Just showing your ignorance. next

Or more likely a case of intentional DISTORTION as the clear goals of Iran to eliminate the state of Israel are shared by so many others in the world as well.

Their hate for Israel, blinds them to to the danger of a nuclear arms race in the ME. I also think such hate says more about the person than the topic in discussion!

Obviously not much of a life if all they can do is spread provable lies and distortions. IMO

And who exactly was it that started the nuclear arms race in the ME? The sole nuclear power in the Middle East with weapons pointed at every Arab, Iranian and European capital....Israel!

I know who my money is on for the sole global nuclear menace.

Please quote some credible sources.

James Bennet IS a credible source. What you seem to be looking for for is Judenfrei/Judenrein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenfrei

Just showing your ignorance. next

Or more likely a case of intentional DISTORTION as the clear goals of Iran to eliminate the state of Israel are shared by so many others in the world as well.

Their hate for Israel, blinds them to to the danger of a nuclear arms race in the ME. I also think such hate says more about the person than the topic in discussion!

Obviously not much of a life if all they can do is spread provable lies and distortions. IMO

Why don't you reply to the points that are raised instead of attacking the members personally?

I am giving my opinion to a post, it is my opinion which I am entitled to. In that regard I replied to the posts points, did I not? And if a person wants to be openly racist surely I am allowed to call him such. On another level if the cap fits etc!

Please quote some credible sources.

James Bennet IS a credible source. What you seem to be looking for for is Judenfrei/Judenrein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenfrei

Ridiculous hyperbole. ggold questioned Al Jazeera and wikipedia as reliable sources. now you invoke the Holocaust.

No-one is denying that.

Just showing your ignorance. next

Or more likely a case of intentional DISTORTION as the clear goals of Iran to eliminate the state of Israel are shared by so many others in the world as well.

Their hate for Israel, blinds them to to the danger of a nuclear arms race in the ME. I also think such hate says more about the person than the topic in discussion!

Obviously not much of a life if all they can do is spread provable lies and distortions. IMO

And who exactly was it that started the nuclear arms race in the ME? The sole nuclear power in the Middle East with weapons pointed at every Arab, Iranian and European capital....Israel!

I know who my money is on for the sole global nuclear menace.

more Distortion.

where is your credible link for such BS?

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by ggold

Just showing your ignorance. next

Or more likely a case of intentional DISTORTION as the clear goals of Iran to eliminate the state of Israel are shared by so many others in the world as well.

Their hate for Israel, blinds them to to the danger of a nuclear arms race in the ME. I also think such hate says more about the person than the topic in discussion!

Obviously not much of a life if all they can do is spread provable lies and distortions. IMO

Why don't you reply to the points that are raised instead of attacking the members personally?

He is pointing out that the points raised by the Israel-bashers are mostly lies and distortions and that it is easily proved. Should be be more polite about it?

Please quote some credible sources.

James Bennet IS a credible source. What you seem to be looking for for is Judenfrei/Judenrein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenfrei

Ridiculous hyperbole.

You suggested that a link was not credible, simply because one of the editors of The Atlantic Magazine is Jewish. Don't think that you fool anyone.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by Ulysses G.

If you say a link is worthless only because of some Jewish ethnic connection to the author, you are a racist Jew hating antisemite by definition.

nd who exactly was it that started the nuclear arms race in the ME? The sole nuclear power in the Middle East with weapons pointed at every Arab, Iranian and European capital....Israel!

I know who my money is on for the sole global nuclear menace.

more Distortion.

where is your credible link for such BS?

Better follow the thread more closely. I expand upon the link I made earlier concerning Israel's nuclear threats to the world.

"Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. ...We have the capability to take the world down with us.."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Writers.27_comments_on_the_strategy

I repeat..Israel is far more of a global nuclear menace than Iran who has a peaceful nuclear program. Oil approaching $30 a barrel..what do you expect them to do for their resources alternatives/

U Grant wrote

You suggested that a link was not credible, simply because one of the editors of The Atlantic Magazine is Jewish. Don't think that you fool anyone.

