yellowboat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 This poor sap; I almost feel sorry for him. He is so far over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? So he is going to remain after saying he wants democracy and elections, as well as, giving a time frame ? Once there is an election who do you think is going to be running Thailand ? This is all just one big disruption . The Shinawatras will remain in control and the US and other countries know this. It is just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 PM pleads with his opponents in the US to think about the country’s image He should turn that advice right back on himself. He has blown the image of this country up so badly it will take years to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Everything they did would reflect on the country’s image and reputation, he added without elaborating. does that mean they should think before acting or making statements? Who is the role model there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 This poor sap; I almost feel sorry for him. He is so far over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? Yes, if that is what the electorate vote for in a free and fair election, or do you consider your needs and wishes to be more important than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 This poor sap; I almost feel sorry for him. He is so far over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? Yes, if that is what the electorate vote for in a free and fair election, or do you consider your needs and wishes to be more important than that? People get the governments they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Ahh. Article 44 & LM laws are not applicable in the US eh? It must be driving him nuts. God damn democracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonclark Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) There is clearly a lack of understanding going on here. Democracy is far from perfect and has many rough edges. But the PM needs to be careful. On one hand he is going to address the UN on Thailand's progress according to 'his' democratic road-map, but on the other hand he is telling / demanding / pleading with his detractors to not protest (and by inference) use their democratic right of freedom of expression and assembly. This could well leave delegates scratching their heads and wondering just how much of the road-map will be transferred from words into actions and what a future democratic Thailand will actually look like. It would have been far better if the PM had either said nothing or said something along the lines of 'peaceful protests which follow the law are an important part of a democracy'. Flouncing off the UN with this story of 'saving the image of Thailand' is a bit of a bogus message. Edited September 26, 2015 by jonclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 They got pushed aside and ignored due to the Pope's event at General Assembly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 There is clearly a lack of understanding going on here. Democracy is far from perfect and has many rough edges. But the PM needs to be careful. On one hand he is going to address the UN on Thailand's progress according to 'his' democratic road-map, but on the other hand he is telling / demanding / pleading with his detractors to not protest (and by inference) use their democratic right of freedom of expression and assembly. This could well leave delegates scratching their heads and wondering just how much of the road-map will be transferred from words into actions and what a future democratic Thailand will actually look like. It would have been far better if the PM had either said nothing or said something along the lines of 'peaceful protests which follow the law are an important part of a democracy'. Flouncing off the UN with this story of 'saving the image of Thailand' is a bit of a bogus message. You make a good point, but I don't think that the other delegates will be in the slightest bit uncertain as to what a future "democratic Thailand" will be like if "The Last Hope for Saving the Nation's" plans come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 In NY, two protest permits have been granted. The first is for the "Anti-Coup" group, which was granted permission to hold their protest on 1st Ave, directly in front of the UN. The second was for the "Pro-Junta" group, which was given permission to hold their protest on 2nd Ave - a block away! And they are not allowed to leave that area. So, tell me which group the UN is going to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustdevil Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 It's like a husband trying to win a domestic dispute by saying "Keep your voice down, what will the neighbours think?" This really is rather pathetic. When in Rome......I do believe freedom of speech is allowed in New York. Malay authorities always have their fascist minders keeping tabs on Malaysian students in the U.S. At my graduate university in Illinois, there was plenty of that, plus some Malay males trying to coerce Malay females into marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustdevil Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Typical propaganda tactic: accuse the enemy of your own crime. The big tarnishing was the illegal seizure of power and the destruction of democracy by Chan-ocha himself. Democracy? In Thailand? LOL good one. Can you give some examples of the workings of "democracy"; other than a "right to vote"? The right to vote is where it all starts. Take that away and you destroy democracy. It doesn't matter whether you approve or disapprove of the elected government. It should be replaced or retained by the democratic process - the right to vote is the crux of the matter. I believe the other two components are equally important: freedom of speech and accountability of government. After all the Malaysians elected Mahathir and Najib and what kind of democracy have they got? Mussolini was elected, wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Typical propaganda tactic: accuse the enemy of your own crime. The big tarnishing was the illegal seizure of power and the destruction of democracy by Chan-ocha himself. Democracy? In Thailand? LOL good one. Can you give some examples of the workings of "democracy"; other than a "right to vote"? The right to vote is where it all starts. Take that away and you destroy democracy. It doesn't matter whether you approve or disapprove of the elected government. It should be replaced or retained by the democratic process - the right to vote is the crux of the matter. I believe the "crux of the matter" is Rule of Law. Without it there is NO democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Rot and utter tosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustdevil Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 In NY, two protest permits have been granted. The first is for the "Anti-Coup" group, which was granted permission to hold their protest on 1st Ave, directly in front of the UN. The second was for the "Pro-Junta" group, which was given permission to hold their protest on 2nd Ave - a block away! And they are not allowed to leave that area. So, tell me which group the UN is going to see? I'm sure the diplomats get around a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalansanitwong Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 These Thai elite never get the message do they? They live in a dream world of Merceds Benz and airconditioned mansions in Bangkok. Theyre