PM Prayut seeks 3-nation talk on Rohingya

[harryfrompattaya]

As I said before I only went to the 3rd grade and 86 years old that drinks a lot but why do all countries have so much problem with Muslims illegal immigrants

Please help me

[elgordo38]

Before any nebulous 3 nations talk, how about an internal 3 Agencies talk between the Police, Army and Navy?

Oh, they have been talking....and hiding and coming up with stories and deflections. Make no mistake, they all know what is going on and who is involved.

This is and has been an ongoing problem for a number of years. Literally thousands of people have been trafficked and just in the last few years, hundreds have been caught and detained. Yet all these people caught never seem to be able to identify who trafficked them. I wonder why? I wonder if anyone has asked them and I wonder what happens to those that dare answer.

This situation is much more insidious than it appears on the surface.

There is a lot of money changing hands and it reaches reasonably high and that is why there are transfers and no one is talking.

This movement of people is well organized and well protected. It is reminiscent of the slave trade out of Africa 200+ years ago.

When you take a look at how big business/politicians and the rich (3% control half the wealth of the world) are slowly taking control of the planet. We are all slaves of the system in one way or another some in a more major way. We retirees are slaves to government hoping praying that they will full fill their promise to us to provide a pension. We in turn hope to live long enough to collect the money before the government pisses it all away.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Why now?

[Mot Dang]

There is so little being said in the international press and TV. The discovery of these murders should be shouted from the roof tops by the U.N. Someone has to be held accountable. If it was a group of western tourists all hell would be breaking loose.

[John Kane]

I have to laugh at the some comments. One person said that he just knew that Rohingja were killed when they refused to be slaves, or some crap like that. I don't suppose many people in this very humorous format will consider that 50+ police and other local officials close to the border might be considered heroes to the Rohingja who are desperate for help to escape oppression. I see no evidence that qualifies this situation as trafficking no matter how many times that word is used in print. I, unlike some others here, am well aware of the difference between trafficking and smuggling. In the article a smuggler - not a trafficker - got 2300 baht each to drive 10 people to the border. That is only about $715 total which seems very reasonable considering the risk he took. This whole problem is solved by settling aside traditional nationalism and letting Rohingja migrate to a place - presumably Muslim majority countries - who will take them. The social panic regarding trafficking originating in America prevents normal agreements to settle refugees, and these are refugees. It appears that Rohingja can pay for their relocation with classic indentured servitude which is not the same as slavery. NGOs are making their reputation misrepresenting these things and it is useful for us, the public, to get it right.

[simple1]

I have to laugh at the some comments. One person said that he just knew that Rohingja were killed when they refused to be slaves, or some crap like that. I don't suppose many people in this very humorous format will consider that 50+ police and other local officials close to the border might be considered heroes to the Rohingja who are desperate for help to escape oppression. I see no evidence that qualifies this situation as trafficking no matter how many times that word is used in print. I, unlike some others here, am well aware of the difference between trafficking and smuggling. In the article a smuggler - not a trafficker - got 2300 baht each to drive 10 people to the border. That is only about $715 total which seems very reasonable considering the risk he took. This whole problem is solved by settling aside traditional nationalism and letting Rohingja migrate to a place - presumably Muslim majority countries - who will take them. The social panic regarding trafficking originating in America prevents normal agreements to settle refugees, and these are refugees. It appears that Rohingja can pay for their relocation with classic indentured servitude which is not the same as slavery. NGOs are making their reputation misrepresenting these things and it is useful for us, the public, to get it right.

Perhaps you would accept the term trafficking when Rohingya are held in camps and subject to extortion for the final leg of their journey in order to be smuggled into Malaysia. As Malaysia will not provide smuggled Rohingya work permits they are again exploited by paying very low wages and poor working conditions. Think your cutting a very fine line with indentured labour versus slavery argument; often indentured labour are never able to pay off debt or at least takes many years paying off small debts.

Perhaps you care to explain how Rohingya can legally migrate when they are stateless. Besides, Muslim dictatorships do not generally care about anyone other than themselves and immediate supporters. The exception was back in the late 1970s Saudi Arabia did accept approx 300k plus Rohingya who were issued Bangladeshi passports. The current Bangladesh government has refused to issue up-to-date documentation for Rohingya in KSA. Rohingya are now being arrested in KSA and held until at some time in the future they can be deported; trouble is no one wants them.

