I don't think we're racist

[cumgranosalum]

I think what cumgranosalum means is that it's only racism when white people do it. Let's all think about that. That white people are different from everyone one else because only they can be racist. Uh oh...

If I got this response from a 13 year old, i'd explain the faults behind the reasoning....as I assume you are older than that, I really think you need to sit down and finally get to grips with the issues yourself before making such facile comments.

It amazes me how many people feel they can comment on the topic of racism when in reality they have absolutely no idea what racism entails. You can normally spot them by the comments I posted above, they are also usually in denial and they think that by quoting definitions in isolation from dictionaries or google somehow gives their baseless arguments some kind of profundity.

I would have thought it behoves anyone who wishes to take part in a conversation such as this to at least familiarise themselves with the basics of the topic rather than blurt out the same old cliches and prejudices, the irony of which seems to escape them.

[Naam]

Why should LOS grant easy citizenship.

why would anybody want LOS citizenship?

[KarenBravo]

I think what cumgranosalum means is that it's only racism when white people do it. Let's all think about that. That white people are different from everyone one else because only they can be racist. Uh oh...

If I got this response from a 13 year old, i'd explain the faults behind the reasoning....as I assume you are older than that, I really think you need to sit down and finally get to grips with the issues yourself before making such facile comments.

It amazes me how many people feel they can comment on the topic of racism when in reality they have absolutely no idea what racism entails. You can normally spot them by the comments I posted above, they are also usually in denial and they think that by quoting definitions in isolation from dictionaries or google somehow gives their baseless arguments some kind of profundity.

I would have thought it behoves anyone who wishes to take part in a conversation such as this to at least familiarise themselves with the basics of the topic rather than blurt out the same old cliches and prejudices, the irony of which seems to escape them.

Funny, but when I asked a person of colour (I'm white) why he was calling me a racist term, he said that it wasn't racist and only (insert derogatory name for whitey) could be racist.

Maybe you should come down from your ivory tower and join the rest of us.........

[Time Traveller]

Racism is alive and well in the USA (Baltimore riots, and other issues well known to the world). On the skytrain, a lady asked my wife to get out of her seat, because of how she looked. I didn't fully comprehend what she said, 'till she was already off (or I would have pushed my limited free speech rights over the line in LOS). I have been in several restaurants who turned away blacks and dark skinned locals. They cannot do that in most civilized countries (even Japan, I suspect they can't do that, but I'm not certain). I think it's more the overt racism that I see that bothered me in LOS. In the USA, it's more subtle, police pull over my coworkers with amazing frequency. Most people like my wife in the USA, and accept her (except for this cutthroat money hunger to send abroad issue she's got that's destroying us).

I sympathize with your experience of the attitudes of bigots. But you're not doing your cause any favors by referring to countries as civilized or not civilized. That sounds just bigoted as the people you're complaining about.

In fact, you don't even seem to understand what racism is. Most places you will experience people with biases against outsiders. This is not racism.

Maybe you've been fooled by Al Sharpton or the American media, but racism almost does not exist in the US. What you're referring to is called racial discrimination - completely different.

Edited May 2, 2015 by Time Traveller

[cumgranosalum]

I think what cumgranosalum means is that it's only racism when white people do it. Let's all think about that. That white people are different from everyone one else because only they can be racist. Uh oh...

If I got this response from a 13 year old, i'd explain the faults behind the reasoning....as I assume you are older than that, I really think you need to sit down and finally get to grips with the issues yourself before making such facile comments.

It amazes me how many people feel they can comment on the topic of racism when in reality they have absolutely no idea what racism entails. You can normally spot them by the comments I posted above, they are also usually in denial and they think that by quoting definitions in isolation from dictionaries or google somehow gives their baseless arguments some kind of profundity.

I would have thought it behoves anyone who wishes to take part in a conversation such as this to at least familiarise themselves with the basics of the topic rather than blurt out the same old cliches and prejudices, the irony of which seems to escape them.

Funny, but when I asked a person of colour (I'm white) why he was calling me a racist term, he said that it wasn't racist and only (insert derogatory name for whitey) could be racist.

Maybe you should come down from your ivory tower and join the rest of us.........

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

Edited May 2, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[willyumiii]

"PEOPLE OF COLOR"

I get confused when people refer to " people of color"!

We all have color, don't we?

There really are no white, red ,black or yellow people.

We are all shades of brown, some lighter, some darker.

The only people who are not "people of color" are the transparent people.

and I can see right through those people!

[Asheron]

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

As you have no way of defending a "black" persons racism against a "white" person (because according to you only "white" people are racists) you resort to that kind of reply. How very... "liberal" of you.

[KarenBravo]

I think what cumgranosalum means is that it's only racism when white people do it. Let's all think about that. That white people are different from everyone one else because only they can be racist. Uh oh...

