Buckingham Palace defends footage of Queen giving Nazi salute as a child

[melloyello]

Why would you keep such a picture in your personal archive?

Awful, even if it was 80 years ago.Queen_makes_Nazi_s_2417587n.jpg

We don't really know the context this was in, either.

This "nazi salute" was popular in the late 50's and 60's (When the horrors of what the nazis did was well known)

[melloyello]

superman isnt saluting anyone here, thats just the way he takes off & flies.

[evadgib]

Why now?

[reptile91602]

Who gives a shit about a photo like this. It's fing stupid. I did so many hile Hitler salutes when a I was achild I couldn't count how many. It was fun and who gave a shit as a child.

[casualbiker]

It's no secret that the royals were going to do a deal with Hitler should he have taken the UK, and no secret that they sympathised with his cause. Sadly the British people are too weak and foolish to denounce this line of traitors, thieves and impostors.

Do you have ANY proof of that at all? Links, authenticated stories, anything other that what you have just said?

I could equally say that it's no secret that kennypowers is a (fill your own word in) and there would be no proof or truth either, only my word.

Oh dear, I thought you elders would have known all this stuff. Do you not wonder why "the Palace" is so protective of all its documents, photos and archives in general?

Moreover, surely some of the old boys on here can remember the scandal after the war, of which after the government and royals had to go all out to re-brainwash the public into accepting and respecting the royals again after all their flirting with Hitler.

Anyway....

The Nazis regarded the duke, who had abdicated over his affair with divorced American Wallis Simpson, as a potential ally and a possible head of state for a subjugated Britain. But his flirting with Hitler's regime threatened to undermine years of work by the royal family to distance themselves from their German roots.

More here: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/touchy-subject-of-royal-links-with-nazi-germany-7190292.html

Family members of Prince Philip, who is from the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, were unabashed supporters of Hitler and the Nazis.

Brother-in-law, Prince Christoph of Hesse, was a member of the SS. He piloted fighters that attacked allied troops in Italy.

Several weeks before Germany invaded Poland King George VI and his wife, the late Queen Mother, sent Hitler a birthday greeting.

“I never thought Hitler was such a bad chap,” said George’s brother, the former King Edward VIII, who became the Duke of Windsor after abdicating in 1936. Edward made this remark in 1970 when it was widely known that Hitler and the Nazis had directly and indirectly killed more than 40 million civilians and soldiers.

The Nazis planned to install the Duke as leader after a successful conquest of Britain. The former head of British naval intelligence said Hitler “would soon be in this country, but that there was no reason to worry about it because he would bring the Duke of Windsor over as king.”

Other royals were also connected to the Nazis. Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, the father of Princess Michael of Kent, was a party member and an honorary member of the SS. The brother of Princess Alice was a Nazi who claimed Hitler had done a “wonderful job.” Charles Edward was placed under house arrest after the war for his Nazi sympathies. He was sentenced by a denazification court, heavily fined and almost bankrupted.

Much of the British gentry also held a fondness for Hitler and the Nazis. Lord Halifax was infatuated with Hitler and Sir Oswald Mosely served as the leader of the British Black Shirts.

Montagu Norman, 1st Baron Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England from 1920 to 1944, was a close friend of the German Central Bank President Hjalmar Schacht. Schacht was an ardent supporter of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party and served in the Nazi government as President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics. Norman played a key role in transferring Czechoslovakian gold to the Nazis in March 1939.

More here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-british-royal-family-supported-hitler-and-the-nazis/5383589

Oh, and some more...

The duke and his wife, Wallis Simpson, had visited Germany in 1937 and were taken to meet the Führer. When they left, Hitler said of Simpson: "She would have made a good Queen."

Suspicions lingered that if Hitler had successfully invaded Britain, he might have tried to make the duke king again. Confidential files released in 2003 revealed that Nazi officials thought the duke was "no enemy to Germany" and would be the "logical director of England's destiny after the war".

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Royal_Nazis.html

As I said before. The Queens uncle was a knob head. The others were royalty of other countries!

[geriatrickid]

Kenny, there are a few things you didn't mention and assume:

1. You don't know under what context the movie was made. There is a strong likelihood, the hand gestures were done in a mocking manner. Trying to read more into it is wrong. It is ridiculous to attempt to link a 6 year old Princess Elizabeth to the Nazis because of this.

2. You assume that the Royal family had a close relationship with their European relations. They did not. In fact, the UK royals did not like their German relations. Queen Mary wanted nothing to do with them. Do you have control over your foreign relatives?

