Troops, police raid Peace TV to disrupt Chavalit's interview

[rubl]

Not really. It just shows the stupidity and ignorance of "Peace TV" who have already been shut down at least once.

Thay are so arrogant that they STILL don't believe that the law applies to them also.

What law? The current mob threw out the constitution and just made up their own laws.

Far from "stupidity and ignorance", Peace TV represents the "courage and integrity" of many Thais in the face of oppression and censorship.

Interesting to see "Peace TV" and "courage and integrity" in one sentence. Pity "Jatuporn" wasn't included, but that might have stressed the imagination of even those sympathetic to the 'cause' of the de-facto leader

It takes both courage and integrity to stand up to armed authoritarians with the legal system in their pocket. Respect is due to these brave souls.

Since no one was arrested and shot at dawn, it would seem not too much 'courage' or 'integrity' was required. Since there wasn't even any indication that such might happen, the mere suggestion of 'courage and integrity' in relation to "Peace TV" is somewhat hilarious.

So, anyone who knows details on the taped Thaksin appointed Peace Army Commander Gen. Chavalit interview ?

[baboon]

"Courage and integrity" aren't words normally associated with Thaksin and his mercenary propagandists. I suppose it depends on how much red Kool-aid you've been drinking - I'd cut back if I was you.

Your "mercenary propagandists" are the good, honest hard working citizens that make up the majority of this country. You're on the wrong side of history here.

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

That is exactly who you are siding with.

Not good on history, are you?

According to?

[rubl]

You keep harping on about the secret history of Siam, the truth, the real story etc etc.

Either enlighten us or admit you are full of it and have nothing.

Mike.

The group you support have banned the material.

I can't post the book titles or name the authors here since the junta could shut down this forum.

...................."The group you support have banned the material."......................

Get your facts straight ! I have always said the best thing that has happened since the coup is the redshirts have been stopped killing innocent people, including children, on the streets. Have also said I would be happy if the Military returned to their barracks and an elected government was put in power.

If that makes me a supporter of that "group" then you have a strange way of twisting things to suit your agenda.

Concerning your book titles and authors, don't bother posting them anyway, james, if it is anything like some of the fodder I have read defending the Shins and attacking the Amart it is best published under fiction, or red propaganda.

And it is a bit late to be concerned about the junta shutting down the forum. Have a look at some of the blatant anti-junta material you and your ilk have posted since the rule was introduced banning it.

So you are not going to read up on Thai history and continue to make a fool of yourself here. Fine.

The interesting part being that all sides in this Thai game seem related and at times have no relation to the normal Thai people.

[baboon]

"Courage and integrity" aren't words normally associated with Thaksin and his mercenary propagandists. I suppose it depends on how much red Kool-aid you've been drinking - I'd cut back if I was you.

Your "mercenary propagandists" are the good, honest hard working citizens that make up the majority of this country. You're on the wrong side of history here.

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

He really does epitomize the UDD ethos.

Having respected TVF rules and reported an esteemed member that disrespected me he sent me a personal mail attacking me. In other words he has not respect for the rules or the authority of this wonderful forum we all enjoy.

I suspect we will not see him on this forum for too long.

Take care my friend and I appreciate your peaceful and non confrontational approach. It highlights why I support anyone that does not support the UDD.

Aye, I am told by other members via P.M. that grassing is your thing. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, my simpering friend...

[halloween]

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

Please stop embarrassing yourself and read up just a bit. Quoting the stuff you have read in The Nation is really dumb. It's the stuff they want you to see.

Aren't you curious?

There is no way The Nation is going to explain what the General is really up to or they would get raided like that TV station. Stop reading their crap.

Instead of suggesting that you are so much better informed, why don't you tell me what exactly in my post was ill-informed or incorrect. If you are not, as I suspect, referring to what I have posted, please refrain from associating me with your supercilious BS.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

Please stop embarrassing yourself and read up just a bit. Quoting the stuff you have read in The Nation is really dumb. It's the stuff they want you to see.

Aren't you curious?

There is no way The Nation is going to explain what the General is really up to or they would get raided like that TV station. Stop reading their crap.

Instead of suggesting that you are so much better informed, why don't you tell me what exactly in my post was ill-informed or incorrect. If you are not, as I suspect, referring to what I have posted, please refrain from associating me with your supercilious BS.

Sad. People siding with a military junta that won't even let them read or discuss the real news.

[GringoJoe]

"Courage and integrity" aren't words normally associated with Thaksin and his mercenary propagandists. I suppose it depends on how much red Kool-aid you've been drinking - I'd cut back if I was you.

Your "mercenary propagandists" are the good, honest hard working citizens that make up the majority of this country. You're on the wrong side of history here.

