NLA to meet Aug 6-7 for impeachment of 248 former MPs

[Lite Beer]

NLA to meet Aug 6-7 for impeachment of 248 former MPs

BANGKOK, 2 August 2015 (NNT) - The National Legislative Assembly is set to meet again soon to continue with the impeachment of over 200 former members of parliament who the anti-graft agency has accused of violating the previous Constitution.

NLA President Pornpetch Wichitcholchai has issued an invitation to all members of the legislature to a meeting on August 6 to deliberate the impeachment of 248 former MPs for their involvement in the illegal amendment of the previous Constitution.

The upcoming sitting will focus on the questioning of the accused by the NLA committee in charge of the process.

In addition, the NLA will discuss the selection of the candidates to join the advisory committee of the Attorney General and for the position of the Attorney-General.

The legislature will also review a number of draft laws on Thursday, before continuing the meeting on August 7 with a session for NLA member Wallop Tangkananurak to ask the Minister of Education questions related to the problems about the setting up of a fund to help teachers and education personnel.

-- NNT 2015-08-01

[chainarong]

Weird totally weird, the NLA runs about trying to impeach 200 + former members of Parliament who they maintain violated the previous constitution, Prayut-O whinges about the US not understanding Thailand regarding human rights violations, here is a good example, you are placing people on trial for something that has nothing what so ever with the Junta , you are not even an elected administration , you talk about the constitution, well the Junta lead by Prayut - O violated the previous constitution by staging a coup, perhaps you might consider that point NLA and take the junta to court , people in glass houses should not throw stones.

[phoenixdoglover]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

[Down the rabbit hole]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Its fairly normal for the law which applied at the time of the offence to be applied at trial Except for treason, that's doesn't count. Laws which are applied retrospectively (especially for the purpose of transforming actions which were legal at the time into offences) are considered a breach of human rights.

Oh sorry, I forgot.

Of course, this is not a trial.

But then you can only impeach a politician while he's in power, that's why Nixon resigned. But that doesn't count either.

Edited August 2, 2015 by Down the rabbit hole

[Gunna]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Because when the supposed crime was committed, it was against the existing law.

If someone robs a bank branch and later on the bank decides to close that branch, the robbers can still be taken to court even though that branch no-longer exists.

[bamnutsak]

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Red = bad.

Shame on a legislative body for attempting to amend a constitution - albeit to make it look like the 1997 version - as that task is best left to the "Good People", aka the coup-makers, and their minions (the NRC) or the judiciary.

[jayboy]

Interesting that the very act the disgraceful puppet assembly (NLA) is pursuing the ex parliamentarians for is the direction in which the British House of Lords is likely to be reformed, ie to be more representative of the people.Obviously only in the brainwashed heads of the NLA and their masters/paymasters could this be deemed as "corruption".

Of course there's a reasonable debate to be had over which if any seats in the second chamber should be nominated, provided there is a credible level of genuinely elected representatives.Equally there is little point in the second chamber being a mirror image of the first chamber.THere are many ways of dealing with this and Thais must find a way of organising themselves here.

But here and now we are just faced with an act of monstrous impudence and stupidity by the NLA and their controllers.

[djjamie]

The PTP lawyers who are the most active lawyers on the planet due their customers constantly breaking the law should be held to account as well for putting the PTP ministers into this predicament. Though they may well have advised them and the PTP simply ignored or intimidated them which they have done with every other entity that went against their agenda as well including the farmers.

Of course committing fraud during the constitutional change voting process as well as not letting the opposition debate doesn't help their cause.

Principles of democracy shattered so they can be more "democratic"!!!

PTP logic right there folks.

[rubl]

The NLA will continue the impeachment 'procedure' only. The "Impeachment or not" decision is at the end of the procedure.

[rubl]

Interesting that the very act the disgraceful puppet assembly (NLA) is pursuing the ex parliamentarians for is the direction in which the British House of Lords is likely to be reformed, ie to be more representative of the people.Obviously only in the brainwashed heads of the NLA and their masters/paymasters could this be deemed as "corruption".

Of course there's a reasonable debate to be had over which if any seats in the second chamber should be nominated, provided there is a credible level of genuinely elected representatives.Equally there is little point in the second chamber being a mirror image of the first chamber.THere are many ways of dealing with this and Thais must find a way of organising themselves here.