worried about Thailands image in the USA? Most yanks wouldnt even know where Thailand is. If Thailand didnt have a tarnished image alot fewer people would come here. lol Most people in America wouldnt know who Prayuth is little own care. What are the first things most people think of when they hear the word 'Thailand'... gogo bars,drugs and sex. Very few people will say temples,national parks and beautiful beaches. Thailand needs to protect its tarnished image not get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom21 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I would love to comment on the op but what I would say is against the forum rules so I just say I am not impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 This poor sap; I almost feel sorry for him. He is so far over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? Yes, if that is what the electorate vote for in a free and fair election, or do you consider your needs and wishes to be more important than that? The integrity of "the vote" in this village, and others, is a joke. People around here have been downtrodden for so long they will do anything for a few extra baht. They don't care a/b politics but only who can give more for a vote. Oh and T.S. was rife with handouts to these poor souls. Before his handouts most governments - from what I've been told - were not in the least bit interested in helping (in any way). That's the reason T.S. is admired, and the only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I have visited Thailand many times I have lived there for an extended period of time also. The image I have is a country clueless, lawless, prostitution, corruption, crumbling infrastructure, racism, xenophobia, feudal, a wasted uneducated population. I have some very good memories of people, places and experiences, however the country is in need of help that is sadly not forthcoming by those in Thailand that are in a position to improve the image by improving the country for it's people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 A government is not a country. Protests against current politics are not an attack against Thailand as a nation. I would feel uncomfortable if no one disagreed with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmac10 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 This poor sap; I almost feel sorry for him. He is so far over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? A ha, thought it wouldn't be too long before someone came up with "Shin" blah blah blah. As if it was the only corrupt government ever in the history of Thailand. One side blagging the other, how ridiculous. Meanwhile, the elites are back in power through their military proxies and the plundering is well under way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 This poor sap; I almost feel sorry for him. He is so far over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? Yes, if that is what the electorate vote for in a free and fair election, or do you consider your needs and wishes to be more important than that? The integrity of "the vote" in this village, and others, is a joke. People around here have been downtrodden for so long they will do anything for a few extra baht. They don't care a/b politics but only who can give more for a vote. Oh and T.S. was rife with handouts to these poor souls. Before his handouts most governments - from what I've been told - were not in the least bit interested in helping (in any way). That's the reason T.S. is admired, and the only reason. Exactly, he did what the elitists and the yellows were too stupid to do. He reached out to the majority and won. Abhisit to this day cannot campaign in Issan or the north as he and others largely ignored these people. Now they wield huge power over Thailand. Power only the Army can contain, dubiously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 What planet is this man living on ? He takes over a country in a military coup then has the cheek to tell those who will demonstrate their opposition not to tarnish the country's image ! Maybe he thinks they're infringing on his patent to make a fool of himself and the country. Agree, but thing is, most were quite happy to have him intervene to stop the escalating hubris of the latest moves by Taksin via his newest proxy, notably the rice pledging fiasco and the amnesty bill. However, few knew this junta would go so far in the suppression of ever dissenting voices. Prayuth is not Sondhi. Too late now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 That is the Patriotic Defense - Don't hurt the image of our country ... like he hasn't ??? This might have more force if better more substantive efforts of "Reconciliation" had been used in Thailand. But they haven't have they So have a nice trip. Sorry about the image being tarnished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 And what are T.S.'s sentiments about democracy? :-) over his head. He's such an embarrassment for Thailand. Maybe he should think about "the country's image" and step down. Step down? And what then? Let the corrupt/immoral/unethical Shin mafia back in to pillage and plunder the remaining funds and people of Thailand? So he is going to remain after saying he wants democracy and elections, as well as, giving a time frame ? Once there is an election who do you think is going to be running Thailand ? This is all just one big disruption . The Shinawatras will remain in control and the US and other countries know this. It is just a matter of time. It does not matter. They control the majority and this coup has done nothing to change that. In fact the Shinawatras are probably going to be seen as stronger when good general toddles off one day . Had Ying Luck, not tried to pardon her brother or have the government stupidly encroach on the trading of rice, where would Thailand be today ? Where would it be if zero politicians were corrupt? Unfortunately, that is all theory. Prayut just happens to be the lesser of....... something I'd better not say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 He's a disgrace encased in hypocrisy and wrapped up in delusion anti-Junta protest "think of the country you traitors" pro-junta protest "thank you for your support showing all Thais truly love me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 He's a disgrace encased in hypocrisy and wrapped up in delusion anti-Junta protest "think of the country you traitors" pro-junta protest "thank you for your support showing all Thais truly love me" Yeah, That is an elitist serving view. He has done nothing but create more contempt in the country. He is not a fair person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow64 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) A coup doesnt affect the countries image. Neither does ..... Better not say or I may get an attitude adjustment, Sent from my c64 Edited September 26, 2015 by wow64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc925 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Seriously ?? You illegally take over the government and you honestly think people admire your actions??? You are criminals .. face reality .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Typical propaganda tactic: accuse the enemy of your own crime. The big tarnishing was the illegal seizure of power and the destruction of democracy by Chan-ocha himself. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/power-in-relationships/200905/are-you-being-gaslighted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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