Australian businessman killed in condo fall

[lildragon]

I wonder if there are recorded statistics by death from falling from high rise buildings and a world ranking. It's a grim thought but I reckon Bangkok and Thailand would ranks in the top 3. Something seriously wrong here.

Edited March 30, 2015 by lildragon

[JOC]

>>and will further question the wife after she gets over her grief <<

Crocodile tears all the way to the bank!!

[chooka]

_{well he wasn't a "nobody" and I doubt if he had financial difficulties with this CV from Macquarie Bank}

_{Ellis Moate}

Director

_{Ellis has over 25 years business experience with major Australian and Global companies, including General Management responsibilities encompassing Commercial, Information Technology, Sales Management and National business accountability.}

_{During his time with Macquarie Marketing Ellis has worked with many major Australian and Global organisations to optimise their Sales and Marketing processes. Ellis has deep experience assisting his clients' retain, develop and grow their customers through - customer and market segmentation, benchmarking, process redesign, along with raining and coaching.}

_{Ellis has worked extensively throughout most countries in Asia in his business and consulting career, gaining first hand experience with the managerial issues of developing and implementing world class Sales and Marketing practices across the region.}

_{Ellis brings to all his projects a successful formula based on deep management experience, successful hands on consulting assignments, extensive international business exposure and a personal drive and energy that ensures the highest standards of customer satisfaction and project quality.}

_{another profile of him from this thai company Business Research Specialist....}

_{http://brs-thai.com/newsite/why-work-with-brs/our-team/}

To me that sounds like a CV for a dubious "Financial Advisor" aka snake oil-merchant!!

Why did this highly successful need to teach tennis, when in Thailand??

I know a lot of people who coach various sports, they don't get paid for it they just love the sport and enjoy being involved in the community. You don't have to be down and out to give a little of your time to others.

[andygunther]

If this keeps up, no farang will want to buy an condo above the 4th

floor.... Always mystified by these suicides. Farangs in their home

countries almost never commit suicide by jumping off of buildings.

Why do they do it here ? Something is not right.

" Preecha said the Australian might have financial difficulty...."

This is the classic police way to explain away these endless

suicides. How in god's name would a policeman who just

​showed up on the scene know what financial position the guy

was in ?? I call b********t.

I also have my doubts in all these suicides, but believe police makes it easy for themselves .... Suicide = Case closed

[gerry123]

I don't get the suicide angle. Even if lifes a bit tough Westerners don't usually jump off a building when they are depressed. Maybe it was a Kevorkian jump?

lets all pretend what Kevorkian means

[ianbardon]

the author of this post would not happen to Thai ?

splat.... splat..

............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

hysterical....highly ... strung... callus skint.... ...say no more,, RIP BUD

[bruceybonus]

I wonder if there are recorded statistics by death frok fall from high rise buildings and a world ranking. It's a grim thought but I reckon Bangkok and Thailand would ranks in the top 3. Something seriously wrong here.

Yep, there sure is and Thailand once again excels!

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/falls/by-country/

Edited March 30, 2015 by bruceybonus

[Neeranam]

What the hell is going on with these guys? Even if his wife is involved how you can choose to live with someone who can kill you? I mean there have to be signs if your partner intends to kill you right? Like always complaining about you especially about money and that you are a cheap charlie or something....so make you depressed and so on and then maybe use the right moment and make you jump or push you whatever...

Anyway it is always sad to hear these things. RIP. We urgently need some kind of group meetings for depressed westeners who live in this country who can't talk to no one about their problems... reading online does only make you more deperessed because you will only find more bad stories...

Any woman who knows the words "Cheap Charlie" I would suspect as these words are mostly by Thai prostitutes.

I have had 2 wealthy friends die at the hands of ex-working girls and there's absolutely nothing I could have done about it. Accidents - my arse.

[Daniel Ingalls]

Damn........Its not a Stock Market crash just yet! But when it does happen, be prepared for multiple suicidal jumps!

With drugs so wide spread, why do they continue to take the messy route? I myself would rather take a dozen or so sleeping pills, and dose it down with a few bottles of good imported beer. And if love ones are involved taking care of your remains, What better way to show your love, by a nice body in a permanent sleep mode.

Do you realize what a 10 floor or more jump would look like below? Do you realize what a mess it is? I feel sorry for the emergency crew that has to hose the area down before the blood and guts attract flies.

My gut feeling is most of these suicides deal with and unfaithful wife or girl friend, that wipe out his savings, has the car, the apartment paid for, and maybe even holder of his life insurance policy. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER A WOMAN HAS IN THAILAND.

