Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[Darkknight666]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

You are easily the worst deflector in this thread. Tinfoiler? Who are you, Sarah Palin?.

Like I said before, Thing about conspiracy theorists is... They're usually the minority. And hey, what'dya know... You're in the minority. Dude, add something besides "tinfoiler" and some random story about one clearly sick individual in an unrelated UK tabloid story.. (The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

The rational here are seeking justice for David and Hannah... Do the same or fly a kite.

[berybert]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

Looks like it was presented as evidence. And as per the rest of the evidence presented it was another faux par

[Tony121]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

Perhaps you better brush up on this article rather than promoting your own conspiracy to stop Justice

Gaping holes in the investigation into the murders of British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller in Thailand have forced a judge to doubt it will ever reach a ‘conclusive outcome’.

The series of police blunders in the investigation against Burmese men Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo has stunned the court on Koh Samui, in the Gulf of Thailand.

The bodies of Miss Witheridge, 23, and Mr Miller, 24, were discovered in September last year, on Koh Tao Sairee Beach.

But failures to investigate vital evidence in the case is putting the trial in jeopardy.

Investigating officer Cherdpong Chiewpreecha revealed the shocking failures of the investigation when he appeared in court today.

The staggering blunders include:

Failing to confirm whether the mobile phone and SIM card found on the beach belonged to Mr Miller

Failing to sufficiently explain apparent discrepancies between the clothing of potential suspects, whose images were caught on CCTV

Failing to take into account body measurements of potential suspects when examining CCTV footage

Not being present during the collection of crucial DNA evidence, despite being the investigating officer in the case. Colonel Chiewpreecha admitted he had no idea how the DNA was taken and did not know whether the samples had been sent to Singapore for testing.

What’s more, Colonel Chiewpreecha did not know the whereabouts of a green towel that was found on Hannnah’s body, and claimed that it was not relevant as he believed it was placed on Hannah’s body after it had been discovered.

The officer said he did not know whether he would have expected the clothes of the suspects to be covered in blood after the violent attack.

He told the court that he did not know who the garden hoe that police had previously suggested was used to kill the pair belonged to.

He had to be reminded by the court that a worker from a nearby resort had claimed the hoe, and said it was he who had found it on the beach.

The officer did also not know who had reported the discovery of the bodies, because the police had not logged the name of the caller.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173235/Catalogue-police-blunders-including-failure-investigate-evidence-chase-suspects-revealed-court-judge-doubts-case-conclusive-outcome.html

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

[loonodingle]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

Chilli they didn't have to bring the item into court. They had the details pics etc as I explained. As far as reference to a phone on the beach, they mean the phone the B2 are claimed to have found from David and taken back to their room. Its not a separate phone.

Under cross examination the defence asked the officer have you ever checked to confirm it is David's phone as you have suggested. He said no we haven't. So its irrelevant., they have offered no evidence to prove its David's its just they said it is.

[thailandchilli]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

I don't, but as usual you conveniently take my quotes out of context as I was responding to the fact that GB said it had not been presented yet, please pay attention or stop being so dishonest. I expect you to pull him up about that one now eh?

G.B. said

Why don't you go back and try to find these 2 Mobile Phones of David's that don't exist, or the evidence about this mobile phone thrown out of court, which never happened as it hasn't been presented yet. At least then you showed small signs of hope and some logic.

[loonodingle]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

Perhaps you better brush up on this article rather than promoting your own conspiracy to stop Justice

Gaping holes in the investigation into the murders of British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller in Thailand have forced a judge to doubt it will ever reach a ‘conclusive outcome’.

The series of police blunders in the investigation against Burmese men Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo has stunned the court on Koh Samui, in the Gulf of Thailand.

The bodies of Miss Witheridge, 23, and Mr Miller, 24, were discovered in September last year, on Koh Tao Sairee Beach.

But failures to investigate vital evidence in the case is putting the trial in jeopardy.

Investigating officer Cherdpong Chiewpreecha revealed the shocking failures of the investigation when he appeared in court today.

The staggering blunders include:

Failing to confirm whether the mobile phone and SIM card found on the beach belonged to Mr Miller

Failing to sufficiently explain apparent discrepancies between the clothing of potential suspects, whose images were caught on CCTV

Failing to take into account body measurements of potential suspects when examining CCTV footage

Not being present during the collection of crucial DNA evidence, despite being the investigating officer in the case. Colonel Chiewpreecha admitted he had no idea how the DNA was taken and did not know whether the samples had been sent to Singapore for testing.

What’s more, Colonel Chiewpreecha did not know the whereabouts of a green towel that was found on Hannnah’s body, and claimed that it was not relevant as he believed it was placed on Hannah’s body after it had been discovered.

