Threatened with death

[jackted]

I posted a topic about a CTH Scam which was moved to computers,internet, communications technology - READ IT

Please Administrators do not move this post

If you read the original post you will know me, my pregnant Thai wife and 19 month old son were KIDNAPPED, ASSAULTED & ROBBED on Koh Chang by CTH scammers and THE POLICE. All of this is provable in fact all parties are still on Koh Chang filling their boots.

We have spoken to the Amy and CTH. The police and others expect all business owners here to just accept it. They are less than happy I have tried to get help and publicize this.

My family has received death threats. we are scared to death

I have a legitimate business, cause no harm to anyone and just take care of my family

FOR GODS SAKE WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP US!

[Neeranam]

Wow - sorry I can't think how to help except try to stay calm and accpt the things ou can't change.

[chickenslegs]

I don't have any suggestions, but here is a link to your original topic - which may be helpful to other readers.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/809135-cth-scam/#entry9192027

[NickJ]

Sign up for truevisions........but if it is as you say it is then the only thing to do is to leave the island. There are still quite a few parts of this country that runs like Chicago ran in the Capone era. Whistleblowers have problems even though you are in the right. Close for awhile.......focus on your family.

[nzexpat]

Has a formal complaint been lodged with the Police about this alleged KIDNAPPING, ASSAULT & ROBBERY ?

What help are you expecting to receive from a forum?

Edited March 18, 2015 by nzexpat

[Amavel]

Find a criminal to take out the criminals. There is always someone dirtier and hungrier.

[robertthebruce]

Pack up and Move for you and your family's safety...

[evadgib]

1. Create a paper trail via the appropriate embassy & social media.

2. Run the affair past drummond.

HTH

Edited March 18, 2015 by evadgib

[rbkk]

Why can't these two threads be merged into Thailand News? Surely a larger audience could help this family.

Social media is a powerful tool here in Thailand. If you do have CCTV evidence, post the clip on as many important Facebook pages (with links to these threads) as you can. I'd begin with the CTH Facebook page....

[balo]

Why can't these two threads be merged into Thailand News? Surely a larger audience could help this family.

Social media is a powerful tool here in Thailand. If you do have CCTV evidence, post the clip on as many important Facebook pages (with links to these threads) as you can. I'd begin with the CTH Facebook page....

Because maybe it does not belong in Thailand news. So far we only heard the story from a desperate person. I'm not sure if its true or not but the first thinkg he should do is contact a lawyer or the real police,

Or the Thai media , they would love to print this if its true.

Or he could contact some of his friends , or even other locals he know to follow this up . This is just a forum , if he has no other options I suggest he contact one of the administrators here and leave his phone number so they can find a trustworthy person in his area to try to help .

Edited March 18, 2015 by balo

[MrWorldwide]

Other than boycott Koh Chang, which I'm happy to do, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to help the OP. As others have said, time to get the hell off that island. We saw similar claims as the Koh Tao saga unravelled - RTP on an island where they could work hand in glove with criminals to extort as much money as possible from business owners. I wish the OP all the best.

[jackted]

Has a formal complaint been lodged with the Police about this alleged KIDNAPPING, ASSAULT & ROBBERY ?

What help are you expecting to receive from a forum?

Koh Chang is small island. I can`t report ot too the police.....they were part of the gang that kidnapped us!

There`s no "alleged" about it. It happened, it was terrifyingly real. I have proof and witnesses.

I have reached out in desperation to lots of people. I have never been in this situation. I have no idea what to do. The Army seem powerless. The British Embassy can do nothing. I reached out to this forum to see if any members had any advise on what the hell I should do. I am scared for my family.

What`s your advice for me and my family?

[jackted]

1. Create a paper trail via the appropriate embassy & social media.

2. Run the affair past drummond.

HTH

1. Contacted the embassy - they can do nothing

2. sent email tonight

[jackted]

I'd begin with the CTH Facebook page....

