Russia offers brotherly respect, not fatherly lectures: Medvedev

[Baerboxer]

Tell that to the Crimean and the Ukraine people, and the west, for over running and seizing

territories, and scare flying your jets over Nato air space... Mr Medvedev....how are you kidding

there sir?

You might want to check a little more about the Crimea. There was a vote, and most wanted to join Russia. Read about Crimea's history, forced people movements and especially the bit where Ukrainian USSR boss Kruschev decided to "give" Crimea to the Ukraine.

Ukraine itself is a different story with the West backing the armed removal of a corrupt democratically elected pro-Russian leader. Odd how they can be so changeable with their views on democracy in US and EU when it suits.

No doubt Russia supports the ethnic Russians and pro Russian Ukrainians but strangely enough the US and EU support the ones that favor the West.

[No Apologist]

Nuclear power and Thailand??

Remember Tom Lehrer: "We will all go together, when we go".............

I knew there was something about you

[geriatrickid]

All the B/S about everyone not liking the PM in Thailand, J.Kerry has just given his best wishes to Thailand for their Holiday time.

The Russians are over the moon about it, one back bench MP from Canada speaks something to the press and here it is reported to be Canadas view ?? Most other trade and agreements seem to be ongoing despite out anti TVF friends daily drag down of Thailands events (death camps--brainwashing re-hab--compare to Siberia and N. Korea Zimbabwe) get a life minority accept some rocky situ, along with the good intentions. Where will your voices be after elections-----no one to blame again same before ??

The General and the junta are not Thailand. The best wishes are expressed to the nation of Thailand. No one is claiming that the self appointed "PM" of Thailand is not "liked". He may be a very affable chap. I don't know him personally, nor do you. Unfortunately, his undertaking of a military coup does not go down well in the civilized world where there is respect for the concept of free elections. If Nigeria, which is undergoing serious internal strife, and is capable of having a free and fair election including a peaceful change of government, then Thailand should be able to do it as well, especially since Thais consider themselves superior to Africans.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs (Canada), is not a back bench MP. He isn't a light weight either as both he and his PM were involved in the recent US-Cuba talks acting as facilitators. The existing international trade and other agreements are still in place, but new trade undertakings and additional agreements are on hiatus as they say. If Thailand wasn't on the international sh*t list, there may have been a different approach to the ongoing air safety crisis that has seen some countries restrict access to their airspace. The EU and others are currently reviewing their options with Thailand. Because they have yet to impose restrictions or a change in their existing agreements, doesn't mean they either accept or approve of the military coup.

If you really support a military coup and that is your mindset, nothing I can say or do will convince you that it was wrong. However, military coups are unacceptable. Know what else is unacceptable? The absolute lack of accountability and transparency of the Thai military business operation. Don't tell me or anyone that knows of the Thai military land holdings and business asset holdings that corruption is being stopped or that things are much better. You have no idea what the business operations of the Thai military are do you? Where else aside from countries like Zimbabwe, Russia, North Korea and China does the public subsidize the business operations of its military? There has never ever been a full disclosure of the investment and business income of the Thai military has there? Ever wonder why the Thai military needs to own so much non military use assets like hotels or golf courses? Ever ask why conscripts are put to work at these enterprises? Ever wonder how it is that a military with the highest ratio of generals manages to have these generals driving expensive imports and living in large lavish homes?

[geriatrickid]

Tell that to the Crimean and the Ukraine people, and the west, for over running and seizing

territories, and scare flying your jets over Nato air space... Mr Medvedev....how are you kidding

there sir?

As long as I know the "jets" (Tu-95 isn't a jet) fly in international airspace....USA is doing the same close to China and Russia.

Crimea had a vote....would you go against the democratic vote of the people.

Ukraine: Read what they wanted to do with the Russians after the coup. The eastern parts would have been happy if they were just allowed to speak their language and left in peace, but no that wasn't the plan of the Ukraine Nazis....

The Russian military regular flies its military bombers and jets into non hostile countries airspace or in close proximity to it. Is Sweden or Canada a threat to Russia? I don't think so. They don't do this to Russia, so why does Russia do this to them?

One can argue all one wants about the staged vote in Crimea. I happen to believe that the Crimea is a part of Russia. However, one does not solve such disputes by engaging in a military invasion, or the funding of violent militias or getting mixed up in the cold blooded murder of non combatant civilians by shooting down an airplane.

This is what Thailand is getting mixed up with. Russia is a country with a diseased and dying population, where the life expectancy of a male is approx. 60 years of age. The Russians have never ever contributed to Thailand's social advancement. Where was Russia when Thailand was about to fall apart during the last HIV crisis? Where was Russia when there were large outbreaks of infectious diseases? The EU and USA were in Thailand, paying for the social assistance and providing the scientists to manage HIV, TB, malaria, dengue etc.

