proof of residency for retirement extension.

[thaibeachlovers]

Now required at Chiang Mai ( not had that before ).

I used yellow book, or rental agreement would do.

I don't get it. With a retirement visa you can live in hotels and move around all the time, so why the residency requirement?

[ubonjoe]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

[thaibeachlovers]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

[nzexpat]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

If you live in a "hotel" the "hotel" is obliged by law to notify immigration of your presence.

Nothing "new"

Those on extensions of stay have always been required to evidence where they are staying.

Enforcement of the law clearly causes "concern" for some !

Edited May 15, 2015 by nzexpat

[ubonjoe]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

The reporting done by hotels and etc.does not count as far as an immigration office goes.

Most offices are wanting proof of residence. Bangkok and perhaps Pattaya are not as strict as other as far as I know. But I am not sure they would accept a hotel receipt.

I think part of the reason is because of the rule that you can only do your extension where you are living. They don't want people picking and choosing where they do their extensions.

To do 90 day reports now you must do them where you got your extension unless you formally change your address to a new location.

For mail in reports that means you need a permanent address to put on the TM47 form and the return envelope.

If you can do online reporting then it would not be a big problem.

[thaibeachlovers]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

If yo live in a "hotel" the "hotel" is obliged by law to notify immigration of your presence.

Nothing "new"

Those on extensions of stay have always been required to evidence where they are staying.

Enforcement of the law clearly causes "concern" for some !

Those on extensions of stay have always been required to evidence where they are staying.

That is just not correct. I have NEVER had to give PROOF of residence before for retirement extension.

[nzexpat]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

If yo live in a "hotel" the "hotel" is obliged by law to notify immigration of your presence.

Nothing "new"

Those on extensions of stay have always been required to evidence where they are staying.

Enforcement of the law clearly causes "concern" for some !

Those on extensions of stay have always been required to evidence where they are staying.

That is just not correct. I have NEVER had to give PROOF of residence before for retirement extension.

Well good for you !

Now get used to providing "PROOF" of where you stay !

Edited May 15, 2015 by nzexpat

[mommysboy]

Nothing wrong with wanting proof. But in my case that meant providing everything required for a marriage visa. A retirement visa (so called) is not dependent on relationship.

[nzexpat]

Nothing wrong with wanting proof. But in my case that meant providing everything required for a marriage visa. A retirement visa (so called) is not dependent on relationship.

AS you wish and believe !

Total Balderdash

Stop spreading rumour and untruths!

I also have an extension of stay based on retirement and a renewal of that extension (including "proof" of residence) is quick, simple, does not rely on "relationship" and is achieved in one visit to immigration.

How does that compare to an extension based on marriage , which does depend on a de-facto relationship between a man and a woman and which requires at least two attendances at an immigration office ?

Edited May 15, 2015 by nzexpat

[mommysboy]

As I have said, in order to obtain an extension of stay based on retirement I had to follow those steps for a marriage visa.

Edited May 15, 2015 by seedy
troll / flaming

[nzexpat]

As I have said, in order to obtain an extension of stay based on retirement I had to follow those steps for a marriage visa.

Let's be honest you are a troll and have been called out on previous occasions.

A disgusting piece of detritus !

Reported to the MODs

( With apologies for my outburst when faced with gross provocation )

[chang50]

So if that required evidence is copies of your landlord's id and blue house book, as i have heard,and he refuses to provide them or he cannot be contacted,what then?

[alansiporin]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

H

The reporting done by hotels and etc.does not count as far as an immigration office goes.

Most offices are wanting proof of residence. Bangkok and perhaps Pattaya are not as strict as other as far as I know. But I am not sure they would accept a hotel receipt.

I think part of the reason is because of the rule that you can only do your extension where you are living. They don't want people picking and choosing where they do their extensions.

To do 90 day reports now you must do them where you got your extension unless you formally change your address to a new location.

For mail in reports that means you need a permanent address to put on the TM47 form and the return envelope.

If you can do online reporting then it would not be a big problem.

I do my 90 day report in person in Phuket.

Two questions:

1. Does the address I have reported many times on my 90 day report count as proof of residence to renew retirement extension? In other words, is my reported address stored in their system and useable as proof of residence for renewal.

