ICAO red-flags Thailand

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ICAO red-flags Thailand



BANGKOK: -- The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICASO) has red-flagged Thailand for its failure to address significant safety concerns (SSC) regarding safety standards within the 90-day deadline.

According to Bangkok Post, SSC indicates that Thailand is not providing sufficient safety oversight to ensure the effective implementation of applicable ICAO standards, said ICAO.

Former director-general of Civil Aviation Department, Mr Chaisak Aungsuwan, said that the placing of red-flag on Thailand ICAO website is a normal procedure to inform the public of Thailand not providing sufficient safety oversight.

He added that this was not a matter of serious concern as concerned Thai authorities have been trying to solve the problem.

THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira said that ICAO’s red-flagging indicated the Civil Aviation Department’s safety oversight failure but it did not mean that air navigation services, airlines, airports and air craft of Thailand were substandard.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/icao-red-flags-thailand


-- Thai PBS 2015-06-18

[JOC]

<<THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira said that ICAO’s red-flagging indicated the Civil Aviation Department’s safety oversight failure but it did not mean that air navigation services, airlines, airports and air craft of Thailand were substandard.<< Quote

Of course not!!

According to THAI the red flag is only awarded to countries with the highest safety standards.............

Now we are just waiting for TAT to promote Red Flag Tours !!

[tso310]

Snafu

[ExPratt]

"He added that this was not a matter of serious concern as concerned Thai authorities have been trying to solve the problem."

As long as you've tried to solve the problem. Then that is all that is enough for me to not be concerned also

Edited June 18, 2015 by ExPratt

[bangkokfrog]

This is most unfair. The government and its omniscient PM that no one is allowed to criticize have at least six committees looking at the problem. What more could anyone expect? I think the ICAQ need to be invited to Thailand for some "attitude adjustment".

[Fat Haggis]

There's always some form of excuse or spin put on these serious concerns by the Thai authorities, they should stop these face saving exercises and start accepting responsibilities for a change!!

Attitude adjustment indeed... lip service at its best..

[Jay Sata]

They can't brush this under the carpet.

[saakura]

They should arrest all the ICAO members under section 44

[baboon]

<<THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira said that ICAOs red-flagging indicated the Civil Aviation Departments safety oversight failure but it did not mean that air navigation services, airlines, airports and air craft of Thailand were substandard.<< Quote

So what does it mean, in that case?

[Orac]

Some useful info here on possible consequences

https://www.scbeic.com/en/detail/file/product/1359/e42etq2nlh/Note_%20ICAO_EN_SPS_TH_FINAL.pdf

With the first case of MERS just been announced in Bangkok it must be about time for a new prediction of increasing growth on tourist numbers from TAT.

[kkerry]

The other 12 states with red flags on the ICAO's 187 member-countries list: Angola, Botswana, Djibouti, Eritrea, Georgia, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Malawi, Nepal, Sierra Leone and Uruguay... according to another publication...

The company you keep...

[Orac]

The other 12 states with red flags on the ICAO's 187 member-countries list: Angola, Botswana, Djibouti, Eritrea, Georgia, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Malawi, Nepal, Sierra Leone and Uruguay... according to another publication...

The company you keep...

Maybe worth sending them invites to the 'Friends of Thailand' group - looks like they would fit right in.

[rijit]

This ' red flag' cant have happened happened overnite so they've had time to sort it out. Has to be a serious worry,Or does it? Any other countries been given them ? And whats the next step , insurance cover stops?, flights get banned?

anyone?

rijit

[rijit]

Ok just seen the prev posts:huh:

rijit

[dcutman]

Thailand must be so proud to join the list of these other countries red flagged, WOW! How depressing.