But here and now we are just faced with an act of monstrous impudence and stupidity by the NLA and their controllers.

It's as if I hear former Communists or Labour hard-liner left-wingers. Always the need to include qualitative adjectives, talk about puppets, controllers as if their opposition had a similar structure as themselves.

BTW independent of ones stand in the 'how to set up the senate' the impeachment is about a possible involvement in the (possibly) illegal amendment of the charter. It's not really about what those accused wanted to change nor about what they wanted to change it in.

[jayboy]

Interesting that the very act the disgraceful puppet assembly (NLA) is pursuing the ex parliamentarians for is the direction in which the British House of Lords is likely to be reformed, ie to be more representative of the people.Obviously only in the brainwashed heads of the NLA and their masters/paymasters could this be deemed as "corruption".

Of course there's a reasonable debate to be had over which if any seats in the second chamber should be nominated, provided there is a credible level of genuinely elected representatives.Equally there is little point in the second chamber being a mirror image of the first chamber.THere are many ways of dealing with this and Thais must find a way of organising themselves here.

But here and now we are just faced with an act of monstrous impudence and stupidity by the NLA and their controllers.

It's as if I hear former Communists or Labour hard-liner left-wingers. Always the need to include qualitative adjectives, talk about puppets, controllers as if their opposition had a similar structure as themselves.

BTW independent of ones stand in the 'how to set up the senate' the impeachment is about a possible involvement in the (possibly) illegal amendment of the charter. It's not really about what those accused wanted to change nor about what they wanted to change it in.

Some might argue that in every intelligible sense the NLA is an unrepresentative puppet assembly.If you have evidence this is not the case by all means present it.

If however you are simply suggesting that totalitarian systems have much in common I agree with you - namely the current quasi fascist set up in Thailand and brutal Stalinist regimes elsewhere.Certainly both hate and fear democracy.

Your final comment attempting to excuse the NLA's insanity is rather shameful and I am sure on reflection you will agree.It's akin to saying one should not rescue a drowning man because the park regulations do not permit visitors to swim in the lake.

[Srikcir]

Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition when they decide to allow free elections again. Get a majority of the opposing political party leaders banned from elections and support stron political leaders of a political party the best fits the Junta's political agfenda.

The actions of the Thai Junta-appointed NLA is no different than that taken by other military juntas all over the world. It's like page 4 from the Coup Playbook - 2007 Edition. The NCPO will go two steps further by allowing its appointed members to the NLA, NRC and CDC to run in the next election, and by allowing Suthep's political foundation to promote Democrat leaders for election.

The only reconciliation favored by the Junta is one that results in the preservation of its power for the next 20 years. No doubt Suthep supports that power so long as he shares in its benefits.

[rubl]

Interesting that the very act the disgraceful puppet assembly (NLA) is pursuing the ex parliamentarians for is the direction in which the British House of Lords is likely to be reformed, ie to be more representative of the people.Obviously only in the brainwashed heads of the NLA and their masters/paymasters could this be deemed as "corruption".

Of course there's a reasonable debate to be had over which if any seats in the second chamber should be nominated, provided there is a credible level of genuinely elected representatives.Equally there is little point in the second chamber being a mirror image of the first chamber.THere are many ways of dealing with this and Thais must find a way of organising themselves here.

But here and now we are just faced with an act of monstrous impudence and stupidity by the NLA and their controllers.

It's as if I hear former Communists or Labour hard-liner left-wingers. Always the need to include qualitative adjectives, talk about puppets, controllers as if their opposition had a similar structure as themselves.

BTW independent of ones stand in the 'how to set up the senate' the impeachment is about a possible involvement in the (possibly) illegal amendment of the charter. It's not really about what those accused wanted to change nor about what they wanted to change it in.

Some might argue that in every intelligible sense the NLA is an unrepresentative puppet assembly.If you have evidence this is not the case by all means present it.

If however you are simply suggesting that totalitarian systems have much in common I agree with you - namely the current quasi fascist set up in Thailand and brutal Stalinist regimes elsewhere.Certainly both hate and fear democracy.

Your final comment attempting to excuse the NLA's insanity is rather shameful and I am sure on reflection you will agree.It's akin to saying one should not rescue a drowning man because the park regulations do not permit visitors to swim in the lake.

My dear boy, some might argue that you do not want to discuss the topic, just sprout your 'old style' rhetoric.