The Thai government has made it clear, Farlung, go ahead and marry a Thai girl, we will insure she will be taken care of. Splurge and buy that house, put her name on your Bank account, buy that car in her name. Then when you die, everything is hers and her new boy friend! What goes on in Thailand, Stays in Thailand.

[bartobar]

Why are you so naive about emotional issues ?

A lady musn't be a schwarzennegger in order to do a thing like that

What you have to learn is th. missus are very good PLANNERS.

believe me or not. 12 years in LOS has taught me many lessons

As there are so many people speculation the wife must have pushed him which can be considered. But than again, us foreigners are often 20kg up more heavy and lots stronger.

Now I luckily never been in a physical confrontation with my missus or any Thai lady (or man for that matter) but I am 100% sure that my missus could never trow me over our condo balcony, even if she gave it all.

So the pushing seems quite odd to me too. I do also not believe there are so many real jumpers here but I ain't a policeman to find that out.

[PEAP]

For those of you who discuss such bizarre subjects you should contemplate the following:-

Rank

Method Name

Lethality (%)

Time (min)

Agony

1

Shotgun to head

99.0%

1.7

5.5

2

Cyanide

97.0%

1.8

51.5

3

Gunshot of head

97.0%

2.5

13

4

Shotgun to chest

96.4%

1.4

16

5

Explosives

96.4%

1.6

3.75

6

Hit by train

96.2%

17.92

7.08

7

Jump from height

93.4%

4.56

17.78

8

Gunshot of chest

89.5%

7

21.7

9

Hanging

89.5%

7

25.5

10

Auto crash

78.5%

20.5

30

11

Household toxins

77.5%

24

54.5

12

Set fire to self

76.5%

57

95

13

Structure fire

73.0%

52.5

91.5

14

Carbon Monoxide

71.0%

21.5

18

15

Hit by truck/auto

70.0%

19

63

16

Electrocution

65.5%

2.4

72

17

Gunshot of abdomen

65.0%

69

74

18

Drowning ocean/lake

63.0%

18.5

79

19

Stab of chest

58.5%

96

76

20

Cut throat

51.5%

15.5

86

21

Overdose illegal drugs

49.4%

116.25

5.25

22

Plastic bag over head

23.0%

7

23

23

Drowning bathtub

21.5%

18.5

79

24

Drowning swimming pool

21.5%

18.5

79

25

Stab of abdomen

12.5%

252

78

26

Overdose prescription drugs

12.3%

129

8.5

27

Overdose non-prescription drugs

6.0%

456

22.5

28

Cut wrists/arms/legs

6.0%

105

71

[lildragon]

I wonder if there are recorded statistics by death frok fall from high rise buildings and a world ranking. It's a grim thought but I reckon Bangkok and Thailand would ranks in the top 3. Something seriously wrong here.

Yep, there sure is and Thailand once again excels!

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/falls/by-country/

4th place not too shabby.

What's going on in saint kitts?

[Neeranam]

If rich Thai woman jumped from a high-rise, the farang husband would be taken to the station and probably beaten up while getting interviewed.

One procedure for Thai deaths and a totally different one for farang ones

[MiKT]

Be thankful you are not in oh so loverly Singy, where jumping off high rise buildings whilst being pursued by the Bill is not uncommon (it keeps the arrest statistics down). At least here they need paying in hard cash before they will give you a boost!

How can there be so much crap about suicide statistics in Thailand posted without anybody knowing what they actually are for Thailand or anywhere else, how about Syria, or Spain or Greece for instance, must be bad at the moment one can speculate?

And so much unhealthy crap about suicides in general. Its a sad, sad world and given the unhealthy mental level and anti-Thai inclinations of some TV posters it is only surprising there are not more suicides here.

Bugger, I see someone posted whilst I was typing. Ok I take back that statistical bit, but not the rest.

But how many are Thai lady's with farang husbands I wonder?

Edited March 30, 2015 by MiKT

[Tony125]

A study really needs to be done on how many deaths occur from falling off balconies or jumping off roofs in Thailand. I lived in USA most of my life and only saw a few deaths around the country from falling off balconies ----Thailand has wayyyyyyy too many.

[EyesWideOpen]

Damn........Its not a Stock Market crash just yet! But when it does happen, be prepared for multiple suicidal jumps!

With drugs so wide spread, why do they continue to take the messy route? I myself would rather take a dozen or so sleeping pills, and dose it down with a few bottles of good imported beer. And if love ones are involved taking care of your remains, What better way to show your love, by a nice body in a permanent sleep mode.

Do you realize what a 10 floor or more jump would look like below? Do you realize what a mess it is? I feel sorry for the emergency crew that has to hose the area down before the blood and guts attract flies.