Where was Russia during the great floods? The EU and USA were there to offer support and assistance. After the tsunami, who rushed in aid and expertise, because it wasn't the Russians. Here's a dose of reality for you: It is the democratic and free world who have helped lift Thailand out of poverty, not Russia. It is those same countries who have made life better for the majority of Thais,

This is why Thailand is being ridiculed.

[No Apologist]

Its only logical.. when the EU and US start to bully Thailand for having a junta other countries will take their place. China and Russia are winning because of the stupidity from the EU and US. But the EU and US have decided that having people killed in the street by red terrorists was better as having a junta and now they loose out on opportunities.

Can't say I did not see this coming.

Bullying Thailand? Ok, your comment is too intelligent to pass up. Let's just focus on Russia's recent history of 'bullying', say over the last couple years alone:

1) Legalizing street violence against gays.

2) Invading Ukraine, and shooting down passenger jets.

3) imprisoning people over freedom of speech as if it were the 17th century again.

Then if you want to take a slightly larger view of 'bullying' - mass genocide, being complicit in the holocaust. Brutally oppressing Poland for the next 25 years. On and on.

And when the US, UE, UK and United Nations bring up simple questions about human rights abuses, THAT'S what you call 'bullying'?

Edited April 11, 2015 by No Apologist

[SABloke]

Here's a question: Why does the US not call for democracy in countries that are absolute monarchies? The people of those countries didn't vote their monarchs into power.

[No Apologist]

Tell that to the Crimean and the Ukraine people, and the west, for over running and seizing

territories, and scare flying your jets over Nato air space... Mr Medvedev....how are you kidding

there sir?

You might want to check a little more about the Crimea. There was a vote, and most wanted to join Russia. Read about Crimea's history, forced people movements and especially the bit where Ukrainian USSR boss Kruschev decided to "give" Crimea to the Ukraine.

Ukraine itself is a different story with the West backing the armed removal of a corrupt democratically elected pro-Russian leader. Odd how they can be so changeable with their views on democracy in US and EU when it suits.

No doubt Russia supports the ethnic Russians and pro Russian Ukrainians but strangely enough the US and EU support the ones that favor the West.

I was living quite close to the border when that occurred, in fact, and your distanced propaganda on the matter is shallow for the sake of convenience, to put it mildly.

[No Apologist]

Human rights abuses: 'that's nothing - you support the red shirts!'

No freedom of speech: 'that's nothing - you support the red shirts!'

Closer and closer ties to the most oppressive authoritarian states in the world: 'that's nothing - you support the red shirts!'

i don't 'support the red shirts'. I never did.

But what I know, is that if the some diplomat politely questioning human rights abuses, is enough to freak some posters out as much as they are here, then something's wrong.

[No Apologist]

The Russian policy of 'minding your own business' is difficult for Americans to understand. Crimea is Russian. Get over it

HA! Yeah, Russia is known world wide for 'minding it's own business' - what a complete joke.

There's an old joke in Eastern Europe: 'How many neighboring countries does Russia have? None, they all belong to Russia.'

Now let's talk about the genocide of millions and millions of people: is that 'minding their own business'?

Let's talk about holding Poland under brutal communism for 25 years after the holocaust: was that 'minding their own business'?

Edited April 11, 2015 by No Apologist

[No Apologist]

Its only logical.. when the EU and US start to bully Thailand for having a junta other countries will take their place. China and Russia are winning because of the stupidity from the EU and US. But the EU and US have decided that having people killed in the street by red terrorists was better as having a junta and now they loose out on opportunities.

Can't say I did not see this coming.

I agree totally, the US has been stupid in so many ways and they are being sidelined because of their unjustified criticism and a complete misunderstanding of the situation here. Russia and China are befriending Thailand and America is criticising and trying to run Thailand's affairs to suit their ideology. Just who would you choose to be your friends given the circumstances?

It serves them right, they should learn that not every country is like the US (or wants to be) and that not everything they do is right - they don't seem to realise that democracy is not the panacea they make it out to be . Democracy is not a good fit with Thailand at the moment whereas benevolent or benign dictatorship if you want to call it that, is as perfect a form of government that you can have here at this present juncture.

They should put human beings with common sense in their diplomatic machine rather than robots that abide strictly by the hand book of pushing everyone around until they comply with what we want!!!

As usual, you claim to support Thailand by expressing your complete and utter disrespect for the actual people of Thailand.

Edited April 11, 2015 by No Apologist

[geriatrickid]

This thread has been an eye opener for me. On one side are those who applaud and encourage a growing relationship with Russia.

On the other, are those who are concerned by such an activity and who do not believe it serves the interests of Thailand.

