Well...there you go.

[kovaltech]

I'm a bit lost here.My experience over the years is that a few chaps come from the Land Office with new cement cone things , measure accurately disregarding any old ones and fat Poo Yai nit wits. Their .word goes I've found. They move ones placed by bribes from years ago and tell anyone who moans to .... off

Yep, i have the same experience.

Neighbour encroached for several meters, sold then the land to a police officer, the shit started when this police officer did put up a fence...

My father in law can not read or write, so i stepped in...

Land office comes, measure up, replaces if needed. costs 6000 bath, no bribes...

Even it was not my land, but my father in laws, the mear presence from a foreigner, who knows how to deal with things...

Life is much more simple if you don't give in to a bully... without being one yourself...

Bottom line, respect the law, use the law and be nice..

I shook hands with the police officer, tapped him amical on his shoulder, thanked him for his correctness and drunk a few beers with him..

No harm done, now good friends.

[rayongchelsea]

I'm a bit lost here.My experience over the years is that a few chaps come from the Land Office with new cement cone things , measure accurately disregarding any old ones and fat Poo Yai nit wits. Their .word goes I've found. They move ones placed by bribes from years ago and tell anyone who moans to .... off

Yep, i have the same experience.

Neighbour encroached for several meters, sold then the land to a police officer, the shit started when this police officer did put up a fence...

My father in law can not read or write, so i stepped in...

Land office comes, measure up, replaces if needed. costs 6000 bath, no bribes...

Even it was not my land, but my father in laws, the mear presence from a foreigner, who knows how to deal with things...

Life is much more simple if you don't give in to a bully... without being one yourself...

Bottom line, respect the law, use the law and be nice..

I shook hands with the police officer, tapped him amical on his shoulder, thanked him for his correctness and drunk a few beers with him..

No harm done, now good friends.

You try doing that when very influential parties are involved. Go to a meeting to arbitrate and have policemen present, they weren't there to drink beers.

[kovaltech]

I'm a bit lost here.My experience over the years is that a few chaps come from the Land Office with new cement cone things , measure accurately disregarding any old ones and fat Poo Yai nit wits. Their .word goes I've found. They move ones placed by bribes from years ago and tell anyone who moans to .... off

Yep, i have the same experience.

Neighbour encroached for several meters, sold then the land to a police officer, the shit started when this police officer did put up a fence...

My father in law can not read or write, so i stepped in...

Land office comes, measure up, replaces if needed. costs 6000 bath, no bribes...

Even it was not my land, but my father in laws, the mear presence from a foreigner, who knows how to deal with things...

Life is much more simple if you don't give in to a bully... without being one yourself...

Bottom line, respect the law, use the law and be nice..

I shook hands with the police officer, tapped him amical on his shoulder, thanked him for his correctness and drunk a few beers with him..

No harm done, now good friends.

You try doing that when very influential parties are involved. Go to a meeting to arbitrate and have policemen present, they weren't there to drink beers.

it all depends who's hands you shaked before...

and who's cards are in your wallet...

you'r a foreigner? so you'll always be vip more

[jcisco]

Since my neighbor wasn't interested in sharing the cost of my perimeter wall, I erected it 20 cm from the borderline, so when he wants a perimeter wall he has to build one by himself.

He removed the concrete boundary post. I called in the land department and asked to measure the land again.

They measured and put the concrete post at the exact same location, after which my neighbor destroyed it with a hammer.

Later he had his land measured, and the land department marked the destroyed stump as the place where his land ends.

I have worked with Surveyors in NSW, Here is a suggestion for everyone on TV, measure 2 distances from your boundary peg about 90 degree away from the peg and put a permanent mark in the ground so you can recover the mark without having to call a surveyor back. ways to do the marks are if you are close to the concrete road with a 8ml concrete bit drill 2 holes in the road usually about a meter from the peg don't let the neighbour see or he might try to destroy the marks keep the measurements safe maybe dot them on your land plan, other ways is to nock 300ml x 30ml gal pipe onto the dirt below the surface of the land keep the measurements put them on your plan take pictures for reference later these marks last for decade's. or you could pull the concrete peg out hammer a galvanised pipe as described earlier about 400ml under the dirt and then replace the concrete peg back on top of the gal peg. what I have described is standard ways of locating boundary marks in Australia, I am currently having a house built in rice field area near San Kamphang.

Spot on

[khundon]

50 years in a cell with 30 prisoners all vying to be his proctologist is going to keep him fit.

10 years would be a better sentence but TIT and he knew what he was doing.

[Ace of Pop]

Then there was the Riverside Scam. DumbFerang ,went to Aunties partly finished house , built a nice place on it only to find it was free land anyway. Years later can't sell it,no title

[Crossy]

I've pulled a few off topic posts and responses to them (sorry to the sensible replies). This topic will not go down the 'shoot first' route.

[mmh8]

as others have stated if your wife has land and land documents from government these will show what is owned and what is not. I don't beleive they can alter the originals as others have said. Also your attitude is very negative, unless of course you have already exhuasted all your legal channels, that is not clear from the post.

edited to add

the average Thai will like most peoples take the easiest course, however if you use real paper evidence to show the inconsistancy you will show that what has happened was not the easiest course, you have real evidence - your wife doe3s anyhow in the form of paper work and what ever went with the origianl boundary posts.

It sounds like a typical property dispute which is why in uk and other countries the lawyers specialise in a field such as property, criminal etc,

thus you exhaust every legal channel first, before you accept it is corruption and is the past. Otherwise you playing the victim, which is difficult to stomach

I have never said here, anything about corruption....Please post the quote if I have.

Bit hard when the papers are produced to have the alignment redone, and they change it and tell you thats it....whoosh....land gone.

A legal fact was relayed to me today that maybe, the Amphur papers are changed every 10yrs...and if you havent checked the boundrys, the next Amphur paper may be produced, leaving you with changed boundry lines, you know nothing about.....This I am not sure of yet.

hmmm, i got the feeling it was implied, either way rolling over is not the way forward, especially as a thai owns the land, not a foreigner.

[cooked]

Sorry, I only read up to page 3. Around here, huge plots of rice land have been stolen as they were no chanots. Stolen and that's it, by a guy that once paid to have someone shot by a policeman. We even know how much he paid. Just so you know what can happen out here.

I was lucky. I confronted the village obertor (neighbour) about a fence post that he had snapped off during one of my regular one hour absences in the afternoon. I had eight dogs, the SIL, my wife with an iron bar and my building site supervisor voice. He backed down, and we were then able to find a compromise. Not the way to go of course.

The next day we went and bought fence posts and concreted them in. They are still there.

[micmichd]

"changed every 10years"?

OMB, I smell trouble.

You might have apple tree seeds on your side. The wind might blow them over to the other side. Now an apple tree is growing on the other side, but the apples are falling down on your side, and you get sick after eating them.

Question for the lawyer: Who has to pay the bill for medical treatment?

Question from me: How many more years you think you live? Is it worth all the trouble?

Edited July 11, 2015 by micmichd

[blackcab]

Do you have a Chanote or a lesser title to the land? If it's a Chanote then the boundaries do not change unless you go to Court.

If you and the neighbour have a Nor Sor 3 and he upgraded his title to a Chanote there can be some variation.

Even if the Land Office record was changed (which is very unlikely) your half of the title would show the original layout.

The chances of the Land Office altering a Chanote however are small because the chances of discovery are extremely high. Not only would they have to change their half of the map, they would also have to change the surveyor's records.