My gut feeling is most of these suicides deal with and unfaithful wife or girl friend, that wipe out his savings, has the car, the apartment paid for, and maybe even holder of his life insurance policy. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER A WOMAN HAS IN THAILAND.

The Thai government has made it clear, Farlung, go ahead and marry a Thai girl, we will insure she will be taken care of. Splurge and buy that house, put her name on your Bank account, buy that car in her name. Then when you die, everything is hers and her new boy friend! What goes on in Thailand, Stays in Thailand.

I have heard accounts where in order to sort of close the case in favor of the grieving wife,

if the amount of money involved is large enough, the police will have their hand out

for their share from the wife/girlfriend.....

[lildragon]

Be thankful you are not in oh so loverly Singy, where jumping off high rise buildings whilst being pursued by the Bill is not uncommon (it keeps the arrest statistics down). At least here they need paying in hard cash before they will give you a boost!

How can there be so much crap about suicide statistics in Thailand posted without anybody knowing what they actually are for Thailand or anywhere else, how about Syria, or Spain or Greece for instance, must be bad at the moment one can speculate?

And so much unhealthy crap about suicides in general. Its a sad, sad world and given the unhealthy mental level and anti-Thai inclinations of some TV posters it is only surprising there are not more suicides here.

Bugger, I see someone posted whilst I was typing. Ok I take back that statistical bit, but not the rest.

But how many are Thai lady's with farang husbands I wonder?

Every case cannot be the evil Thai wife IMO But it can certainly be a factor. Poor building And saftey standards are more to blame. One wrong slip would send me over my balcony at my condo. Well either that are the convining Mrs

[lingyai]

Secret to not dying in Thailand

1. Dont drink to much and get in fights

2. If you are 65+ dont marry a woman 20+ years younger than you (you are not that hansum)

3. Does the business you are investing in sound sketcy / super speculative? Then don't invest.

Tada! you are still alive!

[Neeranam]

Why are you so naive about emotional issues ?

A lady musn't be a schwarzennegger in order to do a thing like that

What you have to learn is th. missus are very good PLANNERS.

believe me or not. 12 years in LOS has taught me many lessons

As there are so many people speculation the wife must have pushed him which can be considered. But than again, us foreigners are often 20kg up more heavy and lots stronger.

Now I luckily never been in a physical confrontation with my missus or any Thai lady (or man for that matter) but I am 100% sure that my missus could never trow me over our condo balcony, even if she gave it all.

So the pushing seems quite odd to me too. I do also not believe there are so many real jumpers here but I ain't a policeman to find that out.

They slip some pill in their drink first, of course.

[Neeranam]

Damn........Its not a Stock Market crash just yet! But when it does happen, be prepared for multiple suicidal jumps!

With drugs so wide spread, why do they continue to take the messy route? I myself would rather take a dozen or so sleeping pills, and dose it down with a few bottles of good imported beer. And if love ones are involved taking care of your remains, What better way to show your love, by a nice body in a permanent sleep mode.

Do you realize what a 10 floor or more jump would look like below? Do you realize what a mess it is? I feel sorry for the emergency crew that has to hose the area down before the blood and guts attract flies.

My gut feeling is most of these suicides deal with and unfaithful wife or girl friend, that wipe out his savings, has the car, the apartment paid for, and maybe even holder of his life insurance policy. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER A WOMAN HAS IN THAILAND.

The Thai government has made it clear, Farlung, go ahead and marry a Thai girl, we will insure she will be taken care of. Splurge and buy that house, put her name on your Bank account, buy that car in her name. Then when you die, everything is hers and her new boy friend! What goes on in Thailand, Stays in Thailand.

I have heard accounts where in order to sort of close the case in favor of the grieving wife,

if the amount of money involved is large enough, the police will have their hand out

for their share from the wife/girlfriend.....

Me too. It's hardly surprising when the biggest crooks of them all are in charge of investigating.

One CAN'T compare the Thai police to that of democratic countries.

Edited March 30, 2015 by Neeranam

[tom21]

Secret to not dying in Thailand

1. Dont drink to much and get in fights

2. If you are 65+ dont marry a woman 20+ years younger than you (you are not that hansum)

3. Does the business you are investing in sound sketcy / super speculative? Then don't invest.

Tada! you are still alive!

4, make sure your worth more alive than dead. I think this is the main one

[KonKorat]

they do make balcony's very low in a lot of condos,i nearly went over once,and would that have been called suicide?

[cocopops]

As there are so many people speculation the wife must have pushed him which can be considered. But than again, us foreigners are often 20kg up more heavy and lots stronger.