The officer said he did not know whether he would have expected the clothes of the suspects to be covered in blood after the violent attack.

He told the court that he did not know who the garden hoe that police had previously suggested was used to kill the pair belonged to.

He had to be reminded by the court that a worker from a nearby resort had claimed the hoe, and said it was he who had found it on the beach.

The officer did also not know who had reported the discovery of the bodies, because the police had not logged the name of the caller.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173235/Catalogue-police-blunders-including-failure-investigate-evidence-chase-suspects-revealed-court-judge-doubts-case-conclusive-outcome.html

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

Sounds like another Taxi driver with information to me??

[thailandchilli]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

Chilli they didn't have to bring the item into court. They had the details pics etc as I explained. As far as reference to a phone on the beach, they mean the phone the B2 are claimed to have found from David and taken back to their room. Its not a separate phone.

Under cross examination the defence asked the officer have you ever checked to confirm it is David's phone as you have suggested. He said no we haven't. So its irrelevant., they have offered no evidence to prove its David's its just they said it is.

Yes thats what I was assuming thanks

[Darkknight666]

I don't think NS could defeat David even with a knife. Too scrawny and weak. It's possible this guy could have ... His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now. This guy should be at the least investigated. I realize that would take RTP who want justice. It's all a dream now.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002317089934&fref=pb&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php&_rdr#

[thailandchilli]

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

I suggest you read my previous posts before assuming that I profess to knowing everything, while your at it read what the FCO has said on the case, oh and the UK police, Amnesty International and Reprieve to name but a few............I'll stick with that side of the fence thank you

[loonodingle]

I don't think NS could defeat David even with a knife. Too scrawny and weak. It's possible this guy could have ... His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now. This guy should be at the least investigated. I realize that would take RTP who want justice. It's all a dream now.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002317089934&fref=pb&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php&_rdr#

Thai's fight in packs surely you know this.?? This would have been a pack of men who committed this crime not a single person IMHO

[Nigeone]

loon,

Gambling is illegal in Thailand!

Cop out... Haha so is prostitution but it all goes on. Put your money where your mouth is!

You supporters of the headman and police are going backwards and forwards trying to confuse over quotes and such. You know what, I don't get involved when that goes on as there's enough people on here who are really up to speed to argue against you but I sure know what I've seen regarding pictures and proceedings and will say it again. After two court blocks where the Prosecution had the floor to prove there case they have managed absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest the B2 are involved never mind guilty of the crimes.

That is a fact, not opinions or speculation but what has been seen and said. You can confuse all you want but the facts are there to see. Zilch ! Must try harder if it was a school report. A disgrace if we are being honest !

[IslandLover]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

You are easily the worst deflector in this thread. Tinfoiler? Who are you, Sarah Palin?.

Like I said before, Thing about conspiracy theorists is... They're usually the minority. And hey, what'dya know... You're in the minority. Dude, add something besides "tinfoiler" and some random story about one clearly sick individual in an unrelated UK tabloid story.. (The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

The rational here are seeking justice for David and Hannah... Do the same or fly a kite.

(The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

Yes, it's akin to the National Enquirer

[Tony121]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

You are easily the worst deflector in this thread. Tinfoiler? Who are you, Sarah Palin?.

Like I said before, Thing about conspiracy theorists is... They're usually the minority. And hey, what'dya know... You're in the minority. Dude, add something besides "tinfoiler" and some random story about one clearly sick individual in an unrelated UK tabloid story.. (The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

The rational here are seeking justice for David and Hannah... Do the same or fly a kite.

(The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

Yes, it's akin to the National Enquirer

I agree its garbage more like fox though than the national enquirer

[bunglebag]

As long as the code of secrecy is in effect rendering witnesses too scared to come forward, Yes pretty much.

There are living humans today who know what happened... They just can't/won't talk. Which I find funny because what kind of threat would they be under from two Burmese lads?

Like, why is everyone so crap scared they can't speak? Burmese mafia on KT? Lmao.

We all know who runs the cops and crooks on KT.

Yes this fear is a key indicator that something is seriously wrong.

[IslandLover]

I don't think NS could defeat David even with a knife. Too scrawny and weak. It's possible this guy could have ... His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now. This guy should be at the least investigated. I realize that would take RTP who want justice. It's all a dream now.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002317089934&fref=pb&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php&_rdr#

His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now.

Perhaps he knows he's still in the frame ...

[Tony121]

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

I suggest you read my previous posts before assuming that I profess to knowing everything, while your at it read what the FCO has said on the case, oh and the UK police, Amnesty International and Reprieve to name but a few............I'll stick with that side of the fence thank you

If Reprieve and Amnesty Know so much why were they trying to find out what evidence the UK had given to Thai authorities ?