3. Your indirect attack upon Prince Philip is reprehensible and cowardly. He was a defacto refugee in 1933 after the Nazis took over Germany. The family eventually lost everything in Germany. He went to freedom in England where he did his service and was loyal to the country. His loyalty has never, ever been questioned and he has no love of Germans to this day.

4. The British Royal family lost family members in the war. The most notable was Prince George, Duke of Kent when his airplane crashed. The Queen did her duty in the war. How you can suggest that she is a supporter of Nazis because of a disgusting alcoholic uncle and his whore of a wife is beyond comprehension. This man's irresponsible behaviour killed her father and she never ever forgave him for it.

5. Prince Edward was an ass. He was the black sheep as soon as he took up with that disgusting harlot Wallis Simpson. He was lucky he wasn't dropped into the sea with a cement block

Oswald Mosely was a detestable prick and was treated accordingly. The gentry who you ridicule had no use for the Nazis or Europeans for that matter. Have you looked at some of the great people who led England during WWII? Many of them are from the class of people you deride and insult with false accusations of disloyalty.

I am not a monarchist, but I would never resort to the cowardly attack upon the Queen, her husband and her immediate family's as you have. It is reprehensible and cowardly. The Sun can keep pandering to its slimy dwindling number of readers, but this will bite it on its posterior.

[vogie]

superman isnt saluting anyone here, thats just the way he takes off & flies.

You do know that superman isn't real, right?

[harrry]

I was never impressed by the Sun but it has redeemed itself by this.

It is about time some publicity was given to an aspect of UK history many try to forget and others hide. A little truth in history is redeeming.

[evadgib]

I was never impressed by the Sun but it has redeemed itself by this.

It is about time some publicity was given to an aspect of UK history many try to forget and others hide. A little truth in history is redeeming.

Home video of a 7 year old doing something that was new & a fad long before anyone knew where it was going?

Give your head a wobble!

[faraday]

superman isnt saluting anyone here, thats just the way he takes off & flies.

You do know that superman isn't real, right?

Blasphemy & lies!!!

[harrry]

No home video of the Queen and the Wartime King's mother teaching them to do Nazi salutes.

[kennypowers]

Kenny, there are a few things you didn't mention and assume:

1. You don't know under what context the movie was made. There is a strong likelihood, the hand gestures were done in a mocking manner. Trying to read more into it is wrong. It is ridiculous to attempt to link a 6 year old Princess Elizabeth to the Nazis because of this.

2. You assume that the Royal family had a close relationship with their European relations. They did not. In fact, the UK royals did not like their German relations. Queen Mary wanted nothing to do with them. Do you have control over your foreign relatives?

3. Your indirect attack upon Prince Philip is reprehensible and cowardly. He was a defacto refugee in 1933 after the Nazis took over Germany. The family eventually lost everything in Germany. He went to freedom in England where he did his service and was loyal to the country. His loyalty has never, ever been questioned and he has no love of Germans to this day.

4. The British Royal family lost family members in the war. The most notable was Prince George, Duke of Kent when his airplane crashed. The Queen did her duty in the war. How you can suggest that she is a supporter of Nazis because of a disgusting alcoholic uncle and his whore of a wife is beyond comprehension. This man's irresponsible behaviour killed her father and she never ever forgave him for it.

5. Prince Edward was an ass. He was the black sheep as soon as he took up with that disgusting harlot Wallis Simpson. He was lucky he wasn't dropped into the sea with a cement block

Oswald Mosely was a detestable prick and was treated accordingly. The gentry who you ridicule had no use for the Nazis or Europeans for that matter. Have you looked at some of the great people who led England during WWII? Many of them are from the class of people you deride and insult with false accusations of disloyalty.

I am not a monarchist, but I would never resort to the cowardly attack upon the Queen, her husband and her immediate family's as you have. It is reprehensible and cowardly. The Sun can keep pandering to its slimy dwindling number of readers, but this will bite it on its posterior.

Your defence of Phillip is reprehensible. A disgusting racist bigot of a man.

Here's a few classic quotes to remind you...http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philip-quotes-relive-90-133848

[HerbalEd]

Yes, freedom of speech and press is a good thing. However, what public good did this photo do? Absolutely none ... but it did sell more papers and make more money for the publisher.

Just because you can legally do something doesn't necessarily make it the correct thing to do.

[faraday]

As above.....& true journalism has been dead for a long time.

I expect that wonderful newspaper The Daily Fail, will be touting a Lady Di special before long. It's been a while.

You know it was MI5 wot dunnit, don't you?