If I quoted a Shia Muslim American who worked as the bureau chief for Al Jazeera in Tehran, would you question his credibility on Iranian non belligerence?

Please quote credible independent sources.

"Most European capitals are targets for our air force.

Just like the American, Russian and Chinese air forces. That is how the MAD policy works.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by Ulysses G.

nd who exactly was it that started the nuclear arms race in the ME? The sole nuclear power in the Middle East with weapons pointed at every Arab, Iranian and European capital....Israel!

I know who my money is on for the sole global nuclear menace.

more Distortion.

where is your credible link for such BS?

Better follow the thread more closely. I expand upon the link I made earlier concerning Israel's nuclear threats to the world.

"Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. ...We have the capability to take the world down with us.."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Writers.27_comments_on_the_strategy

I repeat..Israel is far more of a global nuclear menace than Iran who has a peaceful nuclear program. Oil approaching $30 a barrel..what do you expect them to do for their resources alternatives/

Expanding on lies is not an argument.

Again with the wikipedia! something anyone can edit whether truth or lie!

Again where is a credible link something in the mainstream rather than a conspiracy laden website. Who has Israel threatened with nukes? They aren't even threatening Iran with Nukes and you make such stupid claims.

Well at 30$ a barrel why do they need nuclear? surely it's cheap enough for even the Iranians to use to generate power. such a worthless point even to make that a reason for.

With these despicable remarks about attacking Iran, Israel has revealed itself once and for all to be a rogue state lashing out on the world stage.

Something needs to be done about Israel. And quickly.

U Grant wrote

You suggested that a link was not credible, simply because one of the editors of The Atlantic Magazine is Jewish. Don't think that you fool anyone.

Please quote credible independent sources.

The Atlantic magazine is VERY credible source and you are quite happy to quote any Jew that agrees with anything that you have to say. What hypocrisy.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by Ulysses G.

U Grant wrote

You suggested that a link was not credible, simply because one of the editors of The Atlantic Magazine is Jewish. Don't think that you fool anyone.

If I quoted a Shia Muslim American who worked as the bureau chief for Al Jazeera in Tehran, would you question his credibility on Iranian non belligerence?

Please quote credible independent sources.

Ah for want of a credible source! Again with the racism! what is it with you and Muslims and Jews? You are not credible. or maybe that should be incredible!

Despite several mentions of it in this thread, no supporters of Israel seems willing to respond cogently to the idea that if Israel wants to have a say in the nuclear policies or abilities of another country, and wants 3rd party countries to act on it's behalf, then it is reasonable to insist that Israel itself complies with international agreements regarding nuclear matters.

U Grant wrote

You suggested that a link was not credible, simply because one of the editors of The Atlantic Magazine is Jewish. Don't think that you fool anyone.

Please quote credible independent sources.

The Atlantic magazine is VERY credible source and you are quite happy to quote any Jew that agrees with anything that you have to say. What hypocrisy.

Thanks for distorting my quote by not following forum rules and requoting a thread in its entirety.

Well, maybe if you were more credible, But why re-quote lies? Is this a new tactic asking for credible sources, there are no credible sources for lies, but you know that!

There is no forum rule against using snippets. Snippets are good. The rule is against editing clearly done to grossly distort intended meaning.

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I have done a cursory clean up of this thread. Stop the inflammatory, baiting and off-topic posts.

Continue at your own peril. The OP is very clear and limited in scope. Your posts will be limited to the subject or you will be suspended.

OBAMA ADMITS IRAN COULD CUT NUKE DEVELOPMENT TIME TO NEAR ZERO IN 13 YEARS

April 7, 2015

WASHINGTON (AP) — "Defending an emerging nuclear deal, President Barack Obama said Iran would be kept a year away from obtaining a nuclear weapon for more than a decade, but conceded Tuesday that the buffer period could shrink to almost nothing after 13 or more years.