What are some of the views of those who support closer relations? They:

- support the military coup

- are opposed to free elections in Thailand and civilian rule where the military is accountable to the people

- support the violent annexation of Crimea

- are unconcerned by the very long list of Russian human rights abuses

- despise the USA

- are unconcerned that while the free world has condemned Russia's illegal activities including the support of violent armed paramilitaries, fomenting of sectarian strife, and mass slaughter of non combatants, Thailand wishes to cosy up to the pariah state of Russia

- espouse their anti corruption views, but see nothing wrong with Thailand getting close to one of the most corrupt countries on the planet

- are not the least bit troubled that Russia has contributed nothing to the social development of Thailand never participating in multinational efforts to address poverty, malnutrition, social justice, and education.

- are oblivious to the fact that outside of child pornography and computer crime, Russia has not invested in Thailand's economy while the countries expressing concern are the one's who purchase the most valuable of Thailand's exports and who have invested heavily in Thailand

Know what? I might not be popular with my concern about this new relationship with Russia, but I know right from wrong.

I'd rather be in the group that is not supportive of the relationship.

[Strangebrew]

Here is what to expect in the near future US dependence on Arab oil will drop to zero due to the fact of an abundance shale oil that the US has invented an effective process to extract it. Also within 10 year the internal combustion engine will go the of the steam engine now that another invention of a new battery just announced to the world, At present US has hydro electric, solar, wind, and wave produced electricity not to mention nuclear produced. When the oil runs out in the middle east who are you going to get it from? Take a look how China dose thing they over fish the seas then cry there people are hungry The over farm the land now crops fail more often. The water is polluted so bad that even cockroaches avoid it. That last great thing they invented was gunpowder, correct me if I'm wrong. Now What has Russia invented? Vodka and how drunk one can get. Now Thailand well they invented cure for Ebola,Aids and countless others right? Or was all that hype B.S.?

[FangFerang]

The headlkne should have been "Comrade, we sell you asbestos and you sell us rice. We give your people cancer, and you feed my people. Good deal...yes?"

[Alwyn]

wow.. what a hypocrite

[Dannyboy666]

This thread has been an eye opener for me. On one side are those who applaud and encourage a growing relationship with Russia.

On the other, are those who are concerned by such an activity and who do not believe it serves the interests of Thailand.

What are some of the views of those who support closer relations? They:

- support the military coup

- are opposed to free elections in Thailand and civilian rule where the military is accountable to the people

- support the violent annexation of Crimea

- are unconcerned by the very long list of Russian human rights abuses

- despise the USA

- are unconcerned that while the free world has condemned Russia's illegal activities including the support of violent armed paramilitaries, fomenting of sectarian strife, and mass slaughter of non combatants, Thailand wishes to cosy up to the pariah state of Russia

- espouse their anti corruption views, but see nothing wrong with Thailand getting close to one of the most corrupt countries on the planet

- are not the least bit troubled that Russia has contributed nothing to the social development of Thailand never participating in multinational efforts to address poverty, malnutrition, social justice, and education.

- are oblivious to the fact that outside of child pornography and computer crime, Russia has not invested in Thailand's economy while the countries expressing concern are the one's who purchase the most valuable of Thailand's exports and who have invested heavily in Thailand

Know what? I might not be popular with my concern about this new relationship with Russia, but I know right from wrong.

I'd rather be in the group that is not supportive of the relationship.

. Thank You...

[Langsuan Man]

[Dannyboy666]

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[billd766]

So the people that brought you Chernobyl want to build a nuclear power plant in Thailand, a country that can't keep its obsolete trains on their tracks.

Where does it say that in the OP?

It does say this though.

quote

"SY : DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE INTERESTED IN |HELPING THAILAND BUILD A NUCLEAR POWER STATION?

DM : It is a decision, a choice to be made. Obviously, nuclear energy requires utmost attention. It's an issue that is taken very seriously after Fukushima. I'll tell you, first, that it's viewed very seriously in Russia, especially in the aftermath of the 1986 accident in Chernobyl. Second, the reactors we currently use are based on different principles. And third, this is perhaps the least expensive energy source, no matter how you look at it."

[zydeco]

So the people that brought you Chernobyl want to build a nuclear power plant in Thailand, a country that can't keep its obsolete trains on their tracks.

Where does it say that in the OP?

It does say this though.

quote

"SY : DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE INTERESTED IN |HELPING THAILAND BUILD A NUCLEAR POWER STATION?

DM : It is a decision, a choice to be made. Obviously, nuclear energy requires utmost attention. It's an issue that is taken very seriously after Fukushima. I'll tell you, first, that it's viewed very seriously in Russia, especially in the aftermath of the 1986 accident in Chernobyl. Second, the reactors we currently use are based on different principles. And third, this is perhaps the least expensive energy source, no matter how you look at it."

My God, sometimes people on this forum are dense beyond all imagining.

[LannaGuy]

cozying up to China and Russia? that's the direction Thailand is heading? surely not even the greatest Junta lovers on TVF can imagine that is good in the longer term?