[onionluke]

Let us also remember Rudolph Hess , who was rather friendly with the royals , some of whom were waiting for the nazi invasion .

http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/RudolfHessFlight

[Jingthing]

The German connection to the U.K. royals isn't exactly a secret.

Next ...

[Basil B]

Why would you keep such a picture in your personal archive?

Awful, even if it was 80 years ago.Queen_makes_Nazi_s_2417587n.jpg

Yes, destroying it does not change history.

Any one around in 1933???

This was pre WWII and very few people at the time considered the Nazi 's to be a danger.

Unfortunately this seems to wound up a few people with small minds who would try to make us all think our Queen is a Nazi at heart...

[HughJass]

What a ridiculous story only fit for a rag aimed at imbeciles.

This was before the war during a time when Germany was becoming a great success story.

People who knee-jerk disgust at this picture are the kind of unthinking sheep who have made the UK the 'politically correct' farce it is today.

that was before certain people decided they were going to make him pay for his sucesses

http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

[Basil B]

Let us also remember Rudolph Hess , who was rather friendly with the royals , some of whom were waiting for the nazi invasion .

http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/RudolfHessFlight

And do not forget Uncle Edward brown nosing the Führer...

Edited July 18, 2015 by Basil B

[fgmr]

The Nazi salute became obligatory in Germany in 1933 and I imagine that this would have been reported in the UK at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute#From_1933_to_1945

So this photo could just be of a family taking the p*ss out of a bunch of fascists. I might have done the same had I been there.

30+ years later people were still doing that without many complaints:

There is also the possibility that they were doing the Olympic salute:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_symbols#Olympic_salute

AT LAST. Thank goodness for small mercies, a post with acumen and intelligence.

[Prbkk]

When was the photo? 1933 or '34. People viewed Hitler as a mild eccentric rather than a fully-fledged nutter. The royals did their bit during the war even if Edward was a bit dodgy.

It is not in dispute that a significant part of the British establishment viewed Uncle Joe a more serious threat than Hitler ( and effectively sided with the fascists during the Spanish civil war).

[Jingthing]

The reaction to the publication of this historical footage, which in historical context isn't really a big deal, should have been to ignore it. By making a thing about it, that elevates the attention given to it.

Edited July 18, 2015 by Jingthing

[onionluke]

Let us also remember Rudolph Hess , who was rather friendly with the royals , some of whom were waiting for the nazi invasion .

http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/RudolfHessFlight

And do not forget Uncle Edward brown nosing the Führer...

I thought his name was Neville .

[harrry]

It seems here there are many who do not like truth being published.

[Mot Dang]

The two children are accompanied by their uncle Edward – then Prince of Wales – and their mother in the gardens of Balmoral.

Wasn't it Edward who became King but soon abdicated to marry the American catholic divorcee ? If that is the case Edward was an avid supporter of Hitler and fascism. Teaching the rest of the family bad habits he was.

History is a strange bed-fellow, and some naughty photos should be left buried.

Edited July 18, 2015 by Mot Dang

[freebyrd]

She was a kid when this photo was taken and me and others on this forum did similarly stupid things at that age. It must have been a really slow news day for the Sun to dredge this up.

[Alwyn]

Why would you keep such a picture in your personal archive?

Awful, even if it was 80 years ago.Queen_makes_Nazi_s_2417587n.jpg

So you're saying that Queen knew that Adolf Hitler would start a World War and knew (at 8 years old) this was the Nazi salute? Even though Hitler wasn't at war for another 7 years or so?

Edited July 18, 2015 by Alwyn

[Mot Dang]

It's no secret that the royals were going to do a deal with Hitler should he have taken the UK, and no secret that they sympathised with his cause. Sadly the British people are too weak and foolish to denounce this line of traitors, thieves and impostors.

and what drugs are you taking this week?

Why do you ask what drugs he is taking? Can't remember any photos of my parents giving the nazi salute.

It's a documented fact that Prince Edward was going to make a deal with Hitler. The History Channel did a very good documentary on this not so long ago.

Another point is that Hitler had made a statement at the start of European hostilities that he would be hesitant to fight/bomb Britain because he considered the British as "cousins" of similar roots. That sentiment didn't last long did it ?

[jadee]

I understand that this salute has awful ramifications and is highly offensive to some people but seriously, it's such as common, natural gesture to make when you are a kid. As other members have pointed out, it could be superman or some other flying character.

[Alwyn]

It seems here there are many who do not like truth being published.

What truths would they be? That an 8 year old girl (who would become Queen) was messing around 6 years before WW2 began and the nazis were a political party? Top secret that one, she shuold have known better... Jeez..

Edited July 18, 2015 by Alwyn