Obama, whose top priority at the moment is to sell the framework deal to critics, was pushing back on the charge that the deal fails to eliminate the risk because it allows Iran to keep enriching uranium. He told NPR News that Iran will be capped for a decade at 300 kilograms — not enough to convert to a stockpile of weapons-grade material.

“What is a more relevant fear would be that in Year 13, 14, 15, they have advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium fairly rapidly, and at that point, the breakout times would have shrunk almost down to zero,” Obama said."

Obama’s flirtation with Iran raises suspicions

"Evidence is mounting that the Obama White House cannot be trusted to preserve the interests of Gulf States or their Arab allies. Were an Arab country perceived to be hostile to the U.S. or the international community, it would be attacked without hesitation. On the other hand, this administration is treating its favorite enemy with a silk glove instead of the iron fist it deserves. This sure feels like a pro-Iranian administration.

We are Iran’s neighbors in the potential firing line, not the U.S. or the Europeans." Full Story

Tuesday, 7 April 2015

Khalaf Ahmad Al Habtoor

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by NeverSure

Obama’s flirtation with Iran raises suspicions

"Evidence is mounting that the Obama White House cannot be trusted to preserve the interests of Gulf States or their Arab allies. Were an Arab country perceived to be hostile to the U.S. or the international community, it would be attacked without hesitation. On the other hand, this administration is treating its favorite enemy with a silk glove instead of the iron fist it deserves. This sure feels like a pro-Iranian administration.

We are Iran’s neighbors in the potential firing line, not the U.S. or the Europeans." Full Story

Tuesday, 7 April 2015

Khalaf Ahmad Al Habtoor

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Khalaf Ahmad Al Habtoor (UAE) had also, like Israel, nothing to do with the peacefull treaty from Lausanne...

UAE, like Israel had important economical benefits in the region due to the embargo emposed to the Iranians. Specifically oil, gas and weapons. (Read "the interest of the Gulf States and their Arab alies" from OP).

Do we need to be surprised that they're both disapointed with the future financial outcome ?

Ah yes, let's blame Obama and...fake any future military actions against Iran.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by Thorgal

Do we need to be surprised that they're both disapointed with the future financial outcome ?

Ah yes, let's blame Obama and...fake any future military actions against Iran.

What a crock. Several Arab states have said they are very concerned about Iran getting the bomb.

Saudi in particular has said it would need to pursue getting the bomb. Western allies in the ME have warned of nuclear proliferation if Iran is going to get the bomb.

This is about The Bomb. Obama's plan would by his own admission allow Iran to get The Bomb.

The countries having these meetings in Europe and the sanctions they have against Iran are about The Bomb.

The OP is about Israel not wanting Iran to get The Bomb. Arab countries have the same serious concern.

So while Iran supports terrorism throughout the Middle East and worries its neighbors as a result, despite all of that news and those statements you think its about money. There's no hope for this kind of thinking in the face of evidence to the contrary from so many countries.

It sounds like a good time for the Arab nations and possibly Israel to take some action of their own. I don't think anybody is going to stop them. I doubt that the US is going to get in their way.

I don't know what else these cowardly people need. At least one of them has nuclear weapons and bunker busters.

Didnt take Bibi long did it ?

Guys a real credit to his own ego.

Time to treat Israel as it treats others, slap it with a threat of sanctions if it continues to behave this way.

Acting the over indulged spoiled brat and still always demanding attention is getting very VERY old.

Besides that Israel has no grounds to say a word considering the way it acquired the bomb and its lack of cooperation with any UN inspectors... etc etc.... stones and glass houses n all that.

Israelis are fine killing defenseless civilians, they ran from Hezbollah, and would not dare face the Russians, who would surely back Iran.

The Russians have already backed down from Saudi Arabia who refused them an air corridoy to evacuate their embassy personal and they were forced to pick them up in Egypt.