As for shameful, you seem to argue why a coup can be necessary AND allowed at times.

Anyway, the topic is the next step in the impeachment procedure.

[rubl]

Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition when they decide to allow free elections again. Get a majority of the opposing political party leaders banned from elections and support stron political leaders of a political party the best fits the Junta's political agfenda.

The actions of the Thai Junta-appointed NLA is no different than that taken by other military juntas all over the world. It's like page 4 from the Coup Playbook - 2007 Edition. The NCPO will go two steps further by allowing its appointed members to the NLA, NRC and CDC to run in the next election, and by allowing Suthep's political foundation to promote Democrat leaders for election.

The only reconciliation favored by the Junta is one that results in the preservation of its power for the next 20 years. No doubt Suthep supports that power so long as he shares in its benefits.

"Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition"

I'm sure former President Bill Clinton will agree with you.

[phoenixdoglover]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Because when the supposed crime was committed, it was against the existing law.

If someone robs a bank branch and later on the bank decides to close that branch, the robbers can still be taken to court even though that branch no-longer exists.

Your "rob a bank" analogy is faulty.

[rubl]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Because when the supposed crime was committed, it was against the existing law.

If someone robs a bank branch and later on the bank decides to close that branch, the robbers can still be taken to court even though that branch no-longer exists.

Your "rob a bank" analogy is faulty.

True. In this case it is more "If someone is caught trying to rob a bank branch"

[hugh2121]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Because when the supposed crime was committed, it was against the existing law.

If someone robs a bank branch and later on the bank decides to close that branch, the robbers can still be taken to court even though that branch no-longer exists.

Ah, but surely the robbers can grant themselves amnesty from prosecution?

[ratcatcher]

NLA President Pornpetch Wichitcholchai

Probably just a Wich hunt.

[jayboy]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Because when the supposed crime was committed, it was against the existing law.

If someone robs a bank branch and later on the bank decides to close that branch, the robbers can still be taken to court even though that branch no-longer exists.

Your "rob a bank" analogy is faulty.

Agreed and it's faulty because in that bank robbing analogy the original objective was morally deviant.A correct analogy would have to make it clear that the original objective was virtuous and morally desirable.

[baboon]

Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition when they decide to allow free elections again. Get a majority of the opposing political party leaders banned from elections and support stron political leaders of a political party the best fits the Junta's political agfenda.

The actions of the Thai Junta-appointed NLA is no different than that taken by other military juntas all over the world. It's like page 4 from the Coup Playbook - 2007 Edition. The NCPO will go two steps further by allowing its appointed members to the NLA, NRC and CDC to run in the next election, and by allowing Suthep's political foundation to promote Democrat leaders for election.

The only reconciliation favored by the Junta is one that results in the preservation of its power for the next 20 years. No doubt Suthep supports that power so long as he shares in its benefits.

"Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition"

I'm sure former President Bill Clinton will agree with you.

I am sure he would too, so why are you sneakily trying to imply otherwise?

[rubl]

Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition when they decide to allow free elections again. Get a majority of the opposing political party leaders banned from elections and support stron political leaders of a political party the best fits the Junta's political agfenda.

The actions of the Thai Junta-appointed NLA is no different than that taken by other military juntas all over the world. It's like page 4 from the Coup Playbook - 2007 Edition. The NCPO will go two steps further by allowing its appointed members to the NLA, NRC and CDC to run in the next election, and by allowing Suthep's political foundation to promote Democrat leaders for election.

The only reconciliation favored by the Junta is one that results in the preservation of its power for the next 20 years. No doubt Suthep supports that power so long as he shares in its benefits.

"Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition"

I'm sure former President Bill Clinton will agree with you.

I am sure he would too, so why are you sneakily trying to imply otherwise?

I'm just surprised our rickers seems to imply that the USA is suffering under a military junta.

[chainarong]

The previous constitution has been repealed and replaced.

Under what theory of law do you get prosecuted for violating a law that has been declared null and void?

Very true and lets see in the new constitution that any overthrow of an Elected Government be regarded as traitors to the country and treated accordingly, that will short circuit the military out of the regular 6 yearly Coups or would it.

[Rancid]

What only 248? They aren't even trying if looking for crooked politicians. Add in the public service and the trials would last for decades. Then if they got really serious and also went after...

[baboon]

Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition when they decide to allow free elections again. Get a majority of the opposing political party leaders banned from elections and support stron political leaders of a political party the best fits the Junta's political agfenda.