Edited May 8, 2015 by simple1

[Equalizer]

The task of tackling human trafficking has to be jointly tackled and it should be understood that the problem did not originate in Thailand, he said, adding the Kingdom was just a transit point...

Uh-huh. Poor innocent Thais, duped into being accomplices.

I know. It amazes me how someone in his position can defend such atrocities. Why cant he just say. Thai people are jointly responsible for smuggling in these people along with detaining them in sub human conditions resulting in untold death and suffering and these will be made accountable. The same is true of citizens in Myanmar and Malaysia and both these countries need to address this issue with the same.

Mr Prayut has got very poor advisers when it comes to making political statements. He always comes across as acknowledging the problem and ends up with a comment that always tries to justify it. Essentially, looking in through a western education they make him come across like a fumbling clown.

[Equalizer]

The task of tackling human trafficking has to be jointly tackled and it should be understood that the problem did not originate in Thailand, he said, adding the Kingdom was just a transit point...

Uh-huh. Poor innocent Thais, duped into being accomplices.

What a sick twist of words.

He is absolutely correct it is not just Thailands problem and needs to be tackled by every country involved if it is ever to be stopped.

Cutting Thailand out as a link in the chain may hamper the smugglers but will not stop this insidious trade.

The transfer of the cops and officials who are apparently involved would seem an obvious move as it prevents them interfering in the investigation and getting at potential witnesses.

It is good that we now see the victims that are being found being treated as victims and witnesses rather than criminals as they were in the past when the Yingluck administration jailed then deported 60 Rohingya, straight back into the hands of the traffickers with no investigation whatsoever.

Sure some have been charged with illegal entry but the have to be detained and kept somewhere they cant just be left wandering the streets or forests and there has to be some excuse to keep them.

But then possibly some of the know it all's on here have better ideas they would like to share instead of criticism.

What a sick twist of words.!! DHUUUU where is the sick? where is the twisted? in that post? What the general has said is basically now it has been exposed we accept the problem however it is not any of our fault. Can you not see how clownish this sounds? Obviously not!!!!

[khunken]

The task of tackling human trafficking has to be jointly tackled and it should be understood that the problem did not originate in Thailand, he said, adding the Kingdom was just a transit point...

Uh-huh. Poor innocent Thais, duped into being accomplices.

What a sick twist of words.

He is absolutely correct it is not just Thailands problem and needs to be tackled by every country involved if it is ever to be stopped.

Cutting Thailand out as a link in the chain may hamper the smugglers but will not stop this insidious trade.

The transfer of the cops and officials who are apparently involved would seem an obvious move as it prevents them interfering in the investigation and getting at potential witnesses.

It is good that we now see the victims that are being found being treated as victims and witnesses rather than criminals as they were in the past when the Yingluck administration jailed then deported 60 Rohingya, straight back into the hands of the traffickers with no investigation whatsoever.

Sure some have been charged with illegal entry but the have to be detained and kept somewhere they cant just be left wandering the streets or forests and there has to be some excuse to keep them.

But then possibly some of the know it all's on here have better ideas they would like to share instead of criticism.

What a sick twist of words.!! DHUUUU where is the sick? where is the twisted? in that post? What the general has said is basically now it has been exposed we accept the problem however it is not any of our fault. Can you not see how clownish this sounds? Obviously not!!!!

The general did not say that the trafficking wasn't Thailand's fault. Hypocrisy to accuse someone else of twisting words and then do it yourself.

Currently Thailand is trying to deal with the problem which has existed for years. There are many players in the 'game' here and they've only started. No one has denied that trafficking has occurred here on a large scale.

Prayuth is absolutely correct to involve Myanmar & Malaysia as both are complicit in the treatment of the Rohingya and a Malaysian NGO has even admitted that they are not above traeting the trafficked victims as virtual slaves & Malaysia is on the same tier 3 as Thailand. Myanmar is the source of the problem as the country doesn't want them and many have to live in camps to avoid being attacked & killed by groups led by ultra-national Buddist (terrorist by some descriptions) monks.

