webfact Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Toothfish poaching vessel detained in Phuket - Sea ShepherdOne News(YVNZ) The toothfish poaching vessel Kunlun which fled from the New Zealand Navy in the Southern Ocean has been detained in Phuket, Thailand, on fisheries-related violations, according to conservation group Sea Shepherd.The vessel was caught by the Navy engaged in illegal fishing in Australian waters in January and last month it was intercepted by the Sea Shepherd ship, Sam Simon, in possession of banned fishing equipment, again in Australian waters.The HMNZS Wellington spent two weeks pursuing three vessels, the Songhua, Kunlun and Yongding, but left the area after its crew was refused permission to board.Sea Shepherd says the Kunlun, which is one of six vessels that are known to still engage in Illegal fishing for toothfish in the Southern Ocean, was detained in Phuket in a coordinated effort between Interpol and law enforcement authorities in Thailand, Australia and New Zealand.Full story: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/toothfish-poaching-vessel-detained-in-phuket-sea-shepherd-6257533-- TVNZ 2015-03-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 That should make for a nice wreck dive after it's scuttled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Have nothing but contempt for the captain of the Sea Shepherd who puts his crew into harms way without conscience. The man is a disgrace to his profession. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 ^^^ The crew are not press-ganged into joining the ship. They volunteer. And before any action is taken, they take a vote. My brother was an engineer who was very close to the Sea Sherpherd people and Greenpeace. He was involved in several actions with them, and said no one on board the ships he was on demurred from pushing the limits of protest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) ^^^ The crew are not press-ganged into joining the ship. They volunteer. And before any action is taken, they take a vote. My brother was an engineer who was very close to the Sea Sherpherd people and Greenpeace. He was involved in several actions with them, and said no one on board the ships he was on demurred from pushing the limits of protest. That's not the point. A captain is responsible for the safety of his crew. If they are actually voting on certain risky actions, it means that the captain has abdicated that responsibility. A vessel is not run as a democracy. Edited March 17, 2015 by KarenBravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 ^^^ The crew are not press-ganged into joining the ship. They volunteer. And before any action is taken, they take a vote. My brother was an engineer who was very close to the Sea Sherpherd people and Greenpeace. He was involved in several actions with them, and said no one on board the ships he was on demurred from pushing the limits of protest. That's not the point. A captain is responsible for the safety of his crew. If they are actually voting on certain risky actions, it means that the captain has abdicated that responsibility. A vessel is not run as a democracy. "A vessel is not run as a democracy." - true, but a democracy is usually created, just before the Captain is thrown overboard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tczack Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 Have nothing but contempt for the captain of the Sea Shepherd who puts his crew into harms way without conscience. The man is a disgrace to his profession. Bizarre reply.... The ambition of Sea Shepherd is to intervene in these illegal actions, and the crew are all volunteers who knowing accept some risk. Paul Watson is a legend, and has earned his reputation as a fearless conservationalist. Go Sea Shepherd. Go Paul!!! As far as having no conscience, I would point to the illegal fishing outfits who are stealing from future generations by driving mass extinction and plundering the seas!!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Have nothing but contempt for the captain of the Sea Shepherd who puts his crew into harms way without conscience. The man is a disgrace to his profession. Bizarre reply.... The ambition of Sea Shepherd is to intervene in these illegal actions, and the crew are all volunteers who knowing accept some risk. Paul Watson is a legend, and has earned his reputation as a fearless conservationalist. Go Sea Shepherd. Go Paul!!! As far as having no conscience, I would point to the illegal fishing outfits who are stealing from future generations by driving mass extinction and plundering the seas!!! As I have been going to sea for 40 years, I know the responsibilities of a captain. It's rather obvious that you don't. Some of the things that the vessel does under the control of the captain, not only puts the lives of the Sea Shephard at risk, but also, the lives of the crew on board the target vessel. He may be a legend amongst "Green at any Cost" activists, but, he is a complete joke amongst professional seafarers. I have not come across a single captain that doesn't think that the man is an unprofessional, egotistical idiot. I certainly value their opinions as qualified captains over yours. Edited March 18, 2015 by KarenBravo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 I don't think this thread is about Sea Shepherd, who are at least trying to help our environmen, but about an illegal fishing vessel caught. So excellent news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yes, this vessel was finally caught. And.....how was it caught? It just sailed into port and was impounded from intelligence from various agencies. What did all the high-jinx and unsafe stuff in the southern ocean