and his advisers and Human Rights Watch also have dubious connections with people associated with Thaksin. As for Amnesty? I used to work for Amnesty during the 70s and have always respected their research. But their report on Thailand was pure speculation and drivel. I just wonder who nobbled Amnesty because there is 'a whole lot of nobblin' going' on' - due to the influence that billions of baht can have on the world stage. I did have some correspondece with Amnesty about their report but off course they believed their own lies. Sad really, that's one organisation that no longer has my support.

So let me get this straight.

Freedom House, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, most of the world press, and most of the western governments are wrong, and under the influence of Thaksin. But, you, in your blind support of a repressive junta, are right?

[ExPratt]

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I think the article hits the Nail on the Head about what is going on here.

The original Article does tell a few Home truths but may be a bit one eyed. I requested to post it a few days ago but in all fairness it was a bit near the mark for the current rules in place

You really believe Yingluck did nothing wrong, respected the rule of law and always tells the truth?

Hope the Hammers win the double and the tooth fairy never forgets you!

I don't know why you think I am referring to Yingluck , that was not even half of the original article , quite a lot about it referred to the erosion of rights and a bent political system. Twice we've been robbed Manure and spuds with last minute streaky,goals

Edited February 26, 2015 by ExPratt

[Mot Dang]

I thought Hitler was selling fried chicken in Thailand

I think he is into merchandising as well, giving the number swastikas on TShirts, and his ugly mug, that you see around the traps in Thailand. The kids wearing them have no idea.

Edited February 26, 2015 by Mot Dang

[Baerboxer]

Who anyone take co-ed author especially Pornpimol serious when she can categorically wrote that the PDRC was an unarmed group and her obnoxious cowardly attack on LM victim Aum Neko. Here is someone who repeatedly attack and questioning previous election. Article on the Political Prisoner in Thailand spoke of her as a co-ed writer not to be taken seriously and hired simple for her capacity for sensation and drivel. I totally agree.

She is entitled to her opinions. And some of her comments seem very reasonable when comparing the obviously orchestrated Forbes article.

Anyone who believes Yingluck to be sincere (ask the farmers she lied to when vowing they'd be paid next week) or acutally writes her own Fb page would believe anything.

Every verdict that goes against any Shin is "politically motivated, unfair, biased, a conspiracy". And yet they never offer any credible defense - just the same lame complaints.

[aTomsLife]

"I learned about brutal injustice from the book "Uncle Tom's Cabin" by Harriet Stowe, given to me by my father. But I did not understand it fully until I witnessed racial discrimination firsthand in the US."

What decade, or century for that matter, did the author attend Stanford? And what did the author come to understand "fully," I'd love to know.

Regardless, a hearty congratulations to him for his rhetoric. He's among very good company.

[h90]

To stop corruption, repair police, etc you would need a Hitler, Mao or Mussolini

[Baerboxer]

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I think the article hits the Nail on the Head about what is going on here.

The original Article does tell a few Home truths but may be a bit one eyed. I requested to post it a few days ago but in all fairness it was a bit near the mark for the current rules in place

You really believe Yingluck did nothing wrong, respected the rule of law and always tells the truth?

Hope the Hammers win the double and the tooth fairy never forgets you!

I don't know why you think I am referring to Yingluck , that was not even half of the original article , quite a lot about it referred to the erosion of rights and a bent political system. Twice we've been robbed Manure and spuds with last minute streaky,goals

Make yourself clearer then young man. The Forbes article, whilst pointing out the loss of civil liberties and rights associated with martial law and an appointed government, does tend to give the impression the Shins weren't doing anything wrong and that YL was the real PM, completely ignoring the reality.

Don't get like Jose M. - he thinks all the refs in the world are conspiring against his genius to rob his marvelous team of the victories they so richly deserve. Nutter. Remember it's a game of 2 halves and don't let the results make you as sick as a parrot!

[Baerboxer]

To stop corruption, repair police, etc you would need a Hitler, Mao or Mussolini

Please tell us you are joking?

[NeverSure]

The writer of the OP made "illegal contributions of more than $690,000 to Democrats in return for access to former President Clinton and other officials."

To have that kind of money to commit her own crime with, she is part of the elite. There is a battle for power between the elite and the common people. The Junta represents the elite.

I'm not a YS supporter, but no one has told me what crime she committed. I have been told she was negligent.

Did people steal money and rice from the rice scheme? If so was it YS? If things were stolen as in corruption, who stole them?

