US boy, 3, killed self with gun he found in mother's purse

[CMNightRider]

I think your mum just called you to get your hand off it and go eat your dinner before it gets hot ?

What's up with the personal insults and attacks Linky? You are getting hysterical over nothing. I'm sure this incident will haunt this mother for the rest of her life. There are around 90 million guns owners in America, that didn't leave their firearms laying around where their children had access to them the day this boy shot himself. She was one out of 90 million people.

Why do the anti-gun nuts get so hysterical over gun ownership in America? Personality, I don't care if there are some countries that don't allow their citizens to own a firearm. If you happen to live in one of those countries, and are happy without being able to protect yourself from fools who would harm you or your family in your own home then good on you.

The rest of the developed world doesnt seem to have a problem with tough gun laws and live quite nicely. Do you really think people in Oz live in fear because they dont have guns?

Here is a not so secret secret. One of the concerns of Aussies visiting the land of the brave is that there are so many with guns and with that it is easy for some moron who loses face to go blasting away.

If you need to have every Tom, Dick and Harry to own guns to feel safe then thats a matter for your own insecurities.

Would you care to comment on the personal insults dished out by the other pro gun poster or is your didain only for anti gun posters.

Like I said, I don't care if there are some countries that don't allow their citizens to own a firearm. I never said, people in Oz live in fear because they are not allowed to own a firearm. Those are you words.

I did say if some fool or group of fools were to break into your home in Australia, the home owner has to be very careful in defending themselves. If the home owner were to use deadly force, they could end up being a recipient of correctional services. If Australian citizens are fine with this, then good on them.

You want me to comment on the personal insults dished out by other pro-gun posters??? Why would I do that? Do I look like the Thai Visa poster police.

[SABloke]

Sadly, some so-called adults act like infants when their beliefs are challenged with facts and they resort to child-like behavior.

And still, not a single one you even bothered to attempt to explain the graph I posted that shows a spike in gun ownership and a reduction in crime.

Perhaps you were too busy thinking of your next witty response which wasn't witty at all but a sad commentary on your maturity level.

Facts, logic, research and the like will never change your stubborn opinions - you're right and you're going to prove it be belittling those that prove their point with facts, with logic and with research while you sit there wallowing in your smugness, thinking you are oh so clever.

Newsflash: You're not and you're far from it. You are just infantile, intellectually closed-minded people that do nothing but display utter ignorance and make complete fools of yourselves by trying to be clever and posting nonsense on a subject you know absolutely nothing about despite pages of facts, figures and research by well-respected researchers that have written books based on peer-reviewed research, have won prestigious awards in the field of criminal study and have testified before the Supreme Court of the US on the field of guns and crime.

These are the people that I am referencing and what is the response? A child-like one filled with ignorance and pathetic attempts at being clever that have failed miserably.

Like I said, you can research the subject so you actually know what you speak of instead of utterly embarrassing yourselves, or remain closed-mined and intellectually lazy.

By the responses on this thread, it's obvious which choice many of you made and will continue to make, not just on this subject, but many others.

In a way, I feel sad for many of you. It must be terrible to go thru life with such a closed mind while ignoring facts while everyone laughs at your stubbornness and ignorance.

OTOH, I feel that many of you are just plain ignorant and have no excuse for being so other than intellectual laziness. If that's your choice, fine. But be aware that you look like and are utter fools for behaving that way.

Despite the fact that may facts were presented to many of you, your minds remained closed tighter than a bank vault.

You're probably also the people that constantly bitch about Thailand as well because you refuse to adapt and adjust.

Nothing but bitter old men in most cases. What's the excuse for the rest of you?

You and your grapf are beginning to get annoyingLargest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder

But even if crime went down as gun ownership when up, is it because of rising gun ownership, are there any other dynamics that could affect a decline in crime?

Guns are not bad, on their own they make excellent paper weights

Idiots with guns are bad,

We get it.

You bevel you are intellectuality superior.

But we are the ones with peaceful and happy lives.

You are the insecure jackass with voices in your head .. which is fine .. really ... but add a gun to your paranoia .. and we worry not about criminals ...we worry about you.

The reason no one addresses your graph is because we know about lies, damn lies, and statistics.

You have completely missed our point. We want a world without guns.

The journey of 1,000 ,miles, begins with one step.

Again, you can't address the fact that more guns has equaled less crime, so you dismiss it with some worn out cliche.

