Hi-So biking

[h90]

I saw yesterday a group biking....super flashy clothes, mixed women and man + 1 tandem with father and son. Looked like the back one was for a child.

Estimate 8-12 people.

With a car following them for supply.

Part of my love for the bicycle is the feeling of freedom and independence, I can't imagine to have a slave driving behind me all the time.

And if than the obvious choice would be a MiniVan, so you can brake and escape the heat a bit. Or maybe they have their brakes at nice restaurants already planned.

When I passed them I greeted them, they only looked at me with surprise. (Here actually every bicycle greets the others (there aren't many), don't know why, so I got the habit as well).

What is your take on that?

Or maybe it is only strange for an European, for a wealthy Thai who has always 3 maids it is a logic thing to do?

[GarryP]

You want hi-so cycling just look at Villagefarang's and Moonoi's rides. That's pretty hi-so in my book.

Unfortunately, I am too lo-so to be able to afford either of their fine rides (I mean bicycles so get your mind out of the gutter haha).

[h90]

You want hi-so cycling just look at Villagefarang's and Moonoi's rides. That's pretty hi-so in my book.

Unfortunately, I am too lo-so to be able to afford either of their fine rides (I mean bicycles so get your mind out of the gutter haha).

They have good bikes. I also love the perfectness of expensive bikes. Having a cheap or an expensive bike you are flying alone or with a friend over the streets. But my point is more the support car behind.

[villagefarang]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that can’t be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I don’t do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I don’t see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

[SoiBiker]

I see them round here a fair bit. Decked out in full Tour de France gear for a potter down the soi to a fancy cafe. Still, they're enjoying themselves, so why not?

[Puwa]

Jesus, man, live and let live. Why is it any of your business what they do?

If there is such a thing as a cycling community, it is based on our appreciating what we have in common-- a love of biking-- not on sitting around disparaging each other.

[SoiBiker]

Jesus, man, live and let live. Why is it any of your business what they do?

If there is such a thing as a cycling community, it is based on our appreciating what we have in common-- a love of biking-- not on sitting around disparaging each other.

Absolutely. It doesn't matter if they don't do it the way you would.

[MaeJoMTB]

They are all over the road to Wat Doi Suthep at weekend mornings on their 100k+ bikes.

I sail past them on my 15k bike.

They got the gear but they ain't got the legs.

Mostly a friendly bunch though.

We usually all wave and say hi, as I pass them.

[h90]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that can’t be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I don’t do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I don’t see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

[h90]

They are all over the road to Wat Doi Suthep at weekend mornings on their 100k+ bikes.

I sail past them on my 15k bike.

They got the gear but they ain't got the legs.

Mostly a friendly bunch though.

We usually all wave and say hi, as I pass them.

I think it is less the legs than the heart

[h90]

I see them round here a fair bit. Decked out in full Tour de France gear for a potter down the soi to a fancy cafe. Still, they're enjoying themselves, so why not?

yes nice...here the same, but not all. Had recently a guy I could just follow in the wind shadow, obviously older army guy, from what he gave me commands with the hand like a squat leader, lol and we got overtaken by two other...One of on a MTB (on the street, all others on road bikes). All very obvious army.

(to be better than me is not that difficult after 15 years in the office, and typing on keyboard as only cardio training and the Dengue Fever throw me even more back (just to mention it again....everyone try to avoid that disease (avoid mosquito bites) even the harmless version is most unpleasent and it can kill you or like that famous guy amputation of one foot....so TAKE CARE, I am 3 km/h average slower than before)).

[cornishcarlos]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that can’t be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I don’t do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I don’t see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

You don't own a helmet ?

Well my take on that is you must be an uneducated lo-so

As for the support car, I think it's a safe option if a group of inexperienced cyclists are on a main road... Saves a drunk taking them all out, hopefully just rear end the support vehicle !