2. And/or, will a current signed rental agreement count as proof of residence for renew?

Thank you.

[piersbeckett]

So if that required evidence is copies of your landlord's id and blue house book, as i have heard,and he refuses to provide them or he cannot be contacted,what then?

As I understand it, it's the retiree's responsibility to provide the required proof of residency in order to obtain a yearly extension.

Following on from that, a retiree should require annual proof of residency at or before the time it is required of him/her from his/her landlord/hotel/host as a condition of the contract (verbal or written) that he/she makes with same regarding the provision of accommodation.

If at the time of renewal, the proof was not forthcoming the retiree would, presumably, have to gather as much evidence to support his claim of residency at his/her acclaimed address as he/she could, present that and explain to Immigration that he/she was, through no fault of their own, unable to provide proof in the required form.

If some Immigration offices or officers have not been implementing this visa extension requirement, I respectfully suggest that, be that as it may, no difference is made, there has always been, in respect of a 'retirement' visa and still is, such a requirement.

Edited May 16, 2015 by piersbeckett

[ubonjoe]

As I have said, in order to obtain an extension of stay based on retirement I had to follow those steps for a marriage visa.

I read your topic. You certainly did not have to supply everything for an extension based upon marriage (it is not a visa).

You did not have to show your marriage certificate, Kor Ror 2 marriage registry, photos of you and wife in and around the house. Your wife also did not have to a statement.

You had to supply a copy of your wife's house book and a copy of her ID card for proof of residence is all you had to do. Plus a map to your house which is asked for at several offices now for extensions based upon retirement.

[ubonjoe]

I do my 90 day report in person in Phuket.

Two questions:

1. Does the address I have reported many times on my 90 day report count as proof of residence to renew retirement extension? In other words, is my reported address stored in their system and useable as proof of residence for renewal.

2. And/or, will a current signed rental agreement count as proof of residence for renew?

Thank you.

1. No

2. Yes plus a address registration form that Phuket immigration has of their own that is something like a TM30.

[Liquorice]

So if that required evidence is copies of your landlord's id and blue house book, as i have heard,and he refuses to provide them or he cannot be contacted,what then?

Do you have a rental agreement?

Bills in your name to that address?

If your landlord refuses to give you a copy of his ID card and Tabian Ban, inform Immigration of that fact and take whatever other proof of address you have. Alternatively find a more appreciative landlord.

If you can't contact him, how do you pay the rent? Stop paying the rent, I'm sure he will soon contact you.

[mommysboy]

Yes. I stand corrected I did not have to go through all the steps of a marriage visa (so called). But the dual mugshot at the end was a bit strange, and I am left with the impression that this was more than just an address check.

[mommysboy]

The want firm proof of where you are living at the time you apply for the extension.

Not disagreeing, but why? Never had to before and every time you move somewhere it goes into the system anyway.

What if you live in an hotel- will they accept a receipt from the hotel. It's not a requirement of retirement in Thailand to live in one place, far as I know.

The reporting done by hotels and etc.does not count as far as an immigration office goes.

Most offices are wanting proof of residence. Bangkok and perhaps Pattaya are not as strict as other as far as I know. But I am not sure they would accept a hotel receipt.

I think part of the reason is because of the rule that you can only do your extension where you are living. They don't want people picking and choosing where they do their extensions.

To do 90 day reports now you must do them where you got your extension unless you formally change your address to a new location.

For mail in reports that means you need a permanent address to put on the TM47 form and the return envelope.

If you can do online reporting then it would not be a big problem.

My impression in Surat Thani is that the reporting is paramount. It is a key way that your address is registered on the database. It was the first thing they checked on the database. It also has to be done online. I was told the new regulations are strictly enforced. Just one person's experience at one area office, but it does contradict the notion that the reporting done by hotels does not count. Perhaps it is given less weight for tourist extensions for obvious reasons.

[mommysboy]

So if that required evidence is copies of your landlord's id and blue house book, as i have heard,and he refuses to provide them or he cannot be contacted,what then?

As I understand it, it's the retiree's responsibility to provide the required proof of residency in order to obtain a yearly extension.