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

What's the PM and his little brother's net worth again? 6 or 7 hundred million baht.

All from nothing more than wise investment decisions no doubt.

About 15 million Thais voted for PTP in the last completed election, how many of these citizens do you consider to be terrorists?

You are on the wrong side of history because you support the suppression of a nations less well off by a minority of plutocrats - there are less and less of your type every day because civilised nations and civilised people no longer behave this way. Tick tock.

[GringoJoe]

I have read most of the banned books and I also read the Thai press.

Let me tell you. The Thai press is in with the Military/Elite and they desperatly work together to block the real story.

The people posting here supporting the military obviously have not read the banned material.

Too bad. So interesting.

They still think the military took control to clean up politics. Silly.

I think you are wrong James.

The expats that support the military do not do so out of ignorance of the facts, I believe they do so because of their own morals, ethics, values, prejudices and bigotry. They know the facts are out there but ignore them as the expat existence has freed them from the societal norms of their homelands and they no longer have to hide their inner darkness.

Edited May 3, 2015 by GringoJoe

[halloween]

"Courage and integrity" aren't words normally associated with Thaksin and his mercenary propagandists. I suppose it depends on how much red Kool-aid you've been drinking - I'd cut back if I was you.

Your "mercenary propagandists" are the good, honest hard working citizens that make up the majority of this country. You're on the wrong side of history here.

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

What's the PM and his little brother's net worth again? 6 or 7 hundred million baht.

All from nothing more than wise investment decisions no doubt.

About 15 million Thais voted for PTP in the last completed election, how many of these citizens do you consider to be terrorists?

You are on the wrong side of history because you support the suppression of a nations less well off by a minority of plutocrats - there are less and less of your type every day because civilised nations and civilised people no longer behave this way. Tick tock.

Keep your strawman arguments and stick to the subject. I certainly don't consider all PTP voters to be terrorists, some are family and friends, but there is a voluntary and paid core willing to commit violence to further their political goals. Most of that violence is through UDD who incite and organise it on command and foe benefit of the Shinawatras, no less plutocrats than any other "elite" and willing to pervert democracy to their own benefit.

[halloween]

I have read most of the banned books and I also read the Thai press.

Let me tell you. The Thai press is in with the Military/Elite and they desperatly work together to block the real story.

The people posting here supporting the military obviously have not read the banned material.

Too bad. So interesting.

They still think the military took control to clean up politics. Silly.

I think you are wrong James.

The expats that support the military do not do so out of ignorance of the facts, I believe they do so because of their own morals, ethics, values, prejudices and bigotry. They know the facts are out there but ignore them as the expat existence has freed them from the societal norms of their homelands and they no longer have to hide their inner darkness.

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

[GringoJoe]

What's the PM and his little brother's net worth again? 6 or 7 hundred million baht.

All from nothing more than wise investment decisions no doubt.

About 15 million Thais voted for PTP in the last completed election, how many of these citizens do you consider to be terrorists?

You are on the wrong side of history because you support the suppression of a nations less well off by a minority of plutocrats - there are less and less of your type every day because civilised nations and civilised people no longer behave this way. Tick tock.

Keep your strawman arguments and stick to the subject. I certainly don't consider all PTP voters to be terrorists, some are family and friends, but there is a voluntary and paid core willing to commit violence to further their political goals. Most of that violence is through UDD who incite and organise it on command and foe benefit of the Shinawatras, no less plutocrats than any other "elite" and willing to pervert democracy to their own benefit.

And how do you describe Sutheps southern posse or Sondhis airport jihadists?

[halloween]

My "mercenary propagandists" are those UDD members who regularly appear on Peace TV who seem to have become reasonably wealthy while dismally failing to represent those they claim to. Or don't you remember the amnesty vote?

BTW while you think I'm on the wrong side of history, I'd much rather be there than siding with scum who think acts of violence are acceptable as political expression. who are you trying to be Gringo, Pancho Villa?

Please stop embarrassing yourself and read up just a bit. Quoting the stuff you have read in The Nation is really dumb. It's the stuff they want you to see.

Aren't you curious?

There is no way The Nation is going to explain what the General is really up to or they would get raided like that TV station. Stop reading their crap.

Instead of suggesting that you are so much better informed, why don't you tell me what exactly in my post was ill-informed or incorrect. If you are not, as I suspect, referring to what I have posted, please refrain from associating me with your supercilious BS.

Sad. People siding with a military junta that won't even let them read or discuss the real news.

You know, you can make posts without replying. And that is the preferred method, if you actually have nothing to say about the post you are replying to.

[halloween]

What's the PM and his little brother's net worth again? 6 or 7 hundred million baht.