Did that today

[jackted]

Why can't these two threads be merged into Thailand News? Surely a larger audience could help this family.

Social media is a powerful tool here in Thailand. If you do have CCTV evidence, post the clip on as many important Facebook pages (with links to these threads) as you can. I'd begin with the CTH Facebook page....

Because maybe it does not belong in Thailand news. So far we only heard the story from a desperate person. I'm not sure if its true or not but the first thinkg he should do is contact a lawyer or the real police,

Or the Thai media , they would love to print this if its true.

Or he could contact some of his friends , or even other locals he know to follow this up . This is just a forum , if he has no other options I suggest he contact one of the administrators here and leave his phone number so they can find a trustworthy person in his area to try to help .

1 It is true. My staff, customers and friends witnessed me leave with what I thought at the time were real agents from CTH and the 2 police officers that work at Chai Chet Police Station. We have photographic proof. Once at he police station the police departed leaving us in the hands of thee thugs. They made sure we could not take footage. Where they made me take out money from my ATM they were skilled enough to be away from the CCTV of the ATM. I made several calls to fiends whilst we were kidnapped but had to stop because they tried to take my phone. Bravely when my wife was alone in the main police station she got off a sneaky photo of one of the gangsters inside the police station

2. I did contact my Thai lawyer several times. This happened late Saturday evening and he didn`t want to know. He will be replaced.

3. I have no experience of this or contacting Thai media. By not taking this lying down like all businesses do here I am not making myself popular with these gangsters or the police. I don`t know which media is the best to contact or who. I a about to contact The Bangkok post. But I have no idea if that would be the best option or not

4I have contacted my friends. Most of them say `well that`s just part of business life here. You get shake downs, pay a fee, suck it up`. A few have said take it further like to the Army here. I did but they seem in no hurry to do anything about it.

5 I will leave my number if I can get a trustworthy contact with some clout who can do something about this

[Loptr]

Has a formal complaint been lodged with the Police about this alleged KIDNAPPING, ASSAULT & ROBBERY ?

What help are you expecting to receive from a forum?

Koh Chang is small island. I can`t report ot too the police.....they were part of the gang that kidnapped us!

There`s no "alleged" about it. It happened, it was terrifyingly real. I have proof and witnesses.

I have reached out in desperation to lots of people. I have never been in this situation. I have no idea what to do. The Army seem powerless. The British Embassy can do nothing. I reached out to this forum to see if any members had any advise on what the hell I should do. I am scared for my family.

What`s your advice for me and my family?

Err, get off the island, move, vamos, get the hell out of Dodge...

Besides that, I'm not sure what you think anyone on TVF can do for you...

[jackted]

Pack up and Move for you and your family's safety...

Yes that has obviously crossed my mind..... but my main income source is my restaurant based here (I leave - who runs that?), I just built a house here (what happens to that?)...my life and friends are here...Of course the safety of my family is paramount but it`s just not as simple as `packing up and moving`

[jackted]

Has a formal complaint been lodged with the Police about this alleged KIDNAPPING, ASSAULT & ROBBERY ?

What help are you expecting to receive from a forum?

Koh Chang is small island. I can`t report ot too the police.....they were part of the gang that kidnapped us!

There`s no "alleged" about it. It happened, it was terrifyingly real. I have proof and witnesses.

I have reached out in desperation to lots of people. I have never been in this situation. I have no idea what to do. The Army seem powerless. The British Embassy can do nothing. I reached out to this forum to see if any members had any advise on what the hell I should do. I am scared for my family.

What`s your advice for me and my family?

Err, get off the island, move, vamos, get the hell out of Dodge...

Besides that, I'm not sure what you think anyone on TVF can do for you...

You might be right cowboy....but who then runs my restaurant?

So you don`t think there is anyone on TVF that can help? Nobody has been through something similar before? You may be right. Worth a try though right when I`m so bloody desperate and frightened or shouldn`t I have bothered?

[nottocus]

Move or die by the sounds of it.

[krisb]

I really feel sorry for you guys.