It isn't a crime to be stupid or lazy and if it was a crime to produce subsidies for farmers that cost the government money, every government in the world would be in jail.

I want to see if they tell us what YS is charged with, because at the very least this is a cleansing of the Shins. When they try YS I want to see if she's charged with being stupid and lazy, or if they have the goods on her for corruption or another crime.

[PaPiPuPePo]

I guess the writer thinks comparing 21st-century Thailand with 19th-century USA supports, rather than undermines, her argument.

Edited February 26, 2015 by PaPiPuPePo

[angiolo]

those that can do .other wise they join the police force

[Thai at Heart]

The writer of the OP made "illegal contributions of more than $690,000 to Democrats in return for access to former President Clinton and other officials."

To have that kind of money to commit her own crime with, she is part of the elite. There is a battle for power between the elite and the common people. The Junta represents the elite.

I'm not a YS supporter, but no one has told me what crime she committed. I have been told she was negligent.

Did people steal money and rice from the rice scheme? If so was it YS? If things were stolen as in corruption, who stole them?

It isn't a crime to be stupid or lazy and if it was a crime to produce subsidies for farmers that cost the government money, every government in the world would be in jail.

I want to see if they tell us what YS is charged with, because at the very least this is a cleansing of the Shins. When they try YS I want to see if she's charged with being stupid and lazy, or if they have the goods on her for corruption or another crime.

This is a battle between two elites

[Godders]

Nothing at all wrong with a free press giving a platform to this man and his views. So exactly when can we expect to hear an opposing view voiced by a supporter of the overthrown elected government?

[ldiablo]

It simply boils down to all sides are corrupt to the bone not excluding or limited to the army. So whether it's yellow,red or commando colours,they are just simply corrupt. Whether it's Taksin,Yinluck,Suthep or dear leader they are all corrupt. It's the nature of their beast.

[ExPratt]

Baerboxer

Make yourself clearer then young man. The Forbes article, whilst pointing out the loss of civil liberties and rights associated with martial law and an appointed government, does tend to give the impression the Shins weren't doing anything wrong and that YL was the real PM, completely ignoring the reality.

Don't get like Jose M. - he thinks all the refs in the world are conspiring against his genius to rob his marvelous team of the victories they so richly deserve. Nutter. Remember it's a game of 2 halves and don't let the results make you as sick as a parrot!

Its not about Personalities for me , I don't believe the erosion of freedom and democracy are a price worth paying, Or changing the constitution to stop the ordinary and working class people having a Government of their choice because the vain "Elite" cannot stand the though of relinquishing control. Say what you like about The Shinawatra's but I would consider what looks like the new alternative is going to be considerably worse , if you want to say what you think or protest your rights. As I think often now , do I want my Kids to grow up with:Attitude adjustment camps and a rigged democracy

IRONS X

[ratcatcher]

Nothing at all wrong with a free press giving a platform to this man and his views. So exactly when can we expect to hear an opposing view voiced by a supporter of the overthrown elected government?

Nothing at all wrong with a free press giving a platform to this man and his views.

Pay attention. see post #30. An attractive man if you say so.

[maidee]

hitler is dead, but his son or grandson might still be aroun, somewhere

so many people overhere love him so much (blindly)

[Baerboxer]

Baerboxer

Make yourself clearer then young man. The Forbes article, whilst pointing out the loss of civil liberties and rights associated with martial law and an appointed government, does tend to give the impression the Shins weren't doing anything wrong and that YL was the real PM, completely ignoring the reality.

Don't get like Jose M. - he thinks all the refs in the world are conspiring against his genius to rob his marvelous team of the victories they so richly deserve. Nutter. Remember it's a game of 2 halves and don't let the results make you as sick as a parrot!

Its not about Personalities for me , I don't believe the erosion of freedom and democracy are a price worth paying, Or changing the constitution to stop the ordinary and working class people having a Government of their choice because the vain "Elite" cannot stand the though of relinquishing control. Say what you like about The Shinawatra's but I would consider what looks like the new alternative is going to be considerably worse , if you want to say what you think or protest your rights. As I think often now , do I want my Kids to grow up with:Attitude adjustment camps and a rigged democracy

IRONS X

The problems is that nobody here represents democracy, real law and order, a true and fair justice system or the "people".

Proteserst against the Shiniwatras faced intimidation, threat, trumped up legal charges, attack, murder, disappearance and they also tried various ways of suppressing free speech. Remember the buffoon from the Cyber Crime Squad warning "liking" a comment against the Shin could lead to prosecution let alone posting it on social media.