The actions of the Thai Junta-appointed NLA is no different than that taken by other military juntas all over the world. It's like page 4 from the Coup Playbook - 2007 Edition. The NCPO will go two steps further by allowing its appointed members to the NLA, NRC and CDC to run in the next election, and by allowing Suthep's political foundation to promote Democrat leaders for election.

The only reconciliation favored by the Junta is one that results in the preservation of its power for the next 20 years. No doubt Suthep supports that power so long as he shares in its benefits.

"Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition"

I'm sure former President Bill Clinton will agree with you.

I am sure he would too, so why are you sneakily trying to imply otherwise?

I'm just surprised our rickers seems to imply that the USA is suffering under a military junta.

He did no such thing. You are posting claptrap once again.

[phoenixdoglover]

I'm sure former President Bill Clinton will agree with you.

I am sure he would too, so why are you sneakily trying to imply otherwise?

I'm just surprised our rickers seems to imply that the USA is suffering under a military junta.

He did no such thing. You are posting claptrap once again.

I'm not sure it's claptrap.

It could be:

balderdash

baloney

bilge

flimflam

garbage

hogwash

hooey

horsefeathers

jazz

piffle

poppycock

rot

rubbish

tommyrot

trash

or

twaddle

Just ask me. I'm an expert in all of the above forms of incoherence.

[gemguy]

The whole affair is being orchestrated because.......Well, because they can......So......Because they can....... They are doing just that.

Cheers

[Baerboxer]

Interesting that the very act the disgraceful puppet assembly (NLA) is pursuing the ex parliamentarians for is the direction in which the British House of Lords is likely to be reformed, ie to be more representative of the people.Obviously only in the brainwashed heads of the NLA and their masters/paymasters could this be deemed as "corruption".

Of course there's a reasonable debate to be had over which if any seats in the second chamber should be nominated, provided there is a credible level of genuinely elected representatives.Equally there is little point in the second chamber being a mirror image of the first chamber.THere are many ways of dealing with this and Thais must find a way of organising themselves here.

But here and now we are just faced with an act of monstrous impudence and stupidity by the NLA and their controllers.

It's as if I hear former Communists or Labour hard-liner left-wingers. Always the need to include qualitative adjectives, talk about puppets, controllers as if their opposition had a similar structure as themselves.

BTW independent of ones stand in the 'how to set up the senate' the impeachment is about a possible involvement in the (possibly) illegal amendment of the charter. It's not really about what those accused wanted to change nor about what they wanted to change it in.

Interesting that the old style left wing rhetoric that was always full of insults and colorful derogatory adjectives is espoused so often by one whose also not short on proclaiming his own intellectual prowess. Like a blast back to the 70's and 80's;

It's a shame because it detracts from occasional good comments. Many countries have a second house with non elected or partially elected representatives. Some have fully elected ones. Thailand would do well to study these and then the Thais should decide which one is most suitable. They were previously extolling the virtues of the current German system of government so maybe there's a starting point.

PTP had the chance to change the system, with a clear majority in parliament. But their lack of respect for following parliamentary process and complying with the law let them down, as was often the case. They wanted to move restrictions so family, friends, in-laws could all be elected with no restrictions on how many times they could stand for office. This would have given some a job for life providing they did as told. It would have led to the removal of checks and balances and allowed the cabinet to act unfettered. The idea of appointing people approved and selected only by the military is also not acceptable.

If these people are to be impeached because they wanted to change things, then it's wrong. If they are being impeached because of the way the went about avoiding debate and trying to cheat the bill through parliament then they have some explaining to do.

[rubl]

I am sure he would too, so why are you sneakily trying to imply otherwise?

I'm just surprised our rickers seems to imply that the USA is suffering under a military junta.

He did no such thing. You are posting claptrap once again.

I'm not sure it's claptrap.

It could be:

balderdash

baloney

bilge

flimflam

garbage

hogwash

hooey

horsefeathers

jazz

piffle

poppycock

rot

rubbish

tommyrot

trash

or

twaddle

Just ask me. I'm an expert in all of the above forms of incoherence.

With rickers' "Impeachment is the proven tool of military juntas to eliminate political opposition ... ..."

I can only add that 'de nyle' is a river in Afrika although there also seems to be an interesting 'lady' who's a real jewel.