[Nigeone]

As long as the code of secrecy is in effect rendering witnesses too scared to come forward, Yes pretty much.

There are living humans today who know what happened... They just can't/won't talk. Which I find funny because what kind of threat would they be under from two Burmese lads?

Like, why is everyone so crap scared they can't speak? Burmese mafia on KT? Lmao.

We all know who runs the cops and crooks on KT.

Yes this fear is a key indicator that something is seriously wrong.

Yes I agree. Can the defenders of the RTP please answer this question if nothing else. Why would the whole Island be afraid to come forward to say who did it and why would the translators be leant on for two disposable Burmese. Also the Thai media be gagged and the reactment scene be met with silence from the crowds present !!. I have asked this question 3 times you guys and STILL you have not answered. I await and will not go away !

[Thesticle]

loon,

Gambling is illegal in Thailand!

Cop out... Haha so is prostitution but it all goes on. Put your money where your mouth is!

You supporters of the headman and police are going backwards and forwards trying to confuse over quotes and such. You know what, I don't get involved when that goes on as there's enough people on here who are really up to speed to argue against you but I sure know what I've seen regarding pictures and proceedings and will say it again. After two court blocks where the Prosecution had the floor to prove there case they have managed absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest the B2 are involved never mind guilty of the crimes.

That is a fact, not opinions or speculation but what has been seen and said. You can confuse all you want but the facts are there to see. Zilch ! Must try harder if it was a school report. A disgrace if we are being honest !

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

[thailandchilli]

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

I suggest you read my previous posts before assuming that I profess to knowing everything, while your at it read what the FCO has said on the case, oh and the UK police, Amnesty International and Reprieve to name but a few............I'll stick with that side of the fence thank you

If Reprieve and Amnesty Know so much why were they trying to find out what evidence the UK had given to Thai authorities ?

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

[Darkknight666]

I don't think NS could defeat David even with a knife. Too scrawny and weak. It's possible this guy could have ... His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now. This guy should be at the least investigated. I realize that would take RTP who want justice. It's all a dream now.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002317089934&fref=pb&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php&_rdr#

Thai's fight in packs surely you know this.?? This would have been a pack of men who committed this crime not a single person IMHO

Agree whole heartedly, it's why I said both are likely involved. It's my opinion that there were more than 3 attackers that night. Some were muscle, some were power. The muscle got David I believe, for his wounds... They dispatched David and destroyed Hannah (sorry Hannah, RIP). This was much more than a rape as RTP claim.. It was a hate filled rape that ended in murder. David died for being brave enough to see what was happening.

Mon was by his own admission in the area at the time.. Yet heard or did nothing. Accept, threaten someone he thought would make a weak target for taking the wrap. No, my friends, the events following David and Hannah's death point undeniably to someone of influence, maybe someone connected to influence. At any rate, the B2 could not be the only people involved or they would have been arrested from the start.

No, these boys are goats. The world sees that... Aside from maybe 10 ppl max on Thaivisa.

Let me remind you Warot's "fan page" has 1000 "likes". Guess how many Koh Samui headman son has.... 1000? lmao

[Tony121]

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

I suggest you read my previous posts before assuming that I profess to knowing everything, while your at it read what the FCO has said on the case, oh and the UK police, Amnesty International and Reprieve to name but a few............I'll stick with that side of the fence thank you

If Reprieve and Amnesty Know so much why were they trying to find out what evidence the UK had given to Thai authorities ?

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

If they are up in arms why is there only one news clipping on there website which goes back to march ?

It seems to me reprieve are more concerned on the sharing of information not that the B2 have been used as scapegoats.

[Nigeone]

loon,

Gambling is illegal in Thailand!

Cop out... Haha so is prostitution but it all goes on. Put your money where your mouth is!

You supporters of the headman and police are going backwards and forwards trying to confuse over quotes and such. You know what, I don't get involved when that goes on as there's enough people on here who are really up to speed to argue against you but I sure know what I've seen regarding pictures and proceedings and will say it again. After two court blocks where the Prosecution had the floor to prove there case they have managed absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest the B2 are involved never mind guilty of the crimes.

That is a fact, not opinions or speculation but what has been seen and said. You can confuse all you want but the facts are there to see. Zilch ! Must try harder if it was a school report. A disgrace if we are being honest !

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

I posted this reply earlier in this thread. Still applies and is my thoughts on what you say !

No I don't believe the prosecutors are trying to lose the case. They are just in a hole and have been dealt a impossible hand of cards and are not sure what to do. Do we quit before we start ? No, the PM said its the perfect case! Do we quit after day 3 . Maybe the heat will die down and everyone will move on. No! It hasn't !

