non O visa based on marriage at vientiane

[Jaybot]

Hello all.... long time reader, first time question. I am a 30 year old American who just got married. I am currently on a non imm. ED , which I already have the cancellation letter from my Thai school. I will be going to vientiane tonight and would really appreciate anyones help with an answer. Do I need to show the 400,000 in my Thai account for 2 months in order to be granted a single entry non O from there ??

I have went and asked the officials at Nonthaburi immigration, and they told me I could just change from Non ED into Non O,, BUT I would have to show the seasoned money in account. I thought showing the money was only for the year extension based on marriage and NOT just to get the first 90 days on the new visa, so that i would have the time to season my money. Immigration officers told me that showing the money for 2 months on a bank statement was the same for 90 days visa and one year extension. They also told me i would have to show money at Vientiane also for a single entry non O....even though I have read differently from hete befor about this topic. I understand that there seems to be no clean cut answers when it comes to laws and it all depends on what place you go and what officer you get.. but does anyone have any recent information about a single non O from vientiane?? My money has only been in account for 3 weeks and im afraid they will deny my application because of it. Hoping to hear from Ubonjoe or Paz or anyone for that matter....and THANK YOU in advance.

[ubonjoe]

You will not need to show financial proof to get a single entry non-o visa based upon marriage in Vientiane.

The reason immigration would not do it without the funds being in the bank for 2 months was because you would of been applying for an extension of stay based upon marriage not a visa. I suggest go back you ask them about applying for a 60 day extension to visit your wife and then applying for the one year extension.

You can apply for a non immigrant visa at immigration in Bangkok based upon qualifying for an extension of stay based upon marriage with just the 400k baht in the bank. But you can only apply for it with a tourist visa or visa exempt entry.

[Jaybot]

Thank you Ubonjoe, your clarification makes me feel more confident about this trip.

Good day Sir.

[maanoi]

You will not need to show financial proof to get a single entry non-o visa based upon marriage .

What about for a multi entry non-o based on marriage?

[ubonjoe]

You will not need to show financial proof to get a single entry non-o visa based upon marriage .

What about for a multi entry non-o based on marriage?

Vientiane does not do multiple entry visas. You can get one in Savannakhet with no financial proof.

[TerryLH]

"Thank you Ubonjoe, your clarification makes me feel more confident about this trip."

OP, did you understand his reply about getting a 60 day extension at immigration for visiting your wife?

If you did that, it wouldn't require a trip to Laos, and it gives time (60 more days) for the money to season.

[Jaybot]

"Thank you Ubonjoe, your clarification makes me feel more confident about this trip."

OP, did you understand his reply about getting a 60 day extension at immigration for visiting your wife?

If you did that, it wouldn't require a trip to Laos, and it gives time (60 more days) for the money to season.

After reading it over, these visa rules and regs can get extremely confusing. So now i understand that I can just go to immigration and get a 60 day extension based on marriage ??? Because Nonthaburi immigration told me that with any type of extension based on marriage, I must show those seasoned funds.

[ubonjoe]

"Thank you Ubonjoe, your clarification makes me feel more confident about this trip."

OP, did you understand his reply about getting a 60 day extension at immigration for visiting your wife?

If you did that, it wouldn't require a trip to Laos, and it gives time (60 more days) for the money to season.

After reading it over, these visa rules and regs can get extremely confusing. So now i understand that I can just go to immigration and get a 60 day extension based on marriage ??? Because Nonthaburi immigration told me that with any type of extension based on marriage, I must show those seasoned funds.

The 60 day extension is to visit your wife it is not the same as the one year extension that requires the financial proof.

They should do it without a problem.

[Jaybot]

Thats what I have researched before and already knew and thought 100% was how that process is done.... but then last week, this grumpy officer at my immigration told me I was wrong. I am pretty sure she was just trying to make my day as hard as hers (misery loves company), and I am sure she understood completely what I wad asking to do. I explained it 3 times. Then when I asked to speak to a supervisor, she stormed off and went to talk with another lady for a split second and told me ALL of the extensions based on marriage MUST show funds... and from what I have learned before on this site from reading is that what she told me was incorrect IF we were playing by the written rules of the land, but i guess not. Im off on the train tonight for the non O journey to Vientiane. I am certain you are correct, but i see no other way around it, when I would have to go back to the same people at immigration to get anything done. Gotta bite the bullet on this one. Thank you for your concern.