achieve? Absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yes, this vessel was finally caught. And.....how was it caught? It just sailed into port and was impounded from intelligence from various agencies. What did all the high-jinx and unsafe stuff in the southern ocean achieve? Absolutely nothing. I would presume it contributed to getting caught. But again, that is not the issue on hand here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tczack Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 I am pretty sure the captain of the Kunlun is also not a fan. I hope he rots in jail.... I don't really care if people in the fishing industry like what Sea Shepherd do or not. I support them 100%. What matters is that the laws are enforced, and any action that pushes that enforcement is good in my view. Green at any cost, or Green at all cost. Right now the seas are under serious stress, and action is required!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tczack Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What did all the high-jinx and unsafe stuff in the southern ocean achieve? Absolutely nothing. Many hundreds of whales are still swimming in the wild instead of being killed by the Japanese whalers, and the highest court in the land agreed they were doing this killing illegally. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/01/world/europe/united-nations-court-rules-against-japan-in-whaling-dispute.html?_r=0 Is that "Absolutely Nothing"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 There are Laws of the Sea that the Captain of the Sea Shephard doesn't follow. These laws are designed to stop getting people hurt. I'm not talking about whales here. I also am glad that there are conservation efforts. My particular beef and only beef is against the captain of the Sea Shephard who puts lives at risk unnecessarily. Lives of both his own crew and the "targets". I don't believe that any seafarer, exempting pirates, deserves to get hurt by one fool disregarding well established laws designed to protect ALL seafarers and taking risks with the lives of his crew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Watson is a terrorist of the sea. An extremist in the extreme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 There are Laws of the Sea that the Captain of the Sea Shephard doesn't follow. These laws are designed to stop getting people hurt. I'm not talking about whales here. I also am glad that there are conservation efforts. My particular beef and only beef is against the captain of the Sea Shephard who puts lives at risk unnecessarily. Lives of both his own crew and the "targets". I don't believe that any seafarer, exempting pirates, deserves to get hurt by one fool disregarding well established laws designed to protect ALL seafarers and taking risks with the lives of his crew. OK, Sea Shepherd it is I don't think seafarers that are purposefully and knowingly ignoring international law, like the Japanese whalers are, deserve any kind of protection. Tough shit if they get hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tczack Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 Fair enough KarenBravo. Our positions differ in that I believe that the Whales, Dolphins, and all sentient beings should be equally respected and not put at risk, much less murdered. Laws have done little to protect them, and I applaud Sea Shepherd for taking action to enforce the law when nothing is done by the authorities, as has been the case in the Southern Ocean Sanctuary. If those who ignore laws, and murder these intelligent, socially aware animals get hurt in their stupidity, so be it. If Sea Shepherd (or any activist) crew who volunteer get hurt, they did so knowlng the risks, and can be proud of their sacrifice. We are not going to change each others views, clearly, but the dialog is important. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Tough shit if they get hurt. And does the same apply to the crew of the Sea Shephard? In fact, they are put more at risk. The Laws of the Sea are like traffic laws. They spell out how to pass another vessel, what side to pass, who gets right-of-way and when. How close you are allowed to approach etc. You should know all this being involved with dive-boats. We won't even get into sending people out in small outboard driven craft in sea conditions that no one but a zealot would consider going out in. As I've said before, other captains, total professionals consider the Sea Shephard's captain an incompetent, egotistical, dangerous fool. Anyone think of the risks to rescue personnel, should they be needed? I've worked in the Southern Ocean and it is not a forgiving place and certainly not a place to take risks, regardless of the cause. Good intelligence and multi-agency cooperation captured the Tooth-fish vessel, not empty bravado. I support conservation efforts, but, not at any price.......... Edited March 18, 2015 by KarenBravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Tough shit if they get hurt. And does the same apply to the crew of the Sea Shephard? In fact, they are put more at risk. The Laws of the Sea are like traffic laws. They spell out how to pass another vessel, what side to pass, who gets right-of-way and when. How close you are allowed to approach etc. You should know all this being involved with dive-boats. We won't even get into sending people out in small outboard driven craft in sea conditions that no one but a zealot would consider going out in. As I've said before, other captains, total professionals consider the Sea Shephard's captain an incompetent, egotistical, dangerous fool. Anyone think of the risks to rescue personnel, should they be needed? I've worked in the Southern Ocean and it is not a forgiving place and certainly not