Who has the rights if parents seperated

[2008bangkok]

A Thai birth certificate has the child's first and last name and the name of the mother and the name of the father.

Unless married, the child will have the last name of the mother, as she is the sole legal parent. However, many amphurs allow the child to have the last name of the father when not married. I am not sure that is legal and some amphurs refuse to give a child the last name of the father when not married.

I have checked my child's births certificates and both of them have my last name on the certs yet both of them have the mother's name as her maiden name even though we were married at the time, is this normal??

[MaeJoMTB]

^^

Same for me so appears to be normal.

[2008bangkok]

^^

Same for me so appears to be normal.

Normal but another non logical thing

[sir charles IV]

Interesting how those in a similar situation use similar languages. Psycho, nasty, etc. referring to how evil their wives can be and never talk about their own shortcomings. For example op states she does not open her apartment door and has told work not to let him in. It sounds like a case of harassment and ignoring her right/wishes for him to stay away. In some countries he can go to jail for this behaviour!

Interesting point of view, one might thing that people doing things that wouldnt enter there own mind set are nasty.

I should also point out that going to the apartment and place of work is out of desperation and she was well forewarned that if she didnt tell me where my son was i would come..

I assume that you are not a parent because if you was how could you sit back and do nothing and just let the other parent take and hide your child. You do as much as you possibly can.. within the law.

i am a parent and understand everything. Nevertheless unless she invites you it is not right to force your will upon her. There are proper ways to go about it and threatening her is not one of them.

[sir charles IV]

Interesting how those in a similar situation use similar languages. Psycho, nasty, etc. referring to how evil their wives can be and never talk about their own shortcomings. For example op states she does not open her apartment door and has told work not to let him in. It sounds like a case of harassment and ignoring her right/wishes for him to stay away. In some countries he can go to jail for this behaviour!

Interesting point of view, one might thing that people doing things that wouldnt enter there own mind set are nasty.

I should also point out that going to the apartment and place of work is out of desperation and she was well forewarned that if she didnt tell me where my son was i would come..

I assume that you are not a parent because if you was how could you sit back and do nothing and just let the other parent take and hide your child. You do as much as you possibly can.. within the law.

Sir Charles doesn't understand it is mainly women that use access restrictions as a weapon against fathers.

He's been propagandized with the 'all women are angels, all men are devils' western feminist culture.

It's a sad fact that many men betray their own sex at every opportunity.

The law here is, if you have them, you can hide them, and nothing the other can do.

No matter what you wish the law to be, that is the reality.

Best advice I can give, having sadly played this game for years with no result,

Take the one you have and disappear, never to contact the former wife or lost child again.

Better one than none, better a life looking forward than a life looking back.

making no sense as usual. Lol

[Mario2008]

A Thai birth certificate has the child's first and last name and the name of the mother and the name of the father.

Unless married, the child will have the last name of the mother, as she is the sole legal parent. However, many amphurs allow the child to have the last name of the father when not married. I am not sure that is legal and some amphurs refuse to give a child the last name of the father when not married.

I have checked my child's births certificates and both of them have my last name on the certs yet both of them have the mother's name as her maiden name even though we were married at the time, is this normal??

That is normal, the birth certificate identifies the mother under her maiden name.

[brizzle]

No, you might be the legal father in the UK but you will still not be in Thailand. Only when you live in the UK and properly legitimize the child under British law will Thailand recognize this.

Can you kindly explain what you mean by ''live in the UK and properly legitimize the child under British law'' Mario.

If the British government has acknowledged you as the legitimate father and given your child a British passport then what else is required to make things ''proper'' once you are in the UK?

Surely if your child is not legitimized under Thai law there is nothing you can do under British law as an unmarried father to get Thailand to recognise anything?

Obviously marrying the mother in the UK would achieve recognition in Thailand but that has nothing to do with British law in particular as you could get hitched anywhere in the world.

I a bit confused about all of this ,can you enlighten me!

Many thanks.

[Mario2008]

Live in the UK means that you have actual residency there and not just on a holiday to change your legal status.

If you have actual residency (togeher with the children and maybe the mother) and arrange things according to the local law a Thai judge might acknowledge the legitimisation.

If you are just on a holiday, the local law might not allow it in the first place and secondly a Thai judge would be reluctant to recognize such arrangement. (It might be seen as trying to circumvent Thai law).

[brizzle]

Thank you Mario.

I have now lived in the UK with my daughter for 3 years. She has attended the same UK school since age 4 and is doing exceptionally well here.

We only visit Thailand for holidays and to see the Thai family now about 2-3 times per year.

So to clarify ...what you are saying is that there is a chance due to these circumstances that I could now be legitmately recognised as the father in Thailand and Thai law might mutually respect British law who have recognised me as the father since the birth date?

At the present time due to unforeseen circumstances it is impossible for my daughters mother to go with us to the Amphur where the birth was registered. Instead of going to court, given the fact that we are now long term UK resident,do you think it is possible to get my daughter legitimized under Thai law with just my daughter (who will be nearly 8 years) and myself present?

Thanks once again.

[Mario2008]

The problem with your scenario is that you legitimized the child under UK law while in Thailand.

Legitimisation at the amphur is possible, but requires all 3 parties to agree. That means father, mother and child. t is however not necessary that the mother goes to the same amphur as you, she can do it at another amphur. (Embassies function also as an amphur).

[IMA_FARANG]

I'm not defending the woman but you need to consider that you were only there for a short time before the child was born, but the mother carried that child around for nearly nine months before the child was born.

And all the pain of the birth was hers, you never felt a thing at the time did you?

I had an American friend that spent years trying to get custody of his daughter (legal marriage then a divorce) from his Thai wife.

When his daughter came of legal age to make the decision herself, she chose to be Thai and stay with her mother rather than go to the U.S. with her father. It didn't end well for his daughter, she was later killed by her Thai boyfriend here in Thailand over an argument about money.

Sad story all the way.

[benalibina]

I'm not defending the woman but you need to consider that you were only there for a short time before the child was born, but the mother carried that child around for nearly nine months before the child was born.

And all the pain of the birth was hers, you never felt a thing at the time did you?

I had an American friend that spent years trying to get custody of his daughter (legal marriage then a divorce) from his Thai wife.

When his daughter came of legal age to make the decision herself, she chose to be Thai and stay with her mother rather than go to the U.S. with her father. It didn't end well for his daughter, she was later killed by her Thai boyfriend here in Thailand over an argument about money.

Sad story all the way.

Now read back your own post and think about your friend. Contradictive....somewhat, your post that is.