Russia will never threaten Israel

They are closer than people know

Israel can take out Iran's entire nuclear program and have the bombers be home before their kids wake up for breakfast

Iran is a small and powerless country against modern war making

Their soldiers can barely fight ISIS

How can they expect to prevail against IAF warplanes they cant see?

Israel also has space based weapons which will hold at bay any other country, including Pakistan, as they also have military agreement with India

Israel is a major military power.

No one else comes close except USA

Do we need to be surprised that they're both disapointed with the future financial outcome ?

Ah yes, let's blame Obama and...fake any future military actions against Iran.

What a crock. Several Arab states have said they are very concerned about Iran getting the bomb.

Saudi in particular has said it would need to pursue getting the bomb. Western allies in the ME have warned of nuclear proliferation if Iran is going to get the bomb.

This is about The Bomb. Obama's plan would by his own admission allow Iran to get The Bomb.

The countries having these meetings in Europe and the sanctions they have against Iran are about The Bomb.

The OP is about Israel not wanting Iran to get The Bomb. Arab countries have the same serious concern.

So while Iran supports terrorism throughout the Middle East and worries its neighbors as a result, despite all of that news and those statements you think its about money. There's no hope for this kind of thinking in the face of evidence to the contrary from so many countries.

US consider an awful lot of sunni muslim countries as moderate. Its just because they are allied. Why only whining about these countries: Iran, Syria and Lebanon? Its because they are shia. Having Saudi Arabia that is spoonfed by the US doesnt make it a moderate muslim country

The sunni minority are dictating the life of the majority of Bahranis that are shia but are fully internationally supported when the country crackdown on the people that wants freedom. Usually rebelling at dictators are seen ok if its not against allies.

"One must think of the Sunni-Shiite balance (or IMBALANCE, rather). For many years now, most of the Islamist threat in the world comes from Sunni groups, not Shiite groups. Yes, there is the Shiite Hezbollah financed by Iran, but just look at the others : ISIL, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra (and other extremists in Syria), Boko Haram, Al Shabab : these are all Sunni. And, also consider sectarian troubles; for example in Pakistan, the violence is ALMOST ALWAYS Sunni on Shiite; most of the time, it is the Shiite worship places which are targeted by terrorists."

True words from another poster in another thread. I dont expect to get believers in this matter.

Do we need to be surprised that they're both disapointed with the future financial outcome ?

Ah yes, let's blame Obama and...fake any future military actions against Iran.

What a crock. Several Arab states have said they are very concerned about Iran getting the bomb.

Saudi in particular has said it would need to pursue getting the bomb. Western allies in the ME have warned of nuclear proliferation if Iran is going to get the bomb.

This is about The Bomb. Obama's plan would by his own admission allow Iran to get The Bomb.

The countries having these meetings in Europe and the sanctions they have against Iran are about The Bomb.

The OP is about Israel not wanting Iran to get The Bomb. Arab countries have the same serious concern.

So while Iran supports terrorism throughout the Middle East and worries its neighbors as a result, despite all of that news and those statements you think its about money. There's no hope for this kind of thinking in the face of evidence to the contrary from so many countries.

US consider an awful lot of sunni muslim countries as moderate. Its just because they are allied. Why only whining about these countries: Iran, Syria and Lebanon? Its because they are shia. Having Saudi Arabia that is spoonfed by the US doesnt make it a moderate muslim country

The sunni minority are dictating the life of the majority of Bahranis that are shia but are fully internationally supported when the country crackdown on the people that wants freedom. Usually rebelling at dictators are seen ok if its not against allies.

"One must think of the Sunni-Shiite balance (or IMBALANCE, rather). For many years now, most of the Islamist threat in the world comes from Sunni groups, not Shiite groups. Yes, there is the Shiite Hezbollah financed by Iran, but just look at the others : ISIL, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra (and other extremists in Syria), Boko Haram, Al Shabab : these are all Sunni. And, also consider sectarian troubles; for example in Pakistan, the violence is ALMOST ALWAYS Sunni on Shiite; most of the time, it is the Shiite worship places which are targeted by terrorists."