My graph is getting annoying because you can't come up with an answer that fits your narrative, so again, you simply dismiss it with a cliche.

Try that in school, a court of law or anywhere else where logic and proof applies and that shit won't fly. Not for a second despite your self-delusions.

You are either intellectually lazy, or ignorant. Perhaps both.

No, I'm not "insecure with voices in my head" but I do live in reality and reality says that there are people out there that wish to do others harm.

And I live a peaceful and happy life and much more so knowing that if the worst happened, I would be prepared.

How about you? Are you going to fumble with the phone and call 911 or whatever emergency number is in your country and wait for the police to show up?

In the meantime, you could end up dead by the time the police arrive, or you might even be put on hold.

As for guns possibly saving me from harm, I have experienced it twice in my lifetime and a firearm likely saved me from an unpleasant fate both times as I have written about in a previous post.

You on the other hand live in a fantasy world were you think "it won't happen to me. Violent crime only happens to other people."

I guess all is just fine until it gets dark and the Morlocks come out, otherwise, your little utopia inside your little head is just fine.

I hope you never find yourself in a position where the last thing that goes thru your mind is "I wish I had a gun."

But it won't happen to you, right? Crime only happens to other people.

And your utopia of living in a world without guns will never happen as criminals will simply make guns and other weapons, while law-abiding citizens will be left with nothing to defend themselves against those that will prey on them.

Ask any criminal in any prison what he fears most and he will state a potential victim that is armed.

And if you feel so strongly about this issue, I invite you to post these placards around the exterior of your home:

I bet you won't and whether you realize it or not, you benefit from those that live around you that are armed because a criminal has no way of knowing which house has residents that are armed, and which houses don't.

So back up your convictions and post a few of these placards around the exterior of your home.

But I bet you don't have the balls to do so because it would make you more likely to become victimized.

Tell me, what would you do if you woke up one night and there were a pair or burglars coming up your stairs, seconds away from your bedroom with no time to lock the door?

Do you think they are going to stand around while you call 911?

Do you think that they will just take the valuables and not harm you or sexually assault your wife and/or daughter?

These are unpleasant facts of life and people like you deal with them by refusing to think about them.

Other people take precautions and take steps to protect themselves and their loves ones, unlike you which is both stupid and selfish along with cowardice.

Like I said, I hope you never find yourself in a position where you think "I wish I had a gun" but I bet you own at least one fire extinguisher.

So what's the difference between the two?

Nobody thinks a fire will strike their home, yet they prepare for such a scenario.

And many people think crime will not strike their home, yet they don't prepare for such a scenario.

That is just plain idiotic, ignorant thinking.

''...you can't address the fact that more guns has equaled less crime''

God help us...a graph showing an increase in gun ownership over time placed over a graph showing a decrease in crime over time DOES NOT prove that crime decreased due to increased gun ownership. It DOES show 2 graphs and that's all. If I follow your logic I can place a graph of HIV cases decreasing over time on your gun ownership graph and then say, ''This proves that gun ownership equals less HIV''

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

[arjunadawn]

''...you can't address the fact that more guns has equaled less crime''

God help us...a graph showing an increase in gun ownership over time placed over a graph showing a decrease in crime over time DOES NOT prove that crime decreased due to increased gun ownership. It DOES show 2 graphs and that's all. If I follow your logic I can place a graph of HIV cases decreasing over time on your gun ownership graph and then say, ''This proves that gun ownership equals less HIV''

I will not even address the question of gun ownership but this was a solid a__kicking, in 2 sentences! Very funny.

[Guest]

So the child manged to disengage the safety catch, assuming of course that it was on!

I was brought up in a firearm environment in the UK and there were very strict rules about not bringing loaded weapons into the house. My father and grandfather were extremely strict about this and in thirty odd years I did not see the rule broken once.

Yet the Teacher's unions fight tooth and nail to prevent gun safety from being taught in schools, but they will take a classroom full of young kids to an Adult Store on a field trip.

While this child wasn't old enough for school, I do find it hard to believe a child has the strength to pull a 8+ pound pull trigger unless the hammer was cocked.

Nonetheless, a child that young should be taught not to touch a firearm under any conditions.

What was the make and model of the gun the child used?

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

[F430murci]

You and your grapf are beginning to get annoyingLargest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder

But even if crime went down as gun ownership when up, is it because of rising gun ownership, are there any other dynamics that could affect a decline in crime?