Albania 2009 2014 Algeria 2011 Andorra 2007 Angola 2007 2015 Antigua and Barbuda 2007 2013 Argentina 2008 2013 Armenia 2007 Australia 2008 Austria 2008 Azerbaijan 2007 Bahamas 2009 2013 Bahrain 2010 2013 Bangladesh 2009 2012 Barbados 2009 2013 Belarus 2009 Belgium 2006 2013 Belize 2009 2014 Benin 2007 2014 Bhutan 2006 Bolivia (Plurinational State of) 2008 2013 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2011 Botswana 2006 2013 Brazil 2009 Brunei Darussalam 2007 Bulgaria 2006 Burkina Faso 2007 2014 Burundi 2013 Cambodia 2007 2014 Cameroon 2006 2013 Canada 2005 Cape Verde 2009 Central African Republic 2007 Chad 2012 Chile 2008 China 2007 China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region 26-Feb to 06-Mar-2009 China, Macao Special Administrative Region 09-Mar to 16-Mar-2009 Colombia 2007 2011 Comoros 2008 Congo 2008 2013 Cook Islands 2013 Costa Rica 2006 2012 Cote d'Ivoire 2008 2014 Croatia 2010 Cuba 2008 Cyprus 2007 Czech Republic 2005 Democratic People's Republic of Korea 2008 Democratic Republic of the Congo 2006 2014 Denmark 2008 Djibouti 2008 Dominican Republic 2009 Ecuador 2009 2014 Egypt 2005 El Salvador 2006 Equatorial Guinea 2007 Eritrea 2010 Estonia 2010 Ethiopia 2006 Fiji 2006 Finland 2010 France 2008 Gabon 2007 2012 Gambia 2005 Georgia 2007 2013 Germany 2005 Ghana 2006 Greece 2006 2013 Grenada 2007 2013 Guatemala 2007 Guinea 2012 2014 Guinea-Bissau 2008 2013 Guyana 2007 Haiti 2012 Honduras 2008 2012 Hungary 2008 2012 Iceland 2010 India 2006 2013 Indonesia 2007 2014 Iran (Islamic Republic of) 2010 Ireland 2010 Israel 2007 2014 Italy 2006 2012 Jamaica 2007 2012 Japan 2010 Jordan 2006 2013 Kazakhstan 2009 2014 Kenya 2008 2013 Kuwait 2005 Kyrgyzstan 2009 Lao People's Democratic Republic 2010 Latvia 2010 Lebanon 2008 2013 Lesotho 2007 Liberia 2006 Libya 2007 Lithuania 2009 Luxembourg 2006 2011 Madagascar 2008 2014 Malawi 2009 Malaysia 2005 Maldives 2010 2014 Mali 2008 2014 Malta 2010 Marshall Islands 2010 Mauritania 2008 2014 Mauritius 2007 Mexico 2007 2012 Micronesia (Federated States of) 2010 Monaco 2007 Mongolia 2010 Montenegro 2010 Morocco 2009 2014 Mozambique 2010 2011 Myanmar 2010 2013 Namibia 2006 2014 Nauru 2008 Nepal 2009 2013 Netherlands 2008 New Zealand 2006 Nicaragua 2008 Niger 2007 2015 Nigeria 2006 Norway 2006 Oman 2010 2013 Pakistan 2011 Palau 2010 Panama 2005 Papua New Guinea 2009 2014 Paraguay 2009 Peru 2007 Philippines 2009 2013 Poland 2008 Portugal 2009 2014 Qatar 2010 2013 Republic of Korea 2008 Republic of Moldova 2009 2014 Romania 2009 2012 Russian Federation 2008 Rwanda 2007 2012 Saint Kitts and Nevis 2007 2013 Saint Lucia 2007 2013 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 2007 2013 Samoa 2010 San Marino 2007 Sao Tome and Principe 2010 2014 Saudi Arabia 2009 2014 Senegal 2006 2014 Serbia 2009 Seychelles 2007 Sierra Leone 2006 2014 Singapore 2010 Slovakia 2009 Slovenia 2010 Solomon Islands 2006 2014 South Africa 2007 2013 Spain 2010 Sri Lanka 2010 Sudan 2006 2014 Suriname 2009 2012 Swaziland 2007 Sweden 2008 Switzerland 2010 Syrian Arab Republic 2008 Tajikistan 2008 Thailand 2005 The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 2009 Timor-Leste 2010 Togo 2007 Tonga 2010 Trinidad and Tobago 2007 Tunisia 2009 Turkey 2007 2013 Turkmenistan 2010 Uganda 2008 2014 Ukraine 2008 2011 United Arab Emirates 2007 2015 United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 2009 United Republic of Tanzania 2008 2013 United States of America 2007 Uruguay 2008 2014 Uzbekistan 2008 Vanuatu 2006 Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 2009 2013 Viet Nam 2007 2011 Zambia 2009 2014 Zimbabwe

Edited June 18, 2015 by dcutman

[baboon]

The other 12 states with red flags on the ICAO's 187 member-countries list: Angola, Botswana, Djibouti, Eritrea, Georgia, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Malawi, Nepal, Sierra Leone and Uruguay... according to another publication...

The company you keep...

Given the above list and considering Thailand views itself as a global player, face must have been lost. The thing is, how will they deal with it - Will we soon be reading anti ICAO philippics in The Nation and such?

[greenchair]

Thaksin was working behind the scenes to get the red flag flying.

It's all thaksins fault. ?

[moojar]

This is most unfair. The government and its omniscient PM that no one is allowed to criticize have at least six committees looking at the problem. What more could anyone expect? I think the ICAQ need to be invited to Thailand for some "attitude adjustment".