To me the scariest bit is the police walking out once you got taken to the cop shop. That is frightening.

If it were me and I had my young family there I'd leave. I'd sell up and go.

Nothing to stop this happening again. You need to look after your kids and wife first stuff the house and business, sell them.

But that's just me.

[LuckyLew]

If no one n the island is willing to help you then I would not stay on the island

If they get away with it once, they will do it again and again

The business is not worth putting your families and your own security and happiness at risk

Sell the business and leave

[zierf1]

Lesson learned. Don't invest in a business or property in Thailand. Money invested = gone.

[kannot]

Lesson learned. Don't invest in a business or property in Thailand. Money invested = gone.

So untrue

[HeijoshinCool]

I came to Thailand in 2007, and my first three years were on Koh Chang. I made many friends with foreigners who owned restaurants. Three are dead, the rest have left, most back to their home countries.

This is an ongoing scam on KC. No license for playing music; no license for playing music "loudly"; no license for selling cigarettes (even though you aren't selling cigarettes); no license for selling "wine."

The amount of the "fine" and the number of people you say were involved has risen, but the cops were often involved back when I was there.

You are in a lose-lose situation. You are seeking justice, you won't find it. Trying to will cost you more money, and possibly your life, or the life of your wife and child.

You asked for advice: cut your losses and get out.

EDIT: Spellchecker

Edited March 19, 2015 by HeijoshinCool

[South]

4 questions

How long have you been there/in Thailand?

Can you post the CCTV images?

What does your wife say/think?

What is your gut instinct?

[DLock]

Not a situation I'd like to find myself in.

I think you have a fork in the road - fight to the end or leave now.

Fighting to the end will have consequences, whether now or in the future, but you expose and embarrass some pretty powerful people, and they will do their best of that not to happen. Bad things are likely to happen.

Leaving now will cost you initially, but I would be thinking of my pregnant wife and young son. Perhaps they can go somewhere safe (off the island) while you take up the fight?

Of course, you could just shut up and do nothing...but they will be back.

But we have learned time and time again, the only way to get action in Thailand is to embarrass them internationally. Within Thailand is useless, because things like this are an everyday occurrence. You have to get on an International news website or better still, a newspaper for any action to happen.

You have the CCTV, you have witnesses, you have the 60,000 withdrawal slips (or bank book).

Imagine how simple it would be in CTH just gave you a sticker like a car registration sticker to prove you have paid...why don't they do that?

Good luck.

[evadgib]

1. Create a paper trail via the appropriate embassy & social media.

2. Run the affair past drummond.

HTH

1. Contacted the embassy - they can do nothing

...except let the authorities know of a threat to their nationals including a child that won't be taken lightly if esculated, and to offer valuable background prior to arrest. Neanderthal thugs usually come unstuck & leg it as soon as the tables are reversed. Edited March 19, 2015 by evadgib

[DLock]

Can you go meet with CTH in BKK if they won't come to you?

Personally I think they are the problem.

They need to stand behind their subscribers, provide some sort of evidence that you have a licence, and tell you how to deal with these thugs should they come around.

...and if you are a current subscriber and you do get a shake down, they should reimburse you...although I can see that opens the door for more scams.

That will force them to provide clear proof of your license so that this cannot happen.

I'd probably explore that route initially to try and recover my money and stop it happening again...and avoid problems.

[krisb]

Can you go meet with CTH in BKK if they won't come to you?

Personally I think they are the problem.

They need to stand behind their subscribers, provide some sort of evidence that you have a licence, and tell you how to deal with these thugs should they come around.

...and if you are a current subscriber and you do get a shake down, they should reimburse you...although I can see that opens the door for more scams.

That will force them to provide clear proof of your license so that this cannot happen.

I'd probably explore that route initially to try and recover my money and stop it happening again...and avoid problems.

I thought he said they weren't real cth employees?

The real issue here is the police turning their backs at the cop shop.

[krisb]

I didn't know you could take 60k out of an atm?