Guns are not bad, on their own they make excellent paper weights

Idiots with guns are bad,

We get it.

You bevel you are intellectuality superior.

But we are the ones with peaceful and happy lives.

You are the insecure jackass with voices in your head .. which is fine .. really ... but add a gun to your paranoia .. and we worry not about criminals ...we worry about you.

The reason no one addresses your graph is because we know about lies, damn lies, and statistics.

You have completely missed our point. We want a world without guns.

The journey of 1,000 ,miles, begins with one step.

Again, you can't address the fact that more guns has equaled less crime, so you dismiss it with some worn out cliche.

My graph is getting annoying because you can't come up with an answer that fits your narrative, so again, you simply dismiss it with a cliche.

Try that in school, a court of law or anywhere else where logic and proof applies and that shit won't fly. Not for a second despite your self-delusions.

You are either intellectually lazy, or ignorant. Perhaps both.

No, I'm not "insecure with voices in my head" but I do live in reality and reality says that there are people out there that wish to do others harm.

And I live a peaceful and happy life and much more so knowing that if the worst happened, I would be prepared.

How about you? Are you going to fumble with the phone and call 911 or whatever emergency number is in your country and wait for the police to show up?

In the meantime, you could end up dead by the time the police arrive, or you might even be put on hold.

As for guns possibly saving me from harm, I have experienced it twice in my lifetime and a firearm likely saved me from an unpleasant fate both times as I have written about in a previous post.

You on the other hand live in a fantasy world were you think "it won't happen to me. Violent crime only happens to other people."

I guess all is just fine until it gets dark and the Morlocks come out, otherwise, your little utopia inside your little head is just fine.

I hope you never find yourself in a position where the last thing that goes thru your mind is "I wish I had a gun."

But it won't happen to you, right? Crime only happens to other people.

And your utopia of living in a world without guns will never happen as criminals will simply make guns and other weapons, while law-abiding citizens will be left with nothing to defend themselves against those that will prey on them.

Ask any criminal in any prison what he fears most and he will state a potential victim that is armed.

And if you feel so strongly about this issue, I invite you to post these placards around the exterior of your home:

I bet you won't and whether you realize it or not, you benefit from those that live around you that are armed because a criminal has no way of knowing which house has residents that are armed, and which houses don't.

So back up your convictions and post a few of these placards around the exterior of your home.

But I bet you don't have the balls to do so because it would make you more likely to become victimized.

Tell me, what would you do if you woke up one night and there were a pair or burglars coming up your stairs, seconds away from your bedroom with no time to lock the door?

Do you think they are going to stand around while you call 911?

Do you think that they will just take the valuables and not harm you or sexually assault your wife and/or daughter?

These are unpleasant facts of life and people like you deal with them by refusing to think about them.

Other people take precautions and take steps to protect themselves and their loves ones, unlike you which is both stupid and selfish along with cowardice.

Like I said, I hope you never find yourself in a position where you think "I wish I had a gun" but I bet you own at least one fire extinguisher.

So what's the difference between the two?

Nobody thinks a fire will strike their home, yet they prepare for such a scenario.

And many people think crime will not strike their home, yet they don't prepare for such a scenario.

That is just plain idiotic, ignorant thinking.

''...you can't address the fact that more guns has equaled less crime''

God help us...a graph showing an increase in gun ownership over time placed over a graph showing a decrease in crime over time DOES NOT prove that crime decreased due to increased gun ownership. It DOES show 2 graphs and that's all. If I follow your logic I can place a graph of HIV cases decreasing over time on your gun ownership graph and then say, ''This proves that gun ownership equals less HIV''

I love this. Awesome post!

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

[tartempion]

My stats are limited: lived for 40 years in a Belgian moo ban of 35 houses, in total houses had around 10 visits of thieves, particularly remember a neighbour where they stole jewellery, paintings, the car keys and the (expensive) car; no one got ever shot. Don't remember any shooting in my professional entourage as an IT consultant ( helped out over 100 companies), but then Belgium ain't Kansas isn't?

Found traces of tentative break in at my house one day, it is not easy to get in, preventive measures you know?

And oh, last week here in the Isaan village a mentally deficient inhabitant (whom I saw 2/day driving the little one to school) killed the guy selling flowers at the traffic light with a knife.

Crime happens.

Edited June 18, 2015 by tartempion