If I got this response from a 13 year old, i'd explain the faults behind the reasoning....as I assume you are older than that, I really think you need to sit down and finally get to grips with the issues yourself before making such facile comments.

It amazes me how many people feel they can comment on the topic of racism when in reality they have absolutely no idea what racism entails. You can normally spot them by the comments I posted above, they are also usually in denial and they think that by quoting definitions in isolation from dictionaries or google somehow gives their baseless arguments some kind of profundity.

I would have thought it behoves anyone who wishes to take part in a conversation such as this to at least familiarise themselves with the basics of the topic rather than blurt out the same old cliches and prejudices, the irony of which seems to escape them.

Funny, but when I asked a person of colour (I'm white) why he was calling me a racist term, he said that it wasn't racist and only (insert derogatory name for whitey) could be racist.

Maybe you should come down from your ivory tower and join the rest of us.........

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

No, it's not how I "see" the world. It's reality that actually happened.

[forumuser10]

I would say, first off, some countries in the west are more racist than others. And also, some countries in Asia are more racist than others. If we speak about Thailand in general, yes, they are extremely rasist. But we can not blame em, as many of us westerners love to play that game with them. We love to be pointed out as whiteys.

[cumgranosalum]

I think what cumgranosalum means is that it's only racism when white people do it. Let's all think about that. That white people are different from everyone one else because only they can be racist. Uh oh...

If I got this response from a 13 year old, i'd explain the faults behind the reasoning....as I assume you are older than that, I really think you need to sit down and finally get to grips with the issues yourself before making such facile comments.

It amazes me how many people feel they can comment on the topic of racism when in reality they have absolutely no idea what racism entails. You can normally spot them by the comments I posted above, they are also usually in denial and they think that by quoting definitions in isolation from dictionaries or google somehow gives their baseless arguments some kind of profundity.

I would have thought it behoves anyone who wishes to take part in a conversation such as this to at least familiarise themselves with the basics of the topic rather than blurt out the same old cliches and prejudices, the irony of which seems to escape them.

Funny, but when I asked a person of colour (I'm white) why he was calling me a racist term, he said that it wasn't racist and only (insert derogatory name for whitey) could be racist.

Maybe you should come down from your ivory tower and join the rest of us.........

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

No, it's not how I "see" the world. It's reality that actually happened.

QED

[cumgranosalum]

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

As you have no way of defending a "black" persons racism against a "white" person (because according to you only "white" people are racists) you resort to that kind of reply. How very... "liberal" of you.

And their you have it a classic racist response and an attempt at a false dichotomy. How can inventing a racist stereotype and then accusing them of being racist possibly mitigate your own racism in any way?

[Asheron]

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

As you have no way of defending a "black" persons racism against a "white" person (because according to you only "white" people are racists) you resort to that kind of reply. How very... "liberal" of you.

And their you have it a classic racist response and an attempt at a false dichotomy. How can inventing a racist stereotype and then accusing them of being racist possibly mitigate your own racism in any way?

There. If you are going to try and play smart and use "difficult" words it helps your case if you know the difference between their and there.

So called "black" people can very well be racist against so called "white" people as racism has no "color" restrictions, nothing is "invented" regarding that. Stating anything else is pretense of knowledge.

Furthermore, you'll get much further in life if you dont defame/libel everyone who doesn't agree with you.

[cumgranosalum]

" a person of colour" Really?? Is that what you say? Is that how you see the world?

As you have no way of defending a "black" persons racism against a "white" person (because according to you only "white" people are racists) you resort to that kind of reply. How very... "liberal" of you.

And their you have it a classic racist response and an attempt at a false dichotomy. How can inventing a racist stereotype and then accusing them of being racist possibly mitigate your own racism in any way?

There. If you are going to try and play smart and use "difficult" words it helps your case if you know the difference between their and there.

So called "black" people can very well be racist against so called "white" people as racism has no "color" restrictions, nothing is "invented" regarding that. Stating anything else is pretense of knowledge.

Furthermore, you'll get much further in life if you dont defame/libel everyone who doesn't agree with you.

So to some up, apart from pointing out a typo you haven't a single relevant thing to say on the matter except and instead resort to a rather weak ad hominem attack?

I'm a bit concerned you find plain logic "smart" though.

Edited May 5, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[rayongchelsea]

Toni Morrison the Nobel prize winner wrote an essay on how " color, and how people see it "was very much discriminatory within the black community at her university..the lighter the more superior....the conclusion was that everybody wasn't to differentiate themselves one way or another, color just being one method...it's just innate..

[Asheron]

There. If you are going to try and play smart and use "difficult" words it helps your case if you know the difference between their and there.