All from nothing more than wise investment decisions no doubt.

About 15 million Thais voted for PTP in the last completed election, how many of these citizens do you consider to be terrorists?

You are on the wrong side of history because you support the suppression of a nations less well off by a minority of plutocrats - there are less and less of your type every day because civilised nations and civilised people no longer behave this way. Tick tock.

Keep your strawman arguments and stick to the subject. I certainly don't consider all PTP voters to be terrorists, some are family and friends, but there is a voluntary and paid core willing to commit violence to further their political goals. Most of that violence is through UDD who incite and organise it on command and foe benefit of the Shinawatras, no less plutocrats than any other "elite" and willing to pervert democracy to their own benefit.

And how do you describe Sutheps southern posse or Sondhis airport jihadists?

Man who tries to chase 2 rabbits ends up with neither.

In case that's a bit nebulous for you, I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)

[baboon]

I have read most of the banned books and I also read the Thai press.

Let me tell you. The Thai press is in with the Military/Elite and they desperatly work together to block the real story.

The people posting here supporting the military obviously have not read the banned material.

Too bad. So interesting.

They still think the military took control to clean up politics. Silly.

I think you are wrong James.

The expats that support the military do not do so out of ignorance of the facts, I believe they do so because of their own morals, ethics, values, prejudices and bigotry. They know the facts are out there but ignore them as the expat existence has freed them from the societal norms of their homelands and they no longer have to hide their inner darkness.

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

Seizing control of the country and depriving the people of a say in their destiny is a pretty audacious theft in my opinion.

[halloween]

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

Seizing control of the country and depriving the people of a say in their destiny is a pretty audacious theft in my opinion.

So what will your opinion be when they give it back, hopefully with improvements?

Has Thaksin ever suggested he'd pay the tax on Shin Corp he corruptly avoided?

[baboon]

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

Seizing control of the country and depriving the people of a say in their destiny is a pretty audacious theft in my opinion.

So what will your opinion be when they give it back, hopefully with improvements?

Has Thaksin ever suggested he'd pay the tax on Shin Corp he corruptly avoided?

1. Get back to me as and when that happens. I don't own a crystal ball. I do notice however that you did not deny that seizing control of the state is indeed theft.

2. How should I know?

[jamesjohnsonthird]

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

Seizing control of the country and depriving the people of a say in their destiny is a pretty audacious theft in my opinion.

So what will your opinion be when they give it back, hopefully with improvements?

Has Thaksin ever suggested he'd pay the tax on Shin Corp he corruptly avoided?

This guy still thinks the Army marched in because of Thaksin?

You really need to do some research.

The Army took over because their people need to be in charge on D Day. Now you know.

[halloween]

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

Seizing control of the country and depriving the people of a say in their destiny is a pretty audacious theft in my opinion.

So what will your opinion be when they give it back, hopefully with improvements?

Has Thaksin ever suggested he'd pay the tax on Shin Corp he corruptly avoided?

1. Get back to me as and when that happens. I don't own a crystal ball. I do notice however that you did not deny that seizing control of the state is indeed theft.

2. How should I know?

What I didn't deny is that in your opinion it is theft. My point is that restoration should over-ride that view, but it is something not to be expected from the parasites that have plagued this country for too long.

Interesting that did not deny Thaksin's corrupt actions were theft, but you seem happy to see his proxies allowed back in office to steal again. Should Boonsong be allowed back as Commerce Minister? Oh, that's right, he's going to jail thanks to your alleged thieves.

[baboon]

^^

My alleged thieves? Nah, I have stated categorically on many occasions I do not like them at all. I just hate the fascists more.

[halloween]

Or maybe they just don't like thieves.

Seizing control of the country and depriving the people of a say in their destiny is a pretty audacious theft in my opinion.

So what will your opinion be when they give it back, hopefully with improvements?

Has Thaksin ever suggested he'd pay the tax on Shin Corp he corruptly avoided?

This guy still thinks the Army marched in because of Thaksin?

You really need to do some research.

The Army took over because their people need to be in charge on D Day. Now you know.

Yes i've heard of this little conspiracy theory before, some time ago in fact, and I know that you've swallowed it like a good little red apologist, but I was here at the time so I do remember what was happening. which leads me to believe it is, as usual, rather stupid misinformation. Now that you've got it off your chest, despite you desperate urge to share it with me, could you kindly stop posting it as a completely irrelevant reply to my posts, lest I be associated with this idiocy. Lie down with dogs, etc.

[halloween]

^^

My alleged thieves? Nah, I have stated categorically on many occasions I do not like them at all. I just hate the fascists more.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. The "your" referred to the "alleged", not the 'thieves".

