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What will I gain from W10?

JamieP

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JamieP Advanced Member

JamieP

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There are a few thread already about the actual process of the upgrade etc. but what will I actually gain from upgrading?

I'm currently running W7 Home Premium x64 and still stuck in the queue,

h90 Star Member

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The satisfaction from helping Microsoft stay in business.

And a friend who always like to listen what you do.....

BuaBS Senior Member

BuaBS

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A directer line to the nsa.

More options to give away your last remaining privacy ?

So microsoft gets to know you more intimately ?

jonnit Explorer Member

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If you're experience is like mine, probably a headache. Even though it downloaded and appeared to work within about an hour, it wasn't all that easy. My main problem, other than it appearing that Microsoft was trying to live inside my computer, was getting all my old programs to work from my DVD/Blu-ray drive. The main one I was trying to use was Rosetta Stone which I own in several languages, including Thai. I probably attempted about 50 different ways to start the program after reading suggestions from many forums. However, at this time most of the posts relate to Windows 7 and 8 and I could never get the permissions to start the program. I then took the hard drive out and put it aside and did a clean install of Windows 7 on a different hard drive. After that I connected my Windows 10 drive back via USB and pulled all my data back to the new drive. Everything is now working as before. I will try to put the Windows 10 disc back in service at a later date after others who have the same problem post a solution. I could probably do a clean install of Windows 10 and all would be okay, but I am okay with Windows 7 for now and will wait. Also, I may load a different hard drive within the next week or so without Rosetta Stone and then let it update to Windows 10. I'm thinking that I will get all the correct permissions by loading my programs after the conversion.

bendejo Diamond Member

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Wow! Reading about those new features was so exciting I had to change my underpants! A task bar button that does what alt-tab has been doing for decades, practically a new lease on life.

I'm running Win 7, but I don't use Aero, so peeking over my shoulder it would appear I'm running an even older version. I'll go over to Linux eventually, there is an application or two I use in Win that I haven't seen a good replacement for yet. But no hurry anyway.

Aside from managing to stay in the OS business, and keeping consumers in the fashion loop of buying the latest Windows every few years, I think MS is banking on the interoperability with Windows Phone to drive their move into the hand-held market. I had an HTC smartphone that ran WinCE, that was enough. Also, I think the new licensing/activation scheme is a precursor to something more intrusive.

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CNXTim Senior Member

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Nadella is one smart, pragmatic cookie...

The "queue" could be weeks long.. But maybe even the PantipPlaza 100 ~ 150 THB 'special' Windows installs will be given a freebie?

arjunadawn Gold Member

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As a Win8+ user you will enjoy 10. As a Win7 user you might hate it; I do. I do not use Siri but was tempted to see what Cortana was like. I realized quickly that I was then bound to use a Microsoft mail account, which one knows is tied to a second email address for lock out, perhaps a phone number, perhaps even your real name, etc. All your contacts are accessible, etc. I have been unable to use Cortana because I feel this is a step way too far. With this framework it could be argued Win10 could make my experience seamless across every aspect of my life, from shopping, preferred stores online, interests, research, porno, torrents, political orientation, residences, personal life changes, when I leave the house, where I go, how long I stop, ad infinitum. Perhaps these things are already in place with, for example, Apple. Yes, but the buck for me stopped at my own isolated portal to the internet- my home PC. From this place I can use proxies, my VPN, and constantly clean my histories, last opened documents, preferred software, perhaps even a pirated this or that here and there, and remain relatively off the grid.

I dont have an interest in making my life more marketable. I do not have a driving passion for having the things I do not know I need presented to me in a leveraged manner- for example, after searching about the death of a spouse getting ads for counseling or cemeteries unsolicited. Some want this, I do not. This Win10 appears so far to be designed to do what Apple has done, but with steroids. As a portion of the market that represents the majority there is no where else to hide once a person subsumes into the Windows/Apple model. Furthermore, besides thinking Win8+ sucked with or without the Apps, I dont want Apps. I dont want to be convinced they are the future. I dont want them.

Win10 comes with all the privacy settings suspect, and requires you change them all. Still, to enjoy the full scope of features- which for me so far is voice- requires a marriage I do not want. The first thing I did was load Win7 on virtualbox then load win10 to note the process. It was pretty seamless, I concur. But then my instinct was to search for what was familiar, and it remains the case that what makes the product remotely valuable is that Win7 lies beneath the bells and whistles. Win7 is there. Microsoft markets this as a plus as appealing to our win7 and win8 customers. So, why the win10? Well, because win8 was an attack on the Apple market and it bombed. Win7 is what people want. Marry the two as overlay, improve win8, and make optouts more difficult, and then you will not know you are basically using snake oil. In fact, all the free versions do not allow certain optouts or turn offs.

I will not use Win10. I am certain win10 will be significantly changed. There is no way I am a lone voice in the wilderness who does not want all this crap they want to push, nor surrender what remaining dignity and anonymity I have. They say this is the last windows, meaning it is presumed, that what comes next will be called something else. But I think this will not be the end of the story. Edge is snappy. Win10 seems quick. But the negatives for many may for outweigh the benefits. Besides, if anyone recalls the debacle with xp and win8 they will know people do not want to change. Perhaps that is why at least 49 million people had win10 downloaded without their knowledge and it went active on the 29th or why once the updates installed that notified people that they were in line to receive win10 many of them will get it by surprise. I personally will only use it in virtualbox for curiosity, and to remain abreast.

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kennw Gold Member

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Download w10 from W7 no problems then I found I could no longer use my HP 1005 laser jet printer. Troubleshooting gave the following answer "USB Printing support is an older USB device and may not work with USB 3.0" . Same laptop as before same USB port same printer. Called HP currently they do not have a fix, and don't know when they might. Tried to delete all HP printer stuff and reload, cannot delete the files. The "deleting files" message goes into continuous restarts. Printer is about 4 yrs old, in my book not "Old" and it was still working well. Any one else had similar experience?