So called "black" people can very well be racist against so called "white" people as racism has no "color" restrictions, nothing is "invented" regarding that. Stating anything else is pretense of knowledge.

Furthermore, you'll get much further in life if you dont defame/libel everyone who doesn't agree with you.

So to some up, apart from pointing out a typo you haven't a single relevant thing to say on the matter except and instead resort to a rather weak ad hominem attack?

I'm a bit concerned you find plain logic "smart" though.

Clearly not a typo. A typo would have been for instance "theer". Or is that "some up" also a typo? Surely you meant "sum up"? If english is your native language i fully understand why you don't understand things written in this thread.

But it's not me that don't have any kind of relevant things to say as you are saying that only white people can be racists and anyone not agreeing with you are racists.

[madmax6889]

Why should LOS grant easy citizenship.

you mean why should "we" grant them citizenship . they have nothing to offer everything to gain and only harm our nations.. while in reverse use getting citizenship of their countries they have everything to gain and nothing to offer us...

yes 3rd world is racist.. it is their nature.. i guess you could say outside of northern European people... nobody else has guilt about being racist greedy and selfish..

christian socialist brainwashing..

p.s. im not one of you folk... so i can look at this from an outside view...

as somebody born in a less than nice part of the world.. who ended up in the "west"

"westeners" as very scared to sound "racist" even when it is required in some situations..

even when somebody is destroying their country and spitting hate at them they dont say something.. pathetic..

i guess it will all collapse in 20 years or so... and well start again new dark ages maybe

[cumgranosalum]

There. If you are going to try and play smart and use "difficult" words it helps your case if you know the difference between their and there.

So called "black" people can very well be racist against so called "white" people as racism has no "color" restrictions, nothing is "invented" regarding that. Stating anything else is pretense of knowledge.

Furthermore, you'll get much further in life if you dont defame/libel everyone who doesn't agree with you.

So to some up, apart from pointing out a typo you haven't a single relevant thing to say on the matter except and instead resort to a rather weak ad hominem attack?

I'm a bit concerned you find plain logic "smart" though.

Clearly not a typo. A typo would have been for instance "theer". Or is that "some up" also a typo? Surely you meant "sum up"? If english is your native language i fully understand why you don't understand things written in this thread.

But it's not me that don't have any kind of relevant things to say as you are saying that only white people can be racists and anyone not agreeing with you are racists.

Now you are simply emphasising your own ignorance on the matter.

You have not got a valid argument on the topic so instead you make ridiculous and baseless definitions about what you think a "typo" is?

[cumgranosalum]

Why should LOS grant easy citizenship.

you mean why should "we" grant them citizenship . they have nothing to offer everything to gain and only harm our nations.. while in reverse use getting citizenship of their countries they have everything to gain and nothing to offer us...

yes 3rd world is racist.. it is their nature.. i guess you could say outside of northern European people... nobody else has guilt about being racist greedy and selfish..

christian socialist brainwashing..

p.s. im not one of you folk... so i can look at this from an outside view...

as somebody born in a less than nice part of the world.. who ended up in the "west"

"westeners" as very scared to sound "racist" even when it is required in some situations..

even when somebody is destroying their country and spitting hate at them they dont say something.. pathetic..

i guess it will all collapse in 20 years or so... and well start again new dark ages maybe

"scared to sound "racist" even when it is required in some situations.." - please tell all, when is racism required?

[Somsak1782]

I understand what you mean Sir Charles. More than 220 different nationalities are represented in oz, when they immigrate / emigrate (whichever one it is) and gain citizenship we accept them as our own, embrace the multiculturalism and are better off for it.

Thais on the other hand shun anyone who isn't there own. "That is Racism at its finest"

Local council and federal government positions are open to those of all nationalities (with citizenship). How many non Thais hold these positions here ? I would say none.,,,

Thailand needs to learn how to accept others and embrace them if they ever want to move forward in this world that isn't just Thailand but Earth as we know it and full of many different cultures, nationalities, ethnicity's and races.

wooooow a guy from one of the most racist country in the world teaching us how not to be racist. What we should learn from you ? How to aim an egg right at immigrant's head? Or how to treat neighbor, like this?

Edited July 17, 2015 by Somsak1782

[MAJIC]

OP, may be you want to say that "We" pretend not to be racists and yes, you are right to say that "We" have got laws in our countries that do not allow us to be racists.

By reading comments about the Thais on TVF, including mine, then you can see if "We" are racists or not.

Immigration rules in Thailand are not racist but they are trying to safeguard their own people.

Also there are quite a few foreigners that have been awarded Thai citizenship the same as back in our own countries.

Also using the term "We" shows that we differentiate ourselves from the natives.

Is that racism?

"immigration rules in Thailand are not racist but they are trying to safeguard their own people."