Following on from that, a retiree should require annual proof of residency at or before the time it is required of him/her from his/her landlord/hotel/host as a condition of the contract (verbal or written) that he/she makes with same regarding the provision of accommodation.

If at the time of renewal, the proof was not forthcoming the retiree would, presumably, have to gather as much evidence to support his claim of residency at his/her acclaimed address as he/she could, present that and explain to Immigration that he/she was, through no fault of their own, unable to provide proof in the required form.

If some Immigration offices or officers have not been implementing this visa extension requirement, I respectfully suggest that, be that as it may, no difference is made, there has always been, in respect of a 'retirement' visa and still is, such a requirement.

Yes you would hope the officer would be reasonable, but it is not a given.

I think the confusion is not about it being required, but the fact that up to recently the address written on the the application has been sufficient in some key areas such as Bangkok and Pattaya.

Moreover what is required seems to vary greatly from area to area, in Bangkok not much if anything at all it seems, in Chiang Mai just a yellow book might do, in Phuket a TM30 like form, in Surat Thani online registration, plus your wife reporting to the office with id card and tabien ban, a google map, and a photograph taken together.

[jumbo]

Kind of funny.

They want proof residency or where you stay...

However if you aks them in turn to give confirmation of address other than for buying bike or car

they won't....

TIT

[roobaa01]

good morning,

i have a question related to form tm30 :

on the lower part above the housemaster's signature , a date is to be filled in, is this date always the date one moves firstly into the residence ??

in my case marriage extension first time 06.2557 , now for the renewal again 06.2557 ???

wbr

roobaa01

[ubonjoe]

That is the date the form was signed.

[roobaa01]

@ubonjoe

thank you

wbr

roobaa01

[JDGRUEN]

It is an interesting question... some Expats have chosen to reside long term in a hotel - I know a couple of these guys...

They like the convenience, location, maid service, in hotel restaurant, swimming pool, etc. This all seems reasonable to me.

So when they go do an application for Extension of Stay based on Retirement do they use receipts coupled with a letter from the Hotel Manager stating the original date - beginning date of stay - current room number, rental agreement if any ...etc.

It would seem reasonable one could do this... any thoughts on the matter?

[mommysboy]

Unless they lived in a few select provinces they probably wouldn't need to do anything at all.

Otherwise, it is anybody's guess.

[ubonjoe]

Unless they lived in a few select provinces they probably wouldn't need to do anything at all.

Otherwise, it is anybody's guess.

There are far more offices asking for proof of residence than those that don't.

I would guess that a rental agreement from a hotel would satisfy most offices.

[thaibeachlovers]

Yes. I stand corrected I did not have to go through all the steps of a marriage visa (so called). But the dual mugshot at the end was a bit strange, and I am left with the impression that this was more than just an address check.

It's getting so insane that I would not be surprised if one day they require you to be married to obtain an extension for retirement.

One thing is certain, they make it up, as none of this is written as required, and different places have different requirements.

[mommysboy]

Yes. I stand corrected I did not have to go through all the steps of a marriage visa (so called). But the dual mugshot at the end was a bit strange, and I am left with the impression that this was more than just an address check.

It's getting so insane that I would not be surprised if one day they require you to be married to obtain an extension for retirement.

One thing is certain, they make it up, as none of this is written as required, and different places have different requirements.

Well thanks for believing me, I sense you are the only one that does.

I've got half a mind to go back there and ask them to clarify the rules and when they apply. But you know! ... might not be the cleverest thing to do.

[thaibeachlovers]

Yes. I stand corrected I did not have to go through all the steps of a marriage visa (so called). But the dual mugshot at the end was a bit strange, and I am left with the impression that this was more than just an address check.

It's getting so insane that I would not be surprised if one day they require you to be married to obtain an extension for retirement.

One thing is certain, they make it up, as none of this is written as required, and different places have different requirements.

Well thanks for believing me, I sense you are the only one that does.

I've got half a mind to go back there and ask them to clarify the rules and when they apply. But you know! ... might not be the cleverest thing to do.

I wouldn't do that. Make them lose face and you might never get an extension.