Edited May 8, 2015 by khunken

[Baerboxer]

53 sudden "over-night transfers"... why not 53 extra arrest warrants ??

Hopefully they've been transferred out the way so they can't interfere with the investigations which may produce evidence to charge some or all of them.

This one ain't gonna be swept under the carpet like before.

[Usual Suspect]

'Talks between 3 nations..that's what Thailand's good at talking..& bulls******g.

As for the 53 people involved in this act being 'transferred' or 'relocated'..I think the world press & the UN need to hear of this..& the fact that Thailand's law enforcers did this instead of any arrests being made.. I for one would really like to see justice done here..but I very much doubt any of us will hear about any punishment except on a lower level..village elders etc.

[sambum]

"Meanwhile a total of 53 policemen have been transferred in a sudden midnight order amid a pending probe into crimes related to the trafficking of Rohingya labourers."

First time I have seen a reference to policemen being transferred without a mention of "inactive posts".

Is it possible that the message is getting through to someone that this expression is received with incredulity by the rest of the world - especially in the West, where, as already mentioned theses officers would probably have been suspended without pay.

And I don't hold with the theory that they are "inactive". Maybe inactive as far as work is concerned, but probably not inactive in trying to find ways to cover their backsides!

[sambum]

53 sudden "over-night transfers"... why not 53 extra arrest warrants ??

Hopefully they've been transferred out the way so they can't interfere with the investigations which may produce evidence to charge some or all of them.

This one ain't gonna be swept under the carpet like before.

You DO sound confident! I wish I shared your optimism!

[sambum]

The task of tackling human trafficking has to be jointly tackled and it should be understood that the problem did not originate in Thailand, he said, adding the Kingdom was just a transit point...

Uh-huh. Poor innocent Thais, duped into being accomplices.

What a sick twist of words.

He is absolutely correct it is not just Thailands problem and needs to be tackled by every country involved if it is ever to be stopped.

Cutting Thailand out as a link in the chain may hamper the smugglers but will not stop this insidious trade.

The transfer of the cops and officials who are apparently involved would seem an obvious move as it prevents them interfering in the investigation and getting at potential witnesses.

It is good that we now see the victims that are being found being treated as victims and witnesses rather than criminals as they were in the past when the Yingluck administration jailed then deported 60 Rohingya, straight back into the hands of the traffickers with no investigation whatsoever.

Sure some have been charged with illegal entry but the have to be detained and kept somewhere they cant just be left wandering the streets or forests and there has to be some excuse to keep them.

But then possibly some of the know it all's on here have better ideas they would like to share instead of criticism.

What a sick twist of words.!! DHUUUU where is the sick? where is the twisted? in that post? What the general has said is basically now it has been exposed we accept the problem however it is not any of our fault. Can you not see how clownish this sounds? Obviously not!!!!

The general did not say that the trafficking wasn't Thailand's fault. Hypocrisy to accuse someone else of twisting words and then do it yourself.

Currently Thailand is trying to deal with the problem which has existed for years. There are many players in the 'game' here and they've only started. No one has denied that trafficking has occurred here on a large scale.

Prayuth is absolutely correct to involve Myanmar & Malaysia as both are complicit in the treatment of the Rohingya and a Malaysian NGO has even admitted that they are not above traeting the trafficked victims as virtual slaves & Malaysia is on the same tier 3 as Thailand. Myanmar is the source of the problem as the country doesn't want them and many have to live in camps to avoid being attacked & killed by groups led by ultra-national Buddist (terrorist by some descriptions) monks.

He did not say that it was not Thailand's problem, but he did imply that Thailand was only a minor participant i.e. " adding the Kingdom was just a transit point... "

However, that is a bit like saying that the trafficking is not Thailand's fault and that the Kingdom is a bit like the "piggy in the middle" which I do not agree with, especially as now more than 50 police officers have been transferred as a result of their supposed involvement in this evil trade.

His statement would have been more acceptable if he hadn't tried to "dodge the bullet" and merely asked if people would accept the fact that it wasn't JUST Thailand's fault, and that all 3 countries should shoulder the responsibility.

Edited May 8, 2015 by sambum

[Travelman868]

The countries from which they came have to take them back and deal with the issues in their own way.

Why ????