Do we hope something's coming out of the woodwork to help us? No ! It's not ! Do we pack up now then ? No ! We will lose too much face! Help what do we do now. I know lets just stay with it and play the dum card! Oh okay good idea !! Over to you defense !!

[thailandchilli]

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

If they are up in arms why is there only one news clipping on there website which goes back to march ?

It seems to me reprieve are more concerned on the sharing of information not that the B2 have been used as scapegoats.

Reprieve: "We also share their desire to see a fair and transparent trial process. At the moment, however, this does not seem to be happening."

UK Police:

If you don't have serious concerns on justice in this trial then I'm afraid your in the minority, but thats your choice.

[thailandchilli]

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

I posted this reply earlier in this thread. Still applies and is my thoughts on what you say !

No I don't believe the prosecutors are trying to lose the case. They are just in a hole and have been dealt a impossible hand of cards and are not sure what to do. Do we quit before we start ? No, the PM said its the perfect case! Do we quit after day 3 . Maybe the heat will die down and everyone will move on. No! It hasn't !

Do we hope something's coming out of the woodwork to help us? No ! It's not ! Do we pack up now then ? No ! We will lose too much face! Help what do we do now. I know lets just stay with it and play the dum card! Oh okay good idea !! Over to you defense !!

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

[Nigeone]

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

I posted this reply earlier in this thread. Still applies and is my thoughts on what you say !

No I don't believe the prosecutors are trying to lose the case. They are just in a hole and have been dealt a impossible hand of cards and are not sure what to do. Do we quit before we start ? No, the PM said its the perfect case! Do we quit after day 3 . Maybe the heat will die down and everyone will move on. No! It hasn't !

Do we hope something's coming out of the woodwork to help us? No ! It's not ! Do we pack up now then ? No ! We will lose too much face! Help what do we do now. I know lets just stay with it and play the dum card! Oh okay good idea !! Over to you defense !!

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.

I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

[Thesticle]

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

I posted this reply earlier in this thread. Still applies and is my thoughts on what you say !

No I don't believe the prosecutors are trying to lose the case. They are just in a hole and have been dealt a impossible hand of cards and are not sure what to do. Do we quit before we start ? No, the PM said its the perfect case! Do we quit after day 3 . Maybe the heat will die down and everyone will move on. No! It hasn't !

Do we hope something's coming out of the woodwork to help us? No ! It's not ! Do we pack up now then ? No ! We will lose too much face! Help what do we do now. I know lets just stay with it and play the dum card! Oh okay good idea !! Over to you defense !!

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.

I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

Very good question. Wasn't it something like sixty odd witnesses quoted. It really begs the question what the hell are they doing. You would think since there is a set time frame they would try to cram in as much vital evidence as they could instead it's been observed that they might be filibustering. Is this to stop the defense getting time to cross examine? And what was the point of bringing nom sods name into the equation if he's been cleared. It's all very bizarre and Im not sure what to read into it. My guess is that they are very weary of what evidence the defense has and are at a loss on how to deal with the situation.

[thailandchilli]

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.

I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

Then its time to rumble:

Defense witness hearings days have been set as 1st-2nd Sept and 22nd-25th Sept.

Extra date added for defense witness Dr Pornthip on the 11th Sept

[IslandLover]

The crime occurred somewhere between 2:30 am and 5:30 am. The police weren't called until 6:30 am, 30 minutes after the first ferry leaves the island. Anyone know what time Sean posted his photo of Mon on Facebook?

a few days later

It was a week after the murders.

[Nigeone]

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.

I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

Then its time to rumble:

Defense witness hearings days have been set as 1st-2nd Sept and 22nd-25th Sept.

Extra date added for defense witness Dr Pornthip on the 11th Sept

So it's just to bad if the prosecution case and witnesses have not all been heard??

[berybert]

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

I posted this reply earlier in this thread. Still applies and is my thoughts on what you say !

No I don't believe the prosecutors are trying to lose the case. They are just in a hole and have been dealt a impossible hand of cards and are not sure what to do. Do we quit before we start ? No, the PM said its the perfect case! Do we quit after day 3 . Maybe the heat will die down and everyone will move on. No! It hasn't !

Do we hope something's coming out of the woodwork to help us? No ! It's not ! Do we pack up now then ? No ! We will lose too much face! Help what do we do now. I know lets just stay with it and play the dum card! Oh okay good idea !! Over to you defense !!

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

I said at the time the case was accepted, it was because it was getting close to having to let the accused go. They have and have never had anything to tie the accused to the crime. Only a monkey would accept the prosecution had a case. No sane person would disagree with me.

Now see how many insane people frequent T.V.