High household debt takes the fizz out of Thai beer market

[dageurreotype]

Absolut? Where can I get some?

Any 7/11. But they're mostly copies i suspect ..

[alanrchase]

I have to add regarding Brit drinkers. Average alcohol content used to be about 3.5% for beer. Travel abroad to a hot humid country and down the same quantity of 5% beer and question quality. I would question IQ.

[alanrchase]

Absolut? Where can I get some?

Any 7/11. But they're mostly copies i suspect ..

Due to a TV series I am watching Absolut came to mind. Expensive stuff. 7/11? Possibly.

[dageurreotype]

I wonder what kind of preservatives they put in Thai beer? because it seems the beer can be kept forever in 36+ degrees Celsius temperatures?

Preservatives and what else? Anyone know? None of this shit can be called 'beer'. I was going to take a bottle of Singha back to the UK to have it analysed, but the cost of such turned out to be prohibitive.

I believe that they used to put formalin in Singha as preservative, but not allowed in EU, hence difference in flavour of Singha overseas.

Anyone know if they still use it?

Formulin in beer is a wife's tale.

Wouldn't be too sure about that. Even the Thais are aware they spray it on everything from fish to veg to 'keep it looking fresh'. A friend told me he'd had a fish in his 'fridge for three days and it still looked as fresh as the day he bought it, so he threw it out. Another friend, when visiting Oz, visited a local hospital about his blurring eyesight. The doctor asked if he'd been in Thailand ..

[alanrchase]

I wonder what kind of preservatives they put in Thai beer? because it seems the beer can be kept forever in 36+ degrees Celsius temperatures?

Preservatives and what else? Anyone know? None of this shit can be called 'beer'. I was going to take a bottle of Singha back to the UK to have it analysed, but the cost of such turned out to be prohibitive.

I believe that they used to put formalin in Singha as preservative, but not allowed in EU, hence difference in flavour of Singha overseas.

Anyone know if they still use it?

Formulin in beer is a wife's tale.

Wouldn't be too sure about that. Even the Thais are aware they spray it on everything from fish to veg to 'keep it looking fresh'. A friend told me he'd had a fish in his 'fridge for three days and it still looked as fresh as the day he bought it, so he threw it out. Another friend, when visiting Oz, visited a local hospital about his blurring eyesight. The doctor asked if he'd been in Thailand ..

Yeah. Is it true they use Formulin?

[spermwhale]

"Surge by only 3-4%"

That's some surge....

sigh

[dageurreotype]

Yeah. Is it true they use Formulin?

I'm unable to say with certainty they put it in the beer as, as I said in a previous post, the cost of having it analyzed was too expensive. However, it's certainly used on foodstuffs. Who's going to stop them? No health and safety here. But here's a pretty comprehensive list of it's toxic effects. I've definitely had mild doses of at least three of them http://jem.rupress.org/content/6/4-6/487.abstract

[Prbkk]

I only drink over priced ( over taxed ) Youngs london Gold Youngs special London Wells Bomardier Wells Bombardier Burning gold and Oettinger Black Beer But then again I do not mind spending more to get what I like

Yes, all the local stuff is catpiss rubbish. The Japanese make the only decent beer in Asia and it's blown out of the market by protectionism.

[alanrchase]

I only drink over priced ( over taxed ) Youngs london Gold Youngs special London Wells Bomardier Wells Bombardier Burning gold and Oettinger Black Beer But then again I do not mind spending more to get what I like

Yes, all the local stuff is catpiss rubbish. The Japanese make the only decent beer in Asia and it's blown out of the market by protectionism.

Not sure how to interpret cat piss.Percent alcohol or general taste?

[AlQaholic]

I have to add regarding Brit drinkers. Average alcohol content used to be about 3.5% for beer. Travel abroad to a hot humid country and down the same quantity of 5% beer and question quality. I would question IQ.

The Danes, who make excellent beer, was in the past visited daily by hordes of thirsty Swedes (because of the very high tax on liquor in Sweden at the time). The Swedes would buy all they could and go back to Sweden. The Danes produced a beer especially for Swedish customers which they would not touch themselves, it had 16% alcohol by addition, tasted like shit but the Swedes couldn't care less because for them it was all about the percentage

And the name of the beer was "Elephant beer". 555 (compare to "Chang" nudge....nudge..).

Edited May 25, 2015 by AlQaholic

[alanrchase]

I have to add regarding Brit drinkers. Average alcohol content used to be about 3.5% for beer. Travel abroad to a hot humid country and down the same quantity of 5% beer and question quality. I would question IQ.

The Danes, who make excellent beer, was in the past visited daily by hordes of thirsty Swedes (because of the very high tax on liquor in Sweden at the time). The Swedes would buy all they could and go back to Sweden. The Danes produced a beer especially for Swedish customers which they would not touch themselves, it had 16% alcohol by addition, tasted like shit but the Swedes couldn't care less because for them it was all about the percentage

And the name of the beer was "Elephant beer". 555 (compare to "Chang" nudge....nudge..).

16%. Headache thinking about it. Came across Elephant beer in Bournmouth UK. Needed to ride home so did not parcipitate.

[dageurreotype]

The beer market here isn't great due to regulations. It would be wonderful to have micro brews like most other countries have. Or at least cheaper beer!

I think to recall that Hopf brewhouse in Pattaya is a micro brewery, but I don't think they are any cheaper than what is available elsewhere.

They tried one on Phuket. It bombed. Even micro breweries produce shit here.

[CPH]

Thai taxes. Very high on Beer.