Mayamar is a Buddist country and these people are Muslims. In the great plan everyone should be able to live together however this is not possible

if a minority group wish to impose their ideas on an unwilling majority.

Extremist Muslims need to accept that the persecution of everyone outside (and sometimes within) their "religion" will result in repercussions.

[mango66]

Part of the problem is that they are not considered to be citizens of Myanmar. Many do not have citizenship or documents. They are not allowed to own land or property. The majority are from Myanmar, but not all. Some come from Bangladesh.

There is a need for some action to assist them in their countries of origin, but this is about the treatment that they receive in Thailand. This is not a matter of Thailand just being a transit point. This is a matter of Thailand being used as a point of slavery (fishing boats), kidnapping, extortion and murder. It isn't just the traffickers, it is officials in the gov't.

Australia and EU countries are taking some heat their treatment of migrants. They are struggling to find answers and solutions, they are not killing people on their way. Thailand, by the way, is well developed enough for the international community to expect a much higher standard of respect for human rights than we are seeing.

This is a very sad commentary on the mentality of the country. Sadly, it is better to be a stray dog in Thailand than a Rohingya.

you are right !

A stray dog indeed have same or more rights than a refugee or farong in LOS !!

If they find a stray dog without residence or valid ID, Visa or WP, they will not detain himor extord him;

[graemeaylward]

The audacity of this man Prayuth it is unbelievable! To ask why nothing had been done about the problem by previous government's belies the fact that he has buried his head in the sand for over 2 years and done nothing! In January 2013, when Army officers were linked to Rohingya smuggling he was well aware of what was going on. A report at the time stated,

"Reportedly, army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha is also aware of the possible incrimination of army officers in people smuggling and has announced his intentions to "eradicate" the "bad army officers"."

So after 28 months, what has he done? Nothing!! How dare he blame others when he has known what has been going on for years! What a disgrace he is and probably a laughing stock throughout the world! He has failed the poor Rohingyas, and cost more lives due to his lack of action. How dare he blame others!

[Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere]

Why is this article pointing to illegal entry into country when these people are being smuggled in and murdered by I would venture a guess Thai's for the purpose of being used as slaves.

Later immigration will say the murdered illegal Rohingyas also overstayed to add insult to injury.

[gemguy]

The prime minister said : The task of tackling human trafficking has to be jointly tackled and it should be understood that the problem did not originate in Thailand, he said, adding the Kingdom was just a transit point.

Hmmmm... nice excuse buddy .....while the worst of the worst aspects and the most heinous aspects of the problem did occur in Thailand perpetrated and sustained by mainly Thai nationals

So now that they have absolved themselves of any complicity by saying that others started it in the first place then this matter of dead bodies uncovered on Thai soil is the fault of another nation.

That is how I read between the lines while they imply: "We" will help you solve this problem that you started.

Cheers

[sambum]

The audacity of this man Prayuth it is unbelievable! To ask why nothing had been done about the problem by previous government's belies the fact that he has buried his head in the sand for over 2 years and done nothing! In January 2013, when Army officers were linked to Rohingya smuggling he was well aware of what was going on. A report at the time stated,

"Reportedly, army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha is also aware of the possible incrimination of army officers in people smuggling and has announced his intentions to "eradicate" the "bad army officers"."

So after 28 months, what has he done? Nothing!! How dare he blame others when he has known what has been going on for years! What a disgrace he is and probably a laughing stock throughout the world! He has failed the poor Rohingyas, and cost more lives due to his lack of action. How dare he blame others!

Thanks for that info - I, and I am sure that many here on TV were unaware of that. If true, (and I have no reason to doubt that it is not) then he should be reminded about his previous "intentions", or perhaps this is the sort of awkward question that he complains about from the media?

[mikiea]

Why is this article pointing to illegal entry into country when these people are being smuggled in and murdered by I would venture a guess Thai's for the purpose of being used as slaves.

ahhhhh....some thai's love the smell of slaves in the morning .

[mikiea]

The task of tackling human trafficking has to be jointly tackled and it should be understood that the problem did not originate in Thailand, he said, adding the Kingdom was just a transit point...

Uh-huh. Poor innocent Thais, duped into being accomplices.

yes slave owners by accident , is there no justice in this world ?