[StreetCowboy]

We were lucky that someone volunteered for our pubcycle ride last month. Although he did get lost twice, as a couple of the sections we took were not passable to motor vehicles, and he had to detour to reach the pub stops. He also put his hand in his pocket as beer sponsor - very much appreciated! We were fortunate that his assistance was not needed, though one of the bar managers was so keen to get down to see us he turned his ankle on the way into work, and we had to help him into a taxi.

Last weekend we ran into a bunch of lycra-clad cyclists out on the highway motorbike lane, and took great delight in chasing them down and passing them, though to be fair, they were nearing the end of their 85 km ride, we were about half way round ur shorter ride, and had the added motivation of the Tigers calling to us from the pub at the end of the ride.

The weekend before, there was a local "cycling for health and fitness" promotion; the first group I saw was about forty blokes on road bikes with a pokice escort that looked for all the world like a race; then about 20 of all ages on all sorts of bikes, and then another group of about 40 on mostly mountain bikes and folding bikes.

People can wear what they want, and ride whatever bike they want; it's their money they're spending, and there's times I've wished I had a van to get me home after an inconvenient puncture.

SC

[h90]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that can’t be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I don’t do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I don’t see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

You don't own a helmet ?

Well my take on that is you must be an uneducated lo-so

As for the support car, I think it's a safe option if a group of inexperienced cyclists are on a main road... Saves a drunk taking them all out, hopefully just rear end the support vehicle !

I am educated lo-so rider

that point with the car being the rear guard is a valid point and allows them to bike side by side without worry. I didn't think of that before.

Going sometimes on the street to Don Sak.....MiniVans and pickups driving whatever the engine can do....a minority (0.5 %) but extreme dangerous to biker.

[apetley]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that can’t be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I don’t do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I don’t see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

[StreetCowboy]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that can’t be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I don’t do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I don’t see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Maybe it'll be too late then. His dependents might have a view, though

[SoiBiker]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that cant be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I dont do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I dont see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

[thaiduncankk]

Jesus, man, live and let live. Why is it any of your business what they do?

If there is such a thing as a cycling community, it is based on our appreciating what we have in common-- a love of biking-- not on sitting around disparaging each other.

Why did you butt in ? He is entitled to his opinion ?

[apetley]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that cant be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I dont do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I dont see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

The main thrust of that article seems to be aimed at the health benefits of cycling which may be lost by fewer people taking up the pursuit by being forced by law to wear a helmet.

I am not for compulsory wearing, but still strongly recommend it, so long as the rider has adequate insurance. Everyone should be free to take their own risks as long as those risks impact only themselves and do not place a burden on society should the worst happen.

My main tests as to whether helmets are of use or not is by looking at what professional riders are wearing and this simple test. Put on a cycling helmet, headbutt a kerb stone hard as you can. Repeat without the helmet.

[StreetCowboy]

...

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

The main thrust of that article seems to be aimed at the health benefits of cycling which may be lost by fewer people taking up the pursuit by being forced by law to wear a helmet.

I am not for compulsory wearing, but still strongly recommend it, so long as the rider has adequate insurance. Everyone should be free to take their own risks as long as those risks impact only themselves and do not place a burden on society should the worst happen.

My main tests as to whether helmets are of use or not is by looking at what professional riders are wearing and this simple test. Put on a cycling helmet, headbutt a kerb stone hard as you can. Repeat without the helmet.

People sometimes laugh at my helmet, and say "That's not going to do much good when some dopey drives into you at 60 kph texting on their phone", but they';re wrong. The helmet is not to stop you getting broken legs or whatever from that accident. The helmet is to stop that accident being compounded with brain damage when you hit the ground after, or to stop you getting brain damage when you hit a sunken drain cover, and subsequently the ground.

I could continue working with one leg, if I lost an arm, or whatever. Brain damage, less so; so until my kids have finished university, I'll keep wearing a helmet.