And so are the UK,and USA, and Australia and many other Countries ,but the Racist label is freely available,because the accusers of Racism thrive on Racist taunts,just because it suits their argument and cause,and is a very useful tool to gag the opposition!

"Also there are quite a few foreigners that have been awarded Thai citizenship the same as back in our own countries".

Costas ! When you can give official figures,of how many foreigners have Thai Citizenship, then you will have something to go on,as it is you are talking hearsay, from what I can gather (my following comment may also be hearsay) "only a tiny few get Thai Citizenship"which is protracted to ridiculous lengths,stretching over many years!

[willyumiii]

OP, may be you want to say that "We" pretend not to be racists and yes, you are right to say that "We" have got laws in our countries that do not allow us to be racists.

By reading comments about the Thais on TVF, including mine, then you can see if "We" are racists or not.

Immigration rules in Thailand are not racist but they are trying to safeguard their own people.

Also there are quite a few foreigners that have been awarded Thai citizenship the same as back in our own countries.

Also using the term "We" shows that we differentiate ourselves from the natives.

Is that racism?

"immigration rules in Thailand are not racist but they are trying to safeguard their own people."

And so are the UK,and USA, and Australia and many other Countries ,but the Racist label is freely available,because the accusers of Racism thrive on Racist taunts,just because it suits their argument and cause,and is a very useful tool to gag the opposition!

"Also there are quite a few foreigners that have been awarded Thai citizenship the same as back in our own countries".

Costas ! When you can give official figures,of how many foreigners have Thai Citizenship, then you will have something to go on,as it is you are talking hearsay, from what I can gather (my following comment may also be hearsay) "only a tiny few get Thai Citizenship"which is protracted to ridiculous lengths,stretching over many years!

"only a tiny few get Thai Citizenship"

Now you are accusing Thai people of discrimination based on size as well as nationality and race?

I guess in your mind, since most Thai people are short, they do nt want tall people to become Thai citizens?

( sarc )

[green job]

If you look at what we did for over 5 centuries , Slave Trade , Colonization , East India Company,Clive of India,Slaughter of aborigines, Opium War and much , much more, we shouldn't really cast stones at countries who may have been one of our previous victims in one way or another. We have laws like we do because of our past and to be honest most people are a bit racist

I didn't do any of that, and I suspect you didn't either.

So stop saying 'we' and speak for yourself.

Do you still blame the Italians for the Roman invasion of Europe?

Do you still blame current day Germans for what happened in WW2?

Do you still blame current Japanese for what happened in WW2?

Etc.

The Germans a big YES

The Japs a big YES.

[green job]

Post #77

According to that post only people who don't like blacks are racist.

So we're all off the hook.

Yes true,everyone should have 5.

[MAJIC]

OP, may be you want to say that "We" pretend not to be racists and yes, you are right to say that "We" have got laws in our countries that do not allow us to be racists.

By reading comments about the Thais on TVF, including mine, then you can see if "We" are racists or not.

Immigration rules in Thailand are not racist but they are trying to safeguard their own people.

Also there are quite a few foreigners that have been awarded Thai citizenship the same as back in our own countries.

Also using the term "We" shows that we differentiate ourselves from the natives.

Is that racism?

"immigration rules in Thailand are not racist but they are trying to safeguard their own people."

And so are the UK,and USA, and Australia and many other Countries ,but the Racist label is freely available,because the accusers of Racism thrive on Racist taunts,just because it suits their argument and cause,and is a very useful tool to gag the opposition!

"Also there are quite a few foreigners that have been awarded Thai citizenship the same as back in our own countries".

Costas ! When you can give official figures,of how many foreigners have Thai Citizenship, then you will have something to go on,as it is you are talking hearsay, from what I can gather (my following comment may also be hearsay) "only a tiny few get Thai Citizenship"which is protracted to ridiculous lengths,stretching over many years!

"only a tiny few get Thai Citizenship"

Now you are accusing Thai people of discrimination based on size as well as nationality and race?

I guess in your mind, since most Thai people are short, they do nt want tall people to become Thai citizens?

( sarc )

I said nothing of the sort,size was never mentioned,neither was nationality and race,in the context you are suggesting!

[Fab5BKK]

Quite interesting...

I worked and lived in Africa for a while and found out that, sorry not to be part of the "PC brigade", the locals were more racist than the non-locals.

I'm not talking about going to Africa for a quick safari but living overthere

A very sad, but true, situation

[VIPinthailand]

you know, if you mix white paint with black paint, what do you get?

....

you get a thai girlfriend!

Edited July 20, 2015 by VIPinthailand

[ravip]

Humans will be humans! (of course)

We are always right and you are wrong!

It is incredible the way some try to justify their wrongs...