[fobuff]

and I thought martial law was over..... bs and crap... go general go

[halloween]

What I didn't deny is that in your opinion it is theft. My point is that restoration should over-ride that view, but it is something not to be expected from the parasites that have plagued this country for too long.

Interesting that did not deny Thaksin's corrupt actions were theft, but you seem happy to see his proxies allowed back in office to steal again. Should Boonsong be allowed back as Commerce Minister? Oh, that's right, he's going to jail thanks to your alleged thieves.

Jeeezus, you are thick in the head. The people that ordered the coup have stolen a thousand times more than Thaksin. They are still at it too. Many millions a day.

You don't have a clue, do you?

You're right, the radio waves aren't getting through. Can I borrow your tinfoil hat?

[GringoJoe]

What's the PM and his little brother's net worth again? 6 or 7 hundred million baht.

All from nothing more than wise investment decisions no doubt.

About 15 million Thais voted for PTP in the last completed election, how many of these citizens do you consider to be terrorists?

You are on the wrong side of history because you support the suppression of a nations less well off by a minority of plutocrats - there are less and less of your type every day because civilised nations and civilised people no longer behave this way. Tick tock.

Keep your strawman arguments and stick to the subject. I certainly don't consider all PTP voters to be terrorists, some are family and friends, but there is a voluntary and paid core willing to commit violence to further their political goals. Most of that violence is through UDD who incite and organise it on command and foe benefit of the Shinawatras, no less plutocrats than any other "elite" and willing to pervert democracy to their own benefit.

And how do you describe Sutheps southern posse or Sondhis airport jihadists?

Man who tries to chase 2 rabbits ends up with neither.

In case that's a bit nebulous for you, I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)

A man who sets artificial limits for himself never achieves success.

If they even exist......

Edited May 3, 2015 by GringoJoe

[halloween]

Man who tries to chase 2 rabbits ends up with neither.

In case that's a bit nebulous for you, I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)

A man who sets artificial limits for himself never achieves success.

If they even exist......

Wow! And heavily armed too. Just look at those sticks.

Could you enlighten me as to which mind-shatteringly violent event in 2008 this photo is related to?

[GringoJoe]

Man who tries to chase 2 rabbits ends up with neither.

In case that's a bit nebulous for you, I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)

A man who sets artificial limits for himself never achieves success.

If they even exist......

Wow! And heavily armed too. Just look at those sticks.

Could you enlighten me as to which mind-shatteringly violent event in 2008 this photo is related to?

Guns and Grenades are kept for after dark, so is bashing, binding and then tossing people to their deaths in canals.

I notice you made absolutely zero comments regarding our old favourite the popcorn murderer.

[halloween]

Guns and Grenades are kept for after dark, so is bashing, binding and then tossing people to their deaths in canals.

I notice you made absolutely zero comments regarding our old favourite the popcorn murderer.

You have serious comprehension problem, probably voluntary. I repeat

" I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)"

[Fat Haggis]

For a man who has lived here and says he reads up on Thailand, not just from the Nation, calling the chain of events that needs to happen,and why, when the big day comes, a conspiracy theory, needs to let others borrow his own tinfoil hat.

Those in control, sign off on that big cheque!!

[Fat Haggis]

Guns and Grenades are kept for after dark, so is bashing, binding and then tossing people to their deaths in canals.

I notice you made absolutely zero comments regarding our old favourite the popcorn murderer.

You have serious comprehension problem, probably voluntary. I repeat

" I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)"

It's not about dealing with the worst first, its about dealing with those you can secure a conviction with first, there's plenty of smaller fish to fry, on BOTH sides of the coin.

There's no point in taking your eye off the ball, and have tunnel vision, dealing with crime is the task, it shouldn't be selective.

[halloween]

Guns and Grenades are kept for after dark, so is bashing, binding and then tossing people to their deaths in canals.

I notice you made absolutely zero comments regarding our old favourite the popcorn murderer.

You have serious comprehension problem, probably voluntary. I repeat

" I'll try to deal with the worst criminals first. I have never seen either group you mention, if they even exist, committing violence in anywhere the frequency or level of Thaksin's thugs. Those protesting against the red side of politics are routinely harassed, intimidated, attacked and killed along with innocent bystanders. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact (but on the "wrong" side, right?)"

It's not about dealing with the worst first, its about dealing with those you can secure a conviction with first, there's plenty of smaller fish to fry, on BOTH sides of the coin.

There's no point in taking your eye off the ball, and have tunnel vision, dealing with crime is the task, it shouldn't be selective.

It may have escaped your attention, but I am not a law enforcement official. Who I prefer to concentrate on is a matter of personal taste, and has no effect on the eventual legal outcome.