True words from another poster in another thread. I dont expect to get believers in this matter.

Israel is now contemplating military action against Iran in cooperation (with Saudi Arabia), I dont believe it will happen though.

Israel is so outof control. Over 200 nukes in their possession they are running around like bullies. Time for the U. S. to stop sending 2 plus billion per year. They want the U.S. to do their dirty work then when the U.S. won't do it they threaten everyone with irresponsible actions.

Trying to stop Iran from having nukes is entirely rational. Especially for Israel.

It is priority number 1 for the UAE and Saudi Arabia too. Forgive me for sounding like a looped recording.

UAE already has some of its territory illegally occupied by Iran.

I do find this thread somewhat amusing in that there is an assumption that Israel is the sole opponent of the Iranian policy. There is no mention of the very real concerns of many arab countries. The Iranian support of the Baharani uprising sent a very strong message to the Gulf states and to Saudi Arabia, and it is why Saudi Arabia rushed its military to support the Bahrain government. Israel is no longer enemy no.1 to many arab governments. An irritant, a pain in the arse, annoying, and some other things too, but the arabs have been able to keep Israel in check for quite some time because the arab leadership is also practical.

The western loudmouths start with the erroneous assumption that the arab world are an homogeneous group of poor disenfranchised country folk crushed under the heel of Israel. Many arabs no longer care about Israel. The reality is that it means nothing to them and has zero impact upon their lives. Israel was a convenient common enemy for the tired regimes of the past era. It is an easy way for militaristic groups to rally support, but for people concerned about economic opportunities, education and social justice, it is waste of time.

Today, the arab world does as it pleases and doesn't answer to anyone. When the UAE attacked Libyan rebels with Egyptian support, it was an action that was not cleared with NATO, nor with the USA. There was however a message sent to Israel, not to worry about the deployment of arab military might outside its border. That's the new reality. The arabs are not scared of Israel, and have come to live with it, even if there is no love lost between the two. Israel hasn't been supporting Shiites who seek to overthrow several of the arab governments, but Iran has provided long term tacit support. It is Iran that funds Hizbollah, not the arab world. It was Syria, supported by Iran who had long destabilized Lebanon and who allowed a defacto state within a state to exist and Lebanon has paid for that meddling in its affairs.

I laugh at the ignorance of so many of the Israel bashers who have no understanding of the arab world. I am no expert but I know that the arab world is concerned by Iran's desire to reassert itself as a dominant force in the region and to relive its glory days as a regional ruler. The Turkish leadership has those dreams too, and has been shocked by the chilly reception it has received in the arab world. Before there was French and British colonial occupation, there was the brutal savagery of the Ottoman Empire, and before that, the Persian Empire, both of whom who raped, pillaged and brutalized arabs for centuries. Arabs aren't stupid and they know their history. They indirectly helped the Europeans as a means of ridding themselves of the Turks, and they are not going to give up their independence to go back to being vassal states to be bullied and abused by a new Persian Empire. There is no way Sunnis are going to allow Shiite foreigners to ever have an advantage over them. Iranians are not arabs and are not welcome in the arab world despite the public displays of politeness between leaders.

Public display of politeness?

They openly hate each other and without the shared enemy of Israel which they were forced to move away from as they developed dependent economies, they have zero interest in Israel

The Saudi and Jordanian and Egyptian people have much to fear from a resurgent Iran,

And they are acting in concertz accordingly to their own defense of their own territory

Let's keep in mind, they watched in horror what was done to Khaddafy and they know Israel wouldn never have done something as horrible as what they did to Libya

Israel and Egypt are brothers as Israel came out of Egypt

They will never fight again against each others and Israel will defend Egypt if called upon