[StreetCowboy]

I am following a friend on FaceBook who is providing support for a group of 88 riders traveling from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Executives at SCB are avid cyclists and have organized this multi-day event in conjunction with Bike for Dad. I think it is great that they are doing this as it will raise the profile of cycling and that cant be a bad thing. I am also sure it will provide lifelong memories for those who are riding as well.

I have got to say, one reason I dont do multi-day rides is the need to carry all your own gear. What is the point of having a really nice bike if you weigh it down with all that luggage? Hi-So seems to be a favorite putdown term on ThaiVisa but I think it is overused. Why should anyone be offended by someone riding a bike, regardless of what kind of bike, alone or in a group, supported or not?

My bike might be expensive but the only thing that really counts is how nice it is to ride. I dont see anything Hi-So about being out on a bike in the midday sun sweating and testing your limits of endurance.

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

I've come off my bike a couple of times, and my helmet did no good whatsoever. I'm not sure about the next time, though.

I've not yet identified an accident scenario where the helmet makes things worse.

SC

[h90]

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

The main thrust of that article seems to be aimed at the health benefits of cycling which may be lost by fewer people taking up the pursuit by being forced by law to wear a helmet.

I am not for compulsory wearing, but still strongly recommend it, so long as the rider has adequate insurance. Everyone should be free to take their own risks as long as those risks impact only themselves and do not place a burden on society should the worst happen.

My main tests as to whether helmets are of use or not is by looking at what professional riders are wearing and this simple test. Put on a cycling helmet, headbutt a kerb stone hard as you can. Repeat without the helmet.

I think it complete depends....bicycle in Bangkok...absolute yes....but better would be to go with a tank instead of a bike.

Here: mostly flat (so no 100 km/h down the mountain), mostly on the backstreet with 2 cars passing farmer Somchai driving 50 on the straight street: No real reason....the same for the motorbike helmet (which seems to be an unknown product here).

Insurance: I have non, no medical, no old age, no fire, no nothing.....But I guess I am in the 30 Baht system as I work with workpermit

[StreetCowboy]

...I've come off my bike a couple of times, and my helmet did no good whatsoever. I'm not sure about the next time, though.

I've not yet identified an accident scenario where the helmet makes things worse.

SC

And immediately after posting that, I went downstairs and jumped on my bike to cycle in to work ... just a minute - there's something missing from this picture - no helmet!

Too bad - it's only 4 km each way, and I'm a little bit late as it is...

But for a leisure ride, I would've gone back up to get the helmet - because it's longer, and there's no pressure to get there in time

[apetley]

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

The main thrust of that article seems to be aimed at the health benefits of cycling which may be lost by fewer people taking up the pursuit by being forced by law to wear a helmet.

I am not for compulsory wearing, but still strongly recommend it, so long as the rider has adequate insurance. Everyone should be free to take their own risks as long as those risks impact only themselves and do not place a burden on society should the worst happen.

My main tests as to whether helmets are of use or not is by looking at what professional riders are wearing and this simple test. Put on a cycling helmet, headbutt a kerb stone hard as you can. Repeat without the helmet.

I think it complete depends....bicycle in Bangkok...absolute yes....but better would be to go with a tank instead of a bike.

Here: mostly flat (so no 100 km/h down the mountain), mostly on the backstreet with 2 cars passing farmer Somchai driving 50 on the straight street: No real reason....the same for the motorbike helmet (which seems to be an unknown product here).

Insurance: I have non, no medical, no old age, no fire, no nothing.....But I guess I am in the 30 Baht system as I work with workpermit

At least you have some insurance but will the 30 bht scheme give the care you need if you suffer some brain injury falling off your bike or will you be relying on your family for that care?

Hilly or flat makes no difference, you can always knock your head and the poor state of the road furniture here can increase the chance of a bad hit.

[StreetCowboy]

I wear my helmet not because I go down a few hills at 60 kph, but because when I fall off my bike, it's five feet down till I hit the ground. Whether I'm hammering it down at 60 kph, or standing balancing on the pedals stationary trying to figure out where to go next.