Brit_Doggie Silver Member

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Win 8 users will love it I'm win 7 lover so will prolly h8 it even though I to am stuck in the queue so drown those sorrows there is someone else worse off than you, and for those who believe the media fastrack is there it isn't for me lol error upon error.

arjunadawn Gold Member

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Download w10 from W7 no problems then I found I could no longer use my HP 1005 laser jet printer. Troubleshooting gave the following answer "USB Printing support is an older USB device and may not work with USB 3.0" . Same laptop as before same USB port same printer. Called HP currently they do not have a fix, and don't know when they might. Tried to delete all HP printer stuff and reload, cannot delete the files. The "deleting files" message goes into continuous restarts. Printer is about 4 yrs old, in my book not "Old" and it was still working well. Any one else had similar experience?

Sorry. If you have a few hours you can load free virtualbox then load the w7 into that. The install the virtualbox guest additions. You should then be able to drag and drop into the vb window and print.

mrfill Platinum Member

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Wow! Reading about those new features was so exciting I had to change my underpants! A task bar button that does what alt-tab has been doing for decades, practically a new lease on life.

I'm running Win 7, but I don't use Aero, so peeking over my shoulder it would appear I'm running an even older version. I'll go over to Linux eventually, there is an application or two I use in Win that I haven't seen a good replacement for yet. But no hurry anyway.

Aside from managing to stay in the OS business, and keeping consumers in the fashion loop of buying the latest Windows every few years, I think MS is banking on the interoperability with Windows Phone to drive their move into the hand-held market. I had an HTC smartphone that ran WinCE, that was enough. Also, I think the new licensing/activation scheme is a precursor to something more intrusive.

You could quite probably run the progs you need using Wine or something similar in Linux. I use Dreamweaver this way and it runs considerably quicker than in native WIndoze.

I changed to Linux just before Vista emerged as I thought it would be terrible. That was 2006, and I've never looked back. Nearly 10 years of trouble free operation later and I'm glad I don't have to enlarge Micro$oft's (and the anti virus prog companies) wealth at regular intervals. Mind you, I'm not into games or excessive bling.

Bangkok Barry Diamond Member

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The satisfaction from helping Microsoft stay in business.

Er, Win 10 is free. How does that help them stay in business?

Related, I reserved a copy and am still waiting to be told it's ready. Could be weeks. So I just downloaded a copy. What was the point of reserving if you get it last?

dddave Platinum Member

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"I dont have an interest in making my life more marketable. I do not have a driving passion for having the things I do not know I need presented to me in a leveraged manner- for example, after searching about the death of a spouse getting ads for counseling or cemeteries unsolicited. Some want this, I do not. This Win10 appears so far to be designed to do what Apple has done, but with steroids. As a portion of the market that represents the majority there is no where else to hide once a person subsumes into the Windows/Apple model. Furthermore, besides thinking Win8+ sucked with or without the Apps, I dont want Apps. I dont want to be convinced they are the future. I dont want them."



Nicely thought out post. I especially liked the above.




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Nowisee Advanced Member

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How exciting to upgrade to Windoz 10...

Now you get to stay up all night and trouble shoot what went wrong and how to fix all those settings...55555

What will you gain?

A big fat headache....

Sent from my iPad

Shiver Advanced Member

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I'm Win7 (and a reluctant departure from XP user). I think the next OS change (only when forced to) will be Linux. Partly that is for it's more honest approach to what an operating system should be, partly because of less attacks from virus makers, but also because of the spirit of the people that continue to improve it.

I tried Win8 on a friends computer and as might be expected, felt I couldn't get access to my own computer and it was cock blocking everything I tried to do.

There is no way I'll ever let Win10 near a computer that I use every day. It can 'talk to the hand'.

quandow Silver Member

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To the OP. There is a little known trick that can answer all your questions. It's called GOOGLE.

But Google won't include all the cynicism nor the clever quips.

Loptr Gold Member

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You do know that this free upgrade to Windoz 10 comes along with some rather egregious invasion into your privacy, right?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-02/surveillance-state-goes-mainstream-windows-10-watching-logging-everything


If Edward Snowden's patriotic exposure of all things 'super secret surveillance state' in America were not enough, Newsweek reports that, as 10s of millions of hungry PC users download the free upgrade, Windows 10 is watching - and logging and sharing - everything users do... and we mean everything.

ozyjon Silver Member

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I think the Windows hype is well and truly over

i bought a new lightweight notebook for travel

came with Windows 8, i don't like the interface

so i loaded Classic shell, looks like Win 7 so

here i will stay forever.

ggt Platinum Member

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Running Windows 8.1...have no intention of going to W10...my experience is that Microsoft takes away useful tasks from the user in each of its new systems...creates problems and can not be trusted to stay out of your business...I no longer do any updates as I have become tired of trying to work thru problems their updates create...

Long time computer guy...short fuse with Microsoft...

rapom Explorer Member

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You do know that this free upgrade to Windoz 10 comes along with some rather egregious invasion into your privacy, right?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-02/surveillance-state-goes-mainstream-windows-10-watching-logging-everything

If Edward Snowden's patriotic exposure of all things 'super secret surveillance state' in America were not enough, Newsweek reports that, as 10s of millions of hungry PC users download the free upgrade, Windows 10 is watching - and logging and sharing - everything users do... and we mean everything.

You do know that every time that you use Google or Yahoo or any search engine, it also collects information and shares it with online advertising companies. Most websites you visit, attach cookies to your browser. Microsoft isn't doing anything different than Android, Apple or Amazon.

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