[nzexpat]

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Thats what I have researched before and already knew and thought 100% was how that process is done.... but then last week, this grumpy officer at my immigration told me I was wrong. I am pretty sure she was just trying to make my day as hard as hers (misery loves company), and I am sure she understood completely what I wad asking to do. I explained it 3 times. Then when I asked to speak to a supervisor, she stormed off and went to talk with another lady for a split second and told me ALL of the extensions based on marriage MUST show funds... and from what I have learned before on this site from reading is that what she told me was incorrect IF we were playing by the written rules of the land, but i guess not. Im off on the train tonight for the non O journey to Vientiane. I am certain you are correct, but i see no other way around it, when I would have to go back to the same people at immigration to get anything done. Gotta bite the bullet on this one. Thank you for your concern.

The Immigration Officer was absolutely correct.

ALL applications for an "extension of stay based on marriage" have to be supported by adequate funds.

It is always much easier to blame an IO for communication failure than to admit ones own possible deficiencies.

[Jaybot]

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Thats what I have researched before and already knew and thought 100% was how that process is done.... but then last week, this grumpy officer at my immigration told me I was wrong. I am pretty sure she was just trying to make my day as hard as hers (misery loves company), and I am sure she understood completely what I wad asking to do. I explained it 3 times. Then when I asked to speak to a supervisor, she stormed off and went to talk with another lady for a split second and told me ALL of the extensions based on marriage MUST show funds... and from what I have learned before on this site from reading is that what she told me was incorrect IF we were playing by the written rules of the land, but i guess not. Im off on the train tonight for the non O journey to Vientiane. I am certain you are correct, but i see no other way around it, when I would have to go back to the same people at immigration to get anything done. Gotta bite the bullet on this one. Thank you for your concern.

The Immigration Officer was absolutely correct.

ALL applications for an "extension of stay based on marriage" have to be supported by adequate funds.

It is always much easier to blame an IO for communication failure than to admit ones own possible deficiencies.

Yea... I hear ya. So what would the point be for extending your stay for only 60 days if it was NOT to get your money seasoned for the 1 yr ext. ??? ..unless you are planning to take her back to your country or what ?? Is that qoute you mentioned found anywhere on a website ? I appreciate your feedback.

[ubonjoe]

From police order 327/2557.

"2.24 In the case of visiting a spouse or children who are of Thai nationality:

Permission shall be granted for one time and no more than 60 days."

[nzexpat]

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From police order 327/2557.

"2.24 In the case of visiting a spouse or children who are of Thai nationality:

Permission shall be granted for one time and no more than 60 days."

Sure but one needs to be clear about what one is applying for.

60 days to visit a Thai spouse or Thai children does not equate does NOT equate to an "extension of stay based on marriage"

[ubonjoe]

Clause 2.18 is the one year extension based upon marriage.

This is what is stated on page 3 of .Police Order 327/2557

"Criteria for Consideration of Granting an Alien Extension of Stay in the Kingdom According to Clause 2 of Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police dated 30 June 2014"

[Jaybot]

From police order 327/2557.

"2.24 In the case of visiting a spouse or children who are of Thai nationality:

Permission shall be granted for one time and no more than 60 days."

...and that is granted withOUT showing seasoned funds ??

[nzexpat]

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From police order 327/2557.
"2.24 In the case of visiting a spouse or children who are of Thai nationality:
Permission shall be granted for one time and no more than 60 days."

...and that is granted withOUT showing seasoned funds ??

Yes

[Jaybot]

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From police order 327/2557.

"2.24 In the case of visiting a spouse or children who are of Thai nationality:

Permission shall be granted for one time and no more than 60 days."

Sure but one needs to be clear about what one is applying for.