Now I luckily never been in a physical confrontation with my missus or any Thai lady (or man for that matter) but I am 100% sure that my missus could never trow me over our condo balcony, even if she gave it all.

So the pushing seems quite odd to me too. I do also not believe there are so many real jumpers here but I ain't a policeman to find that out.

Excellent point. For most Thai women, throwing or pushing a fully grown falang male off a balcony would be a difficult proposition.

Some attempts might succeed of course, particularly with the element of surprise, but it's impossible to deny that many would not.

We can therefore say that if a significant percentage of these suicides really are murders, large numbers of failed attempts using similar methods must have also taken place.

Have they?

Edited March 30, 2015 by cocopops

[slipperylobster]

Give the guy some respect. - "young Thai wife" her age and what he was wearing are not important.

All angles should be looked at.

If this was a complete surprise to his wife...perhaps she will later confirm that the man was broke and depressed. Most people can handle the loss of a job....and not immediately choose suicide just two weeks after discovering he needed more income.

No need to publish all this, agreed...but sorting it all out would require at least some kind of scrutiny. Relationships, finances, medical status, insurance, prior attempts, even drugs/alcohol. It all needs to be looked at.

Edited March 30, 2015 by slipperylobster

[slipperylobster]

As there are so many people speculation the wife must have pushed him which can be considered. But than again, us foreigners are often 20kg up more heavy and lots stronger.

Now I luckily never been in a physical confrontation with my missus or any Thai lady (or man for that matter) but I am 100% sure that my missus could never trow me over our condo balcony, even if she gave it all.

So the pushing seems quite odd to me too. I do also not believe there are so many real jumpers here but I ain't a policeman to find that out.

Excellent point. For most Thai women, throwing or pushing a fully grown falang male off a balcony would be a difficult proposition.

Some attempts might succeed of course, particularly with the element of surprise, but it's impossible to deny that many would not.

We can therefore say that if a significant percentage of these suicides really are murders, large numbers of failed attempts using similar methods must have also taken place.

Have they?

pushing would indeed be difficult for just one woman. but why not consider there was a few men who entered? it should at least be ruled out. a spiked drink, nap on the couch, a quick call downstairs....and done.

I am not saying this happened for this particular incident...but I suppose there may have been others that were staged. When you think about it....not very hard to do.

[slipperylobster]

Secret to not dying in Thailand

1. Dont drink to much and get in fights

2. If you are 65+ dont marry a woman 20+ years younger than you (you are not that hansum)

3. Does the business you are investing in sound sketcy / super speculative? Then don't invest.

Tada! you are still alive!

4, make sure your worth more alive than dead. I think this is the main one

Best insurance...for those who have been in unworkable marriages and have made relatives and wife upset.....is no insurance. Not saying that this was the case here....

[BlackJack]

When you write your Will make sure you put a clause in that says died in a suspicious or unnatural way

and then show it to your partner or beneficiary

Then if you die in a suspicious or unnatural way the sole beneficiary will be someone else - so if and I say if the worst happens they will get nothing and they know it.

Motive removed

RIP young man

[tigermonkey]

I wonder if there are recorded statistics by death frok fall from high rise buildings and a world ranking. It's a grim thought but I reckon Bangkok and Thailand would ranks in the top 3. Something seriously wrong here.

Yep, there sure is and Thailand once again excels!

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/falls/by-country/

4th place not too shabby.

What's going on in saint kitts?

Not so fast -- the 4th place is for deaths resulting from a fall, not for suicides. If you look a little deeper, it says that Thailand ranks 28th in the world for suicides.

Edited March 30, 2015 by tigermonkey

[Docno]

Too many jumpers in Thailand. Often a wife involved. Financial problems? Like a greedy wife? She got angry and pushed him over?

R.I.P.

Impressive. Those diminutive Thai ladies being able to launch their oversized farang partners over balconies. My Thai gf couldn't budge me if she took a run at it, and I'm nowhere near as big as many of the westerners walking about LOS.

[slipperylobster]

I wonder if there are recorded statistics by death frok fall from high rise buildings and a world ranking. It's a grim thought but I reckon Bangkok and Thailand would ranks in the top 3. Something seriously wrong here.

Yep, there sure is and Thailand once again excels!

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/falls/by-country/

4th place not too shabby.

What's going on in saint kitts?

Not so fast -- the 4th place is for deaths resulting from a fall, not for suicides. If you look a little deeper, it says that Thailand ranks 28th in the world for suicides.

Can that be broken down. I think it would be important to differentiate between total number of suicides by Thai people in contrast with foreign visitors/residents.