Clinton faces promise, risk of being seen as 3rd Obama term

[Jingthing]

Not sure this is world news

Why not shift all this USA specific stuff to the home country forums?

You don't see much about the UK elections which are 2 weeks away not 2 years,.....

World news forum, mate.

UK has much less global impact than the US. Sorry.

[MaxYakov]

Anyone could fake a good economy by running deficits and trying to spend out of it. Under Obama the US debt will have doubled, adding more debt to the US than all of the other presidents combined for well over 200 years.

The US national debt was about 10 tril when Obama took office and today it is over 18 tril. The guy still has about 20 more months to conduct his train wreck.

Let's get real here.

Bush and previous administrations own about 16 trillion of the debt.

Bush left 10 trillion debt + interest + 2 wars + a jobs/housing/financial crisis.

Let's allocate about 10% of the debt to Obama to be fair.

OK. And he took office initially in 2013, right?

US Hist Natl Debt Source (and this is behind by 6 months)

Edited April 22, 2015 by MaxYakov

[Jingthing]

Talk to the website.

World news forum.

End of.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

Anyone could fake a good economy by running deficits and trying to spend out of it. Under Obama the US debt will have doubled, adding more debt to the US than all of the other presidents combined for well over 200 years.

The US national debt was about 10 tril when Obama took office and today it is over 18 tril. The guy still has about 20 more months to conduct his train wreck.

Let's get real here.

Bush and previous administrations own about 16 trillion of the debt.

Bush left 10 trillion debt + interest + 2 wars + a jobs/housing/financial crisis.

Let's allocate about 10% of the debt to Obama to be fair.

OK. And he took office initially in 2013, right?

US Hist Natl Debt Source (and this is behind by 6 months)

us_hist_nat_debt.jpeg

Tell me please, what is the total of 7 years interest on the Bush 10m trillion?

Then add the cost of 2 Bush wars, Right? Lets be fair.

How about the Bush housing, jobs, financial crisis? Lets add that too.

Now you see how we allocate around 10% of the debt to the current administration.

[chuckd]

Anyone could fake a good economy by running deficits and trying to spend out of it. Under Obama the US debt will have doubled, adding more debt to the US than all of the other presidents combined for well over 200 years.

The US national debt was about 10 tril when Obama took office and today it is over 18 tril. The guy still has about 20 more months to conduct his train wreck.

Let's get real here.

Bush and previous administrations own about 16 trillion of the debt.

Bush left 10 trillion debt + interest + 2 wars + a jobs/housing/financial crisis.

Let's allocate about 10% of the debt to Obama to be fair.

I believe figures for Obama Administration are as of 12/2014.

our post. The reo the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush at the end of his last budget, FY 2009.

George W. Bush: Added $5.849 trillion, a 101% increase to the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton's last budget, FY 2001.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm

There is one glaring problem with your post. The last budget request from Bush was never passed until after he left office in 2009 and Obama and the Democratic congress took the reins.

Bush's last budget request called for spending a total of $3.107 Trillion And revenues of $2.7 Trillion resulting in a proposed deficit of $407 Billion. This budget request was never voted on and the government was run on continuing resolutions until March of 2009.

The Bush budget then had been changed to a spending bill in the amount of $3.518 Trillion with revenues of $2.107 Trillion.

Bush had requested a deficit of $407 Billion.

After Obama, Reid, Peloso, et al, got through with it the deficit had grown to $1.413 Trillion...an increase of over $1Trillion which ALL was added to the national debt.

Obama signed it into law on March 11, 2009.

The last Bush budget was for fiscal year 2008...not 2009.

[NeverSure]

If Obama could be president for 100 years there are some people who would still be blaming everything he did on Bush.

Bush is long gone, Obama has been president for so long he's winding down his final term yet I keep hearing how Bush is responsible for the Obama Presidency.

No wonder there are people lemmings who voted for Obama.

[Publicus]

If Obama could be president for 100 years there are some people who would still be blaming everything he did on Bush.

Bush is long gone, Obama has been president for so long he's winding down his final term yet I keep hearing how Bush is responsible for the Obama Presidency.

No wonder there are people lemmings who voted for Obama.

Doesn't the right ever get tired of saying this about the people who present factual information of the post-Bush economic recovery and expansion?

Any and every time we point out Prez Obama has hauled the US out of the Bush economic and financial abyss, the right jumps up to falsely claim there hasn't been any economic or financial recovery.

Doesn't the right ever get tired of denying the recovery and of forever trying to say Prez Obama screwed the pooch when the screwing was done during the Bush presidency? Completely and entirely?

Nope.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Publicus

[Publicus]

Let's get real here.

Bush and previous administrations own about 16 trillion of the debt.

Bush left 10 trillion debt + interest + 2 wars + a jobs/housing/financial crisis.

Let's allocate about 10% of the debt to Obama to be fair.

OK. And he took office initially in 2013, right?

US Hist Natl Debt Source (and this is behind by 6 months)

us_hist_nat_debt.jpeg

Tell me please, what is the total of 7 years interest on the Bush 10m trillion?

Then add the cost of 2 Bush wars, Right? Lets be fair.

How about the Bush housing, jobs, financial crisis? Lets add that too.

Now you see how we allocate around 10% of the debt to the current administration.

Who is "we"?

Everyone except the extreme marginal far out right.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

Anyone could fake a good economy by running deficits and trying to spend out of it. Under Obama the US debt will have doubled, adding more debt to the US than all of the other presidents combined for well over 200 years.

The US national debt was about 10 tril when Obama took office and today it is over 18 tril. The guy still has about 20 more months to conduct his train wreck.