a place to take risks, regardless of the cause. Good intelligence and multi-agency cooperation captured the Tooth-fish vessel, not empty bravado. They (should) know the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) That's not the point. It's not up to the crew what they can and cannot do. A true captain wouldn't allow people to put themselves at risk. That is what I'm trying to say. Edited March 18, 2015 by KarenBravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tczack Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I hear you..... What about captains of military vessels?? This is their job, and they put people at risk all the time. If someone is only doing this for money, and has crew who are there only for their work, I would agree with you. The captain should put safety as the #1 priority. That is not what Sea Shepherd is doing. They are willing to put themselves at risk for the oceans and sea life, and I applaud that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That's not the point. A true captain wouldn't allow people to put themselves at risk. That is what I'm trying to say. Depends on the aim/purpose of the boat. Most boats out there have as purpose to go from A to B safely, Sea Shepherd has as purpose to prevent as much killing of whales as they can. So the captain will have a completely different view of the task at hand. SeaShepherd is not about seamanship and doesn't care about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The captain is a captain. He can't just throw away some of that responsibility to further a goal. http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/ Here, they even boast about it. Idiots! http://www.seashepherd.fr/news-and-media/editorial-080326-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post monkeycountry Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Have nothing but contempt for the captain of the Sea Shepherd who puts his crew into harms way without conscience. The man is a disgrace to his profession. At least neither he, nor his crew, are trying to save the world from behind a keyboard! They are the only ones actually doing anything effective to save certain species from extinction. And yes, of course a captain can put his crew at risk, assuming the crew knew what they were going into, and agreed to it before leaving port. Warships, coast guard vessels, firefighting vessels etc. do it all the time! Captain Philips from Maersk Alabama did it too. He could have sailed the other way around the world. Would have taken twice as long, at least, but there would have been no risk of Somali Pirates boarding his ship and almost killing him and his crew :-) Edited March 18, 2015 by monkeycountry 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tczack Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Right on MonkeyCountry!!! Edited March 18, 2015 by tczack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Certainly I am no expert... but wouldn't the analogy be high-speed chases by police? Of course no sane police office is going to put himself, the public or the perpetrator at risk in a high-speed chase for a minor infraction. However it IS perfectly LEGAL for police to ignore all laws/rules of the road and engage in pursuit at their discretion. In 2001 in the USA 365 deaths resulted from crashes during police chases, 140 of those killed were innocent bystanders. I'd say, if the Sea Sheppard Captain was honest in the link KarenBravo posted and there have been no serious injuries on his boat since launching in '79, that he is doing a very acceptable job in protecting his crew... In fact a much better job than police are doing in protecting the public. Edited March 18, 2015 by mikebike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2fishin2 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I hear you..... What about captains of military vessels?? This is their job, and they put people at risk all the time. If someone is only doing this for money, and has crew who are there only for their work, I would agree with you. The captain should put safety as the #1 priority. That is not what Sea Shepherd is doing. They are willing to put themselves at risk for the oceans and sea life, and I applaud that. Military vessels DO NOT put people at risk. The SEA SHEPHERD is a self proclaimed vigilante that puts boats and crew in serious risk all the time. There is a right and wrong way to take care of business and they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Certainly I am no expert... but wouldn't the analogy be high-speed chases by police? You're absolutely right.........which is why they are being phased out in favour of restrictive chases. They are deemed too dangerous for those taking part and the general public at large. As for the other analogies like military, fire etc. Risks as far as possible are controlled and their purpose is to save HUMAN life. If you equate the life of a Toothfish to a human, that's up to you. Again, I repeat. In this case, the reason the vessel was caught really didn't have much to do with the Sea Shephard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toknarok Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Watson is a terrorist of the sea. An extremist in the extreme. So are the French. Remember the blowing upof the 'green' ship in New Zealand, and the boarding and smashing up the ship near Mururoa Atoll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It is somewhat comic that the Kiwi Navy skunkered off after the fishing boat refused to let them board. How did that dialogue go? "You're under arrest!" "No, I'm not." "Please cooperate..." "No, I'm leaving. Bye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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