taninthai Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 At least they admit they have problems and will put them right.i guess no body is perfect ,we all make mistakes. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/december/recall-yamaha-2015-yzf-r1-and-yzf-r1m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soihok Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 WOW. This is a shocker isn't it. Complete rebuild of every R1 / R1M gearbox on the road / track worldwide. That is a huge undertaking, but as you say, at least they are owning up to it. Its going to costly (the MCN report reckons each UK bike will cost about 1000 quid each in labor alone !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 yep huge task they have sold more a less every r1 that has arrived in the uk and at 16 hours labour per bike would imagine a back log of work ,wonder if owners will get compensated for inconvienience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj916 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 KERCHING!! But as others have said, fair play to Yamaha for admitting the problem and getting it sorted. Wonder if the affected parts were out sourced or Yamaha made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 A quote from Yamaha USA's letter: “In affected motorcycles, both second gear wheel and pinion gears in the transmission may break as a result of extremely high stress and/or improper shifting. This is due to inadequate component strength and stress concentration at the gear teeth bottom land. In addition, the third and fourth wheel gears may be deformed or break as a result of excessive stress caused by hard usage. This is due to inadequate component strength. If gears fail, the transmission could lock up, causing loss of control that could result in a crash with injury or death." I am very surprised to hear this coming from Yamaha and I can also see the potential for a whole bunch of lawsuits hitting them. In a letter to UK owners Yamaha say: "contact your authorised Yamaha dealer at your earliest convenience, quoting your machine’s Chassis Number and current mileage, to arrange a mutually convenient appointment for them to replace the transmission assembly" Shouldn't there be a greater sense of urgency to the process given Yamaha know it has potentially lethal design faults? If I owned the latest R1 there is no way I would ride the thing until this was fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi850m2 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yes the transmission locking up is the last thing you want when riding one of those. In the US, Yamaha could be sued for millions of $ if above happens and somebody get killed/injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yes the transmission locking up is the last thing you want when riding one of those. In the US, Yamaha could be sued for millions of $ if above happens and somebody get killed/injured. Pulling the clutch in would end the lock up. I guess its easy to say from the comfort of my sofa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiniyow Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 And I thought VW had its share of problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Damned Chinese bikes. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 AFAIK yamaha etc have an agreement with retailers / shops to agree to do warranty / campaigns at reduced labour cost. At least have been the case in some markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yes the transmission locking up is the last thing you want when riding one of those. In the US, Yamaha could be sued for millions of $ if above happens and somebody get killed/injured. Pulling the clutch in would end the lock up.I guess its easy to say from the comfort of my sofa. Pulling the clutch in would not work in the event of transmission seizure as the transmission is downstream from the clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Imagine cooking into a corner, leaned over, on the throttle - rear tire locks up ! Reminds me of the Isle of Mann when young Dunlop had his rear wheel break apart ! Hats off to Yamaha for going public with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 16 hrs is pretty damn good to split the c/cases and replace a gearbox cluster and re-assemble. That is fast work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj916 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Think if I was an owner, I would be pushing for a refund. Not sure I would be happy with a completely stripped and rebuilt engine. Especially if it's done by the workshop dogsbody. It's got to affect the future second hand value as well. You would have a pretty good chance in the UK under 'fit for purpose' legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I don't think any Yamaha main agent has a "dogsbody" working on engines. Every Main dealer workshop in Europe, regardless of manufacturer, have trained technicians, each having to go on various courses, up dates, etc, for particular models. Splitting cases and building gearboxes is not for the un-initiated, nor the faint hearted, but for trained, talented, methodical technicians (mechanics/grease monkeys). ... Like wot i woz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Why are you all congratulating Yamaha here for owning up, this is potentially a lethal fault...I wonder what your comments would be if it were a Chinese bike? With all their experience in engineering, this issue has to have emanated from Yamaha's accounts department and I think we can expect more now that the bean-counters have taken over in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBike09 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Anyone know if Yamaha Thailand has issued a recall? And presumably anyone with a grey market import would be out of luck as far as a free gearbox rebuild is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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