Let's get real here.

Bush and previous administrations own about 16 trillion of the debt.

Bush left 10 trillion debt + interest + 2 wars + a jobs/housing/financial crisis.

Let's allocate about 10% of the debt to Obama to be fair.

OK. And he took office initially in 2013, right?

US Hist Natl Debt Source (and this is behind by 6 months)

us_hist_nat_debt.jpeg

Tell me please, what is the total of 7 years interest on the Bush 10m trillion?

Then add the cost of 2 Bush wars, Right? Lets be fair.

How about the Bush housing, jobs, financial crisis? Lets add that too.

Now you see how we allocate around 10% of the debt to the current administration.

Who is "we"?

We?

I'm talking bout the people that have mastered simple math.

[NeverSure]

Who is "we"?

Everyone except the extreme marginal far out right.

So, no matter how many times you're shown that the economy hasn't recovered for the average American, and no matter how many times you're shown that Obama will have doubled the national debt with his sleight of hand, you're still going to think what you choose to think and ignore the facts. Dandy.

There is an extreme marginal far out left, you know.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

Who is "we"?

Everyone except the extreme marginal far out right.

So, no matter how many times you're shown that the economy hasn't recovered for the average American, and no matter how many times you're shown that Obama will have doubled the national debt with his sleight of hand, you're still going to think what you choose to think and ignore the facts. Dandy.

There is an extreme marginal far out left, you know.

"The economy hasn't recovered for the average American." What are you talking about?

Have you been in a coma the last 6 years? Or maybe watching some depressing, conservative, fake news channel by chance? I know some people that watch that stuff, and man, they are depressed. They think the sky is falling.

Let me tell you. The USA pulled out of the Bush housing, jobs and financial crisis.

The dollar is strong, oil prices down, things are booming in the USA.

In fact, many Americans are retiring early due to the fact their retirement accounts are up 208% since Obama turned around the economy.

Did you know there are over 200 million Americans with retirement accounts invested in the US Market? Looking sweet.

Take me for example. I'm one of the 'unemployed' natives you are talking about. Kicking back in the tropics, living on the capital gains.

Thanks Obama.

Edited April 22, 2015 by jamesjohnsonthird

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed. You might want to consider staying on topic.

I think we can do without the mathematical wizardry on this thread.

[thaibeachlovers]

Economists at Princeton University, studied the last 16 presidential terms—from Harry Truman’s second to Mr Obama’s first—to find out why the economy has grown faster under Democrats.

Since 1961 the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24,” said Bill Clinton in 2012. “In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66m private-sector jobs. So what’s the jobs score? Republicans 24million, Democrats 47million.

Since the second world war the economy has done better under Democratic presidents, who have overseen more job creation and higher stockmarket returns than Republican leaders.

Just saying "jobs" is meaningless if those jobs are part time or involve saying "would you like fries with that".

Only real, full time jobs should be counted.

[thaibeachlovers]

Who is "we"?

Everyone except the extreme marginal far out right.

So, no matter how many times you're shown that the economy hasn't recovered for the average American, and no matter how many times you're shown that Obama will have doubled the national debt with his sleight of hand, you're still going to think what you choose to think and ignore the facts. Dandy.

There is an extreme marginal far out left, you know.

"The economy hasn't recovered for the average American." What are you talking about?

Have you been in a coma the last 6 years? Or maybe watching some depressing, conservative, fake news channel by chance? I know some people that watch that stuff, and man, they are depressed. They think the sky is falling.

Let me tell you. The USA pulled out of the Bush housing, jobs and financial crisis.

The dollar is strong, oil prices down, things are booming in the USA.

In fact, many Americans are retiring early due to the fact their retirement accounts are up 208% since Obama turned around the economy.

Did you know there are over 200 million Americans with retirement accounts invested in the US Market? Looking sweet.

Take me for example. I'm one of the 'unemployed' natives you are talking about. Kicking back in the tropics, living on the capital gains.

Thanks Obama.

Oil prices are not down due to Obama. He is on record as saying the price of energy will have to rise.

The 1% are doing fine, but the millions on food stamps and welfare are not. Middle class families have seen a reduction in their take home pay.

I'm so happy that you're doing OK though.

Is this your song?

Someone's sleeping on the sidewalk

As the winter sun goes down

Someone's drinking cold champagne

In another part of town

And the only thing he thinks about

As he sips his glass of wine

"It sure feels good sitting here tonight

Now that I've got mine"

I've got mine, I've got mine

This isn't such a bitter world

'Cause I've got mine

Someone's wandering the streets tonight

No way to warm his hands

Someone's turning up their fireplace

Making travel plans

His mind is on some sandy beach

Where the sun is gonna shine

He thinks, "I don't have to hang around

Now that I've got mine"

You see them in their limousines

You see the way they stare

But they don't see us looking back

Because they don't really care

They say, "I've got mine, I've got mine

The world is as it's meant to be

'Cause I've got mine"

So I make a small donation

What more can I do?

You know I didn't make this world

I'm in it just like you

I've worked all my life on this house of cards

To keep it all in line

I can't take care of everyone

Now that I've got mine

There's another kind of poverty

That only rich men know

A moral malnutrition

That starves their very souls

And they can't be saved by money

They're all running out of time

And all the while they're thinkin'

"It's okay 'cause I've got mine"

I've got mine, I've got mine

I don't want a thing to change

'Cause I've got mine

I've got mine, I've got mine

Songwriters

FREY, GLENN LEWIS / TEMPCHIN, JACK

[Credo]