They have an office in Bangkok don't they? Some LM charges on the way perhaps.

[gchurch259]

The first line of defense against substandard maintenance is not IACO or even the Thai Civil Aviation Authority, it is the individual airlines Quality Control and Quality Assurance Departments of each airline. They are responsible for verifying the Regulatory Compliance of the airline and it's maintenance of the aircraft. I have done Audit/Inspection of Thai International and NOK Air and have no complains about their maintenance or documentation.

I read the article written by a London based Consulting Firm about finding during an inspection of A-340-500 aircraft. The OCCM (On Condition, Condition Monitoring) Report they sited is not a mandatory list of installed components. It is however needed for Lease Return and/or Sale of an aircraft. These reports are sometimes a little behind due to time between installation and the documents reaching Records and being up dated. The point is can the airline provide a final accurate report.

As for missing Log Pages at time of inspection. This is a fairly common problem, but again onlt becomes an issue when the airline can not locate them once requested. Should they be missing, no but there is more than one copy of the log book and it's pages. Then it becomes a problem if the airline can not locate the logbook once the pages are found to be missing..

[quandow]

And AGAIN, hubris strikes at the core of "Thainess." The aviation people HAVE to have known this was coming, but if the ground crew reported issues, the middle managers couldn't send the message up the chain - that would make "probrem" and the bosses don't like "probrems."

[how241]

"He added that this was not a matter of serious concern as concerned Thai authorities have been trying to solve the problem."

As long as you've tried to solve the problem. Then that is all that is enough for me to not be concerned also

ha ha ha ...Sounds OK to me, Not !

[JAG]

Snafu

You think so?

I would say it is verging on FUBAR (...... up beyond all recognition)!

[Prbkk]

Isn't it saying that the bureaucrats have failed to oversee safety. Ipso facto , no one can say the aviation system is safe. Is that not the same issue that led to the banning of Indonesian carriers, including Garuda, from European airspace back in 2007? Sounds like it has the potential to be serious unless it's sorted quick smart.

[VMOMMO]

This is about the fact that the regulator, in this case the Thai DCA, is not up to standards. It doesn't necessarily say there is anything wrong with the airlines themselves.

Perhaps they will transfer an admiral from the submarine corps to solve the problems of a lack of aviation expertise...

[SOTIRIOS]

...AOT is a money cow.....

...why should anyone actually work......

...10-month annual bonus this year.......

....no chance of being fired....even when charged with corruption (apparently).......and several million baht retirement/severance in any case......

.....a good thing tourists keep coming.......to pay for this travesty.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$......

...please do something....... present government....but 'self-auditing' serves no purpose........

[MobileContent]

3 months and they did nothing.

[Reigntax]

You have to love any red flag waved at this junta. Isn't red a forbidden colour in Thailand right now?

[Just1Voice]

A "red flag"? Give them 2-3 days and they'll find a way to blame it on Thaksin.

[Lupatria]

What is wrong with the world? Why don't they accept "TIT" - the hands of clocks run in a different direction here. There must be a lot of evil spirits in the western world for all the blaming towards our unique nation...

[geriatrickid]

Thailand must be so proud to join the list of these other countries red flagged, WOW! How depressing.

What's depressing is your failure to post the explanatory notes and attempt to mislead and dismiss the severity of this matter. You obviously don't understand what the red flag means.

Thailand is facing many more significant issues than some of the other countries red flagged. Thailand scored 46% on its Organization, 70% on its ability to oversee and supervise its aviation operations, and 61% on its air incident investigations ability/skills. These are poor results. The area of concern for ICAO is the 70% oversight score, and it is the one that drew the red flag even though it is at close to the world average.

Some areas present more of a danger than others.

Now let's look at one of the countries you referenced: Canada. Even though Canada is considered one of the safer jurisdictions in the world, it drew a red flag in respect to its civil aviation legislation. ICAO considers the change in the law regulating when on site audits are to be performed an issue of concern. Canada implemented a SMS requirement that obliged the airline industry to self monitor and to self report. The civil servant union and outside contractors who relied on Transport Canada inspection contracts objected as there were fewer inspectors required when the in person inspection requirement went from intervals of annual to 3 years.

The results since the implementation show that regulatory costs have decreased, and that more incidents are being reported and recorded with the new system than under the old system that dates back decades.

Now, how can you compare the red flags when you do not provide the context and when you do not provide the relevant information?

Thailand has a very serious issue. This isn't about any one airline, but is in respect to the airline sector as a whole in Thailand. If not managed immediately it can be catastrophic for Thailand. All it will take now is one crash no matter by who, and Thailand could be on the blacklist for many countries. There is no room for error.