60 days to visit a Thai spouse or Thai children does not equate does NOT equate to an "extension of stay based on marriage"

I apologize for keeping on about this but i really want to learn as much as I can. So it seems that I asked the wrong question to them. I need to ask for a "visitation to see my wife" ...is that right ??

[ubonjoe]

It is done without any financial proof.

[Jaybot]

So now im thinking that i should just bring my wife with me to immigration tomorrow and let her help me explain about applying for a "visitation" and NOT an extension. I truly appreciate all of the advice.

[ubonjoe]

Download (link in previous post) the police order and print out the page with clause 2.24 on it.

[Jaybot]

Download (link in previous post) the police order and print out the page with clause 2.24 on it.

Absolutely,, and I will skip the trip to Laos and let the paid train tickets expire...i will still be saving money while NOT going up there. This is the reason why I posted here. I will take this into immigration and try again first thing tomorrow. I also could not find anything referring the difference of a "visitation" and an "extension". Everywhere online says that the "extension" is granted to "visit" your spouse...hmmmm dont really know. ....again, thank you shining much needed light on this topic.

[Jaybot]

Pardon me... last thing....

If my wife's house registrstion is registered in another province, do i have to go and apply at that immigration.....or can I use the proof of my current address ??

[Mario2008]

You will need proof of current (real) address and apply at your local immigration office.

[Jaybot]

Download (link in previous post) the police order and print out the page with clause 2.24 on it.

Just when I think I got it all figured out, another confusion arrises, which is: are they going to just add an extra 60 days on my current ED visa ??.....or are they going to cancel that visa, and if so, Will they tell me I need a particular type of visa to put the extra 60 days on ???

[ubonjoe]

Download (link in previous post) the police order and print out the page with clause 2.24 on it.

Just when I think I got it all figured out, another confusion arrises, which is: are they going to just add an extra 60 days on my current ED visa ??.....or are they going to cancel that visa, and if so, Will they tell me I need a particular type of visa to put the extra 60 days on ???

I am sure you don't have a valid visa. The one you had that gave you a 90 day permit to stay long ago has expired I am sure. You are are currently on an extension of that permit stay based upon attending school.

The 60 day extension will be an extension of that same permit to stay you got from that entry.

The when you have the money in the bank for 2 months you can apply for the one year extension of stay based upon marriage.

[Jaybot]

Download (link in previous post) the police order and print out the page with clause 2.24 on it.

Just when I think I got it all figured out, another confusion arrises, which is: are they going to just add an extra 60 days on my current ED visa ??.....or are they going to cancel that visa, and if so, Will they tell me I need a particular type of visa to put the extra 60 days on ???

I am sure you don't have a valid visa. The one you had that gave you a 90 day permit to stay long ago has expired I am sure. You are are currently on an extension of that permit stay based upon attending school.

The 60 day extension will be an extension of that same permit to stay you got from that entry.

The when you have the money in the bank for 2 months you can apply for the one year extension of stay based upon marriage.

Ok.. i think i got it all now.

Thank you sir

[norbra]

I was of the belief that an extention of non-o based on marriage required "pension/income" of 400,000+ only,monies in bank would not be considered. Is this really the requirement?

[paz]

Just when I think I got it all figured out, another confusion arrises, which is: are they going to just add an extra 60 days on my current ED visa ??.....or are they going to cancel that visa, and if so, Will they tell me I need a particular type of visa to put the extra 60 days on ???

If you are staying with an extension for studying Thai, the most likely is that Immigration will refuse any type of extension beside the one for studying, or 7 days to leave country. That is against written regulations, yet that is what they do in practice.

[paz]

I was of the belief that an extention of non-o based on marriage required "pension/income" of 400,000+ only,monies in bank would not be considered. Is this really the requirement?

Can be either income of Bt 40,000 a month, or funds of Bt 400,000 in Thai bank.

[ToS2014]

I pretty much was in the same boat, changed from an ED to a Non O. I had a statement from the US embassy on my monthly pension. Showed all docs to the officials at Vientiane and the only doc they gave me back was my letter of financial proof from the embassy. On my way now to immigration in Jomtien for the follow up 90 day extension, which I'm sure will need the financial letter. Best wishes and good day.