I don't want my kids to grow up with any kind of adjustment camps, red villages and their version of democracy schools, rigged democracy or an elected government that lies, cheats, refuses to obey the law and openly allows a non elected convicted criminal to run the country for his and his family's benefit.

Difficult to see how Thailand can break out from the control of these elites which included the billionaire Shins.

[SheungWan]

I think the article hits the Nail on the Head about what is going on here.

Absolutely. There was a letter in the Tribune a few weeks ago from an American who described the torture and so on the the junta was responsible for here in Thailand. Pure fantasy. He also said how the population opposed the junta and were living in fear. Must have been a different country. And once again the Americans quote Freedom House, an organisation closely linked to Thaksin and his advisers and Human Rights Watch also have dubious connections with people associated with Thaksin. As for Amnesty? I used to work for Amnesty during the 70s and have always respected their research. But their report on Thailand was pure speculation and drivel. I just wonder who nobbled Amnesty because there is 'a whole lot of nobblin' going' on' - due to the influence that billions of baht can have on the world stage. I did have some correspondece with Amnesty about their report but off course they believed their own lies. Sad really, that's one organisation that no longer has my support.

So let me get this straight.

Freedom House, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, most of the world press, and most of the western governments are wrong, and under the influence of Thaksin. But, you, in your blind support of a repressive junta, are right?

If the yard-stick is the Forbes article then the answer is obviously yes.

[Felt 35]

I think the US understands exactly what is going on in Thailand but needs to stand on the side of democracy. It is a balancing act. If go unchallenged who knows how far any side in this or any other country will go. I think the reaction by the US to the coup has been very light, some comments but no real action. I also believe that the PM understands that the US needs to do what they are doing also as a way of balance. You can see this as other than words there has been no action by Thailand against the US.

It is a waiting game. If in time there is not a return to democracy than true measures will take place.

Of course. I think your're correct. The EU countries too. Words express the desire to see democracy whilst still pursuing business, educational and cultural development and links.

All these countries understand what really goes on here. They all understand the reluctance of the very rich elite families to give up their positions of fabulous wealth, power, influence and impunity from the law. They recognize the true nature of the billionaire Shiniwattras and what their version of democracy really is - win and election and have the "right" to lie, steal and cheat and do anything you like. Just about rival factions trying to grab control for their own benefit and exploit the underlying insidious corruption, feudal hierarchy and weak education systems.

I'm sure the US and the EU Western countries want to see a real democracy emerge, one that moves the country forward for the benefit of all the people. That's a massive undertaking though and requires massive social change. Not sure anyone here has the appetite for that.

Its simply not possible with a real democracy either here or in the region. Democracy; think Denmark, Sweden, Finland....maybe in a 100 years, no I forget, before that everyone in the region alive have emigrated to Northern Europe due to the drought brought with an on-going climate change. The little food they can produce the overpopulated country need themselves so with China and India.

[Eric Loh]

The writer of the OP made "illegal contributions of more than $690,000 to Democrats in return for access to former President Clinton and other officials."

To have that kind of money to commit her own crime with, she is part of the elite. There is a battle for power between the elite and the common people. The Junta represents the elite.

I'm not a YS supporter, but no one has told me what crime she committed. I have been told she was negligent.

Did people steal money and rice from the rice scheme? If so was it YS? If things were stolen as in corruption, who stole them?

It isn't a crime to be stupid or lazy and if it was a crime to produce subsidies for farmers that cost the government money, every government in the world would be in jail.

I want to see if they tell us what YS is charged with, because at the very least this is a cleansing of the Shins. When they try YS I want to see if she's charged with being stupid and lazy, or if they have the goods on her for corruption or another crime.

This is a battle between two elites

It's a battle between the old elites and the new elites.

[jayboy]

Wow that really hurt the Thaksin supporters and brought out the usual tactics.

Attack the messenger.

But Suthep.

The truth needs better denials than you have posted so far so keep trying.

In fact there have been some quite reasoned and well considered comments on this thread which have demolished the spurious arguments from the writer of this editorial.Even though the author as has been pointed out has a distinctly shady past I don't see this has been over personalised.

Yet for the acolytes of the Junta for any criticism however mild or constructive one is immediately labelled as a Thaksin lover.Needless to say they never actually address the issues which are of such pressing concern to all who hold the country dear ( on all sides of the political divide ) as Thailand continues its descent into chaos and shame.

[iReason]

"The implication here is that those old elites conspired to bring the downfall of the Shinawatras."

"Nothing could be farther from the truth."