[dageurreotype]

Bud. King of beers.

[alanrchase]

The beer market here isn't great due to regulations. It would be wonderful to have micro brews like most other countries have. Or at least cheaper beer!

I think to recall that Hopf brewhouse in Pattaya is a micro brewery, but I don't think they are any cheaper than what is available elsewhere.

They tried one on Phuket. It bombed. Even micro breweries produce shit here.

Born pessimist. Thais can do nothing right.

[dageurreotype]

The beer market here isn't great due to regulations. It would be wonderful to have micro brews like most other countries have. Or at least cheaper beer!

I think to recall that Hopf brewhouse in Pattaya is a micro brewery, but I don't think they are any cheaper than what is available elsewhere.

They tried one on Phuket. It bombed. Even micro breweries produce shit here.

Born pessimist. Thais can do nothing right.

True that Great cooks and surgeons though.

[alanrchase]

The beer market here isn't great due to regulations. It would be wonderful to have micro brews like most other countries have. Or at least cheaper beer!

I think to recall that Hopf brewhouse in Pattaya is a micro brewery, but I don't think they are any cheaper than what is available elsewhere.

They tried one on Phuket. It bombed. Even micro breweries produce shit here.

Born pessimist. Thais can do nothing right.

True that Great cooks and surgeons though.

Sooner or later they will make a beer you like. Copy a beer Lao dark?

[Prbkk]

I only drink over priced ( over taxed ) Youngs london Gold Youngs special London Wells Bomardier Wells Bombardier Burning gold and Oettinger Black Beer But then again I do not mind spending more to get what I like

Yes, all the local stuff is catpiss rubbish. The Japanese make the only decent beer in Asia and it's blown out of the market by protectionism.

Not sure how to interpret cat piss.Percent alcohol or general taste?

Both. Too thin and sweet. Aside from the boutique beers mentioned before, the Japanese dry style is more my taste but I guess it's a very subjective thing. Some people like sweet wine or southern comfort

[Gillyflower]

I'm with Kalbo 123'

In my local supermarket (France) I can get excellent German and Belgian beer cheaper than Singha. A couple of months ago, they had a Thai week. Cans of Tiger were selling cheaper than the 7/11 in CM. I have a friend from CM coming to visit me and I have laid up 32 cans of the stuff for him.

[Time Traveller]

The beer market here isn't great due to regulations. It would be wonderful to have micro brews like most other countries have. Or at least cheaper beer!

Archa only 27 baht

But Archa is only 330 ml..... I can get a litre of Gasohol for 29 baht...and the Gasohol tastes better too.

[craigt3365]

We loved the beer we got in Czech, 100B for micro brew. 500ml mugs. Right on a river in a beautiful city. Great...except for the snow in winter.

The US is doing some great micro brews also. Soooooo many. Hard to enjoy them all!

[FloridaExport]

The beer market here isn't great due to regulations. It would be wonderful to have micro brews like most other countries have. Or at least cheaper beer!

There are a number of microbreweries in Pattaya, I went into one of those once, beer tasted like shit!

Those micro breweries are 100% illegal due to Thai law. Much like other illegal activities, they are somehow missed by the authorities. Unlike other illegal activities, the people that want it to be illegal (Chang and Singha) have the money to make sure the authorities will act if the micro breweries start stealing any significant market share.

For Hopf on Beach road in Pattaya I'm very sure they are legal and they pay very high taxes over imported ingredients. The tax is related to the amount of beer you can brew in servings of the imported ingredients. They are also not allowed to serve the beer anywhere else than in their shop. Even if you would take a glass outside they could be in trouble already.

Never heard of it, but if they serve it in house, it could be legal. They have one in Bangkok called Tawandang that does legally sell some decent brews on premises. I assumed you meant they were being sold on the street or in stores. That would be illegal. My mistake.

Edited May 25, 2015 by FloridaExport

[Fullstop]

Enforce compulsory drinking on all public holidays and weekends ... sorted.

[alanrchase]

How did the subject of high household debt turn into a discussion about good beers?

[dinger]

Did someone conduct one of the now famous polls to determine that household debt is the reason behind flat beer sales? Or was this just pulled out of someones a## as usual

[Kaoboi Bebobp]

If a bar in Cambodia can sell a 330 ml/12oz pint of local beer for 15-30 baht and both brewer and bar make money, then Thai brewers are making fortunes.

On a bit of a looser if you think 330 ml or 12oz is a pint.

I know exactly what a pint is. That's why I specified the volume. Most draft beers in Cambodia are served in 12 oz glasses. Shorthand, a pint.

[alanrchase]

If a bar in Cambodia can sell a 330 ml/12oz pint of local beer for 15-30 baht and both brewer and bar make money, then Thai brewers are making fortunes.

On a bit of a looser if you think 330 ml or 12oz is a pint.

I know exactly what a pint is. That's why I specified the volume. Most draft beers in Cambodia are served in 12 oz glasses. Shorthand, a pint.

Not sure about USA but in UK a pint is 20 oz.

[IAMHERE]

The government tax is too much, always being raised too.

"Anyway if people cant afford beer let them drink paddy water. "

[SPB65]

Since when was beer deemed non-essential ?

It's the first thing in my shopping basket, come to think of it it's usually the only thing in my shopping basket.

[masquerade]

I only drink over priced ( over taxed ) Youngs london Gold Youngs special London Wells Bomardier Wells Bombardier Burning gold and Oettinger Black Beer But then again I do not mind spending more to get what I like

Please do not forget to change hands at 100.