[Puwa]

Jesus, man, live and let live. Why is it any of your business what they do?

If there is such a thing as a cycling community, it is based on our appreciating what we have in common-- a love of biking-- not on sitting around disparaging each other.

Why did you butt in ? He is entitled to his opinion ?

I wasn't depriving him of his opinion. He is entitled to his, I am entitled to mine, and you are entitled to yours. See how it works?

[h90]

I am not negative....I am just surprised and a bit amused. I am a loner and I can't understand that group idea, but of course everyone the way they like....

And funny everyone has the helmet...I don't even own one.

As for the helmet you'll probably wish you owned one should you ever fall or get knocked off your bike and smash your head into the road.

Actually, the issue of whether helmets are beneficial is far from being as simple as that. There's quite a debate about it. For example - http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefings/cycle-helmets

The main thrust of that article seems to be aimed at the health benefits of cycling which may be lost by fewer people taking up the pursuit by being forced by law to wear a helmet.

I am not for compulsory wearing, but still strongly recommend it, so long as the rider has adequate insurance. Everyone should be free to take their own risks as long as those risks impact only themselves and do not place a burden on society should the worst happen.

My main tests as to whether helmets are of use or not is by looking at what professional riders are wearing and this simple test. Put on a cycling helmet, headbutt a kerb stone hard as you can. Repeat without the helmet.

I think it complete depends....bicycle in Bangkok...absolute yes....but better would be to go with a tank instead of a bike.

Here: mostly flat (so no 100 km/h down the mountain), mostly on the backstreet with 2 cars passing farmer Somchai driving 50 on the straight street: No real reason....the same for the motorbike helmet (which seems to be an unknown product here).

Insurance: I have non, no medical, no old age, no fire, no nothing.....But I guess I am in the 30 Baht system as I work with workpermit

At least you have some insurance but will the 30 bht scheme give the care you need if you suffer some brain injury falling off your bike or will you be relying on your family for that care?

Hilly or flat makes no difference, you can always knock your head and the poor state of the road furniture here can increase the chance of a bad hit.

yes but with all the thousands of km I rode on the bike, I never fell. I had just 2 almost accidents.

But I did fall down the stairs 3 times.....So with your logic I should wear the helmet at home, but not when riding the bike?

[h90]

I wear my helmet not because I go down a few hills at 60 kph, but because when I fall off my bike, it's five feet down till I hit the ground. Whether I'm hammering it down at 60 kph, or standing balancing on the pedals stationary trying to figure out where to go next.

It is still 5-6 feet down when you walk in your house or in the supermarket. Or have it different. How many times did you crash the last 5 years of biking?

If a couple of times the helmet is a good idea. I read from a guy whos carbon pedal broke, causing a terrible accident (and could have been worse if there would have been a car/truck/etc behind him. So sure you are right. Always something can happen, but I think the chance is low, but than we would have to wear full protective gear all the time (some girl recently fall out of the bed and broke her neck, dead). For me some risk is worth to have the sun shine on my head. Others may think complete different, which is OK. But what surprises me that now everyone wears helmet. Back in Europe 15-20 years ago there was no single helmet seen (beside on MTB, but there also 50% only)

[StreetCowboy]

I felt a bit Lady Godiva cycling in this morning bare-headed.

I still haven't identified any disadvantages of wearing a helmet. Except, maybe, as I mentioned in another thread, it's hard to pick up chicks in the beer bars with a sweaty helmet

SC

[h90]

Jesus, man, live and let live. Why is it any of your business what they do?

If there is such a thing as a cycling community, it is based on our appreciating what we have in common-- a love of biking-- not on sitting around disparaging each other.

Why did you butt in ? He is entitled to his opinion ?

I wasn't depriving him of his opinion. He is entitled to his, I am entitled to mine, and you are entitled to yours. See how it works?

Guys that topic is NOT serious....peace.....