Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers

[stephenterry]

this matter is now between Burma and Thailand

Yes it is! and they have already stated that it will have no affect on relations between the two countries as they can see that justice has been done according to Thai law and they have no issues with them being found guilty and being handed down the death sentence!!

Diplomatic speak, but they are going to defend the b2 right through the appeals process. Indicates to me that they do not agree with the verdict.

[balo]

The reason the brother sounds happy is,he has been led to believe that what is being said and done in law??? here is correct.Yes he has found closure,but im certain if he can read all the findings and comments that have appeared since and after the trial,then I think he would be a different person,Not that i would like him to suffer any more,But It would be nice for him to know the true facts as they have been dealt,and then he no doubt could read between the lines,and find out,just what has already been said,IN THAILAND THERE IS NO JUSTICE FOR FARANGS<REGARDLESS WHAT COLOUR>or what crime.THATS FACT.

No, the facts are that we do not know all the facts ! We do not have the same access to evidence as the brother of David . His statement was very strong, he has been following this murder case from day 1. We should be very careful to judge him, why he is so convinced the B2 did it ?

Was it all a big lie and coverup from the police or did he see something that made him certain they got the right suspects? Or was he just beng ignorant ? All I know is that he is convinced and we should respect that .

[NextStationBangkok]

It is police proved DNA test. Not any independent or international agencies probed this. Even biggest award winning Forensic expert of Thailand Kuning Pornthip was not allowed to touch the case.

No.1-100 reason the cases is flawed, because the original DNA is no more to be tested by international experts in the future. According to Thai police it is all used up ? I dont think any international police would destroy or fully use their key evidence ????

[tingtongfarang]

From the Judge's verdict report via KhaoSod

The two defendants said they suddenly had the idea of going swimming in the sea on their way back to the residence. It was in the dead of the night, and it was raining slightly. It is unimaginable that any person would have made this decision, unless they wanted to erase the evidence on their shirts and bodies.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1451042373

In my view not a strange decision, previously living in the very south of europe i must have done the same thing on a regular basis on my way home from work late at night, stop at the side of the road pull my shorts off and take a 3 meter dive into the ocean below..climb up the rocks after the swim only to pull my shorts back on and continue the journey home,

Slight rain did not deter me.

[Moonsterk]

The phone. Why did they have the victims phone.

To be honest mate I've followed this case and couldn't ascertain what phone and who it belonged too kept on getting mentioned..For sure the early phone produced by the RTP wasn't the same as the later one produced..Someone on here will be able to explain but the phone business was certainly not clear..Mind you that same statement would apply to the whole case..

We all fought black and blue the phone was not David's. Until the last day of court the family produced the serial number of the phone from England. It matched. Suddenly Zaw says he and Muang Muang went back to the area to look for their guitar. Zaw himself says he just happened to be walking along the beach at 5 o'clock in the morning and stumbled upon the phone. He then gave it to his friend. Who smashed it and threw it away. At that time I could no longer explain away their actions of the night. It seems like the classic crime. Commit crime, wash off blood, get rid of clothes covered in blood, take belonging of victim , get rid of and conceal belonging, go back to crime upon waking to find belongings left behind. At least one of them was not sleeping at 5 am when we all thought he was. It is Zaw himself that announced to the world that the phone in his possession was David's.

I remember police first stating the phone was Hannah's and that's what everyone started in on as the investigation was flawed, lead by CSI LA. Turned out it was David's phone, someone misspoke or otherwise a mistake was made, but was never used as a defense.

Just a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence that tipped over the " enough evidence to implicate" pile..

[lucky11]

The phone. Why did they have the victims phone.

To be honest mate I've followed this case and couldn't ascertain what phone and who it belonged too kept on getting mentioned..For sure the early phone produced by the RTP wasn't the same as the later one produced..Someone on here will be able to explain but the phone business was certainly not clear..Mind you that same statement would apply to the whole case..

We all fought black and blue the phone was not David's. Until the last day of court the family produced the serial number of the phone from England. It matched. Suddenly Zaw says he and Muang Muang went back to the area to look for their guitar. Zaw himself says he just happened to be walking along the beach at 5 o'clock in the morning and stumbled upon the phone. He then gave it to his friend. Who smashed it and threw it away. At that time I could no longer explain away their actions of the night. It seems like the classic crime. Commit crime, wash off blood, get rid of clothes covered in blood, take belonging of victim , get rid of and conceal belonging, go back to crime upon waking to find belongings left behind. At least one of them was not sleeping at 5 am when we all thought he was. It is Zaw himself that announced to the world that the phone in his possession was David's.

I was pretty convinced from the start that they had the right people in custody and he phone episode simply reinforces my opinion that they did it.

The fact that they tricked themselves into admitting to the rape just seals it for me and the Miller family's satisfaction that justice has been done means that it is a slam dunk!!

Well done the RTP (although they didn't cover themselves in glory) in bringing the right perpetrators to justice. I think that they will have learned a lot from this tragic case and I hope that it prepares them better for future cases of such a serious nature in correcting the errors they committed and in carrying out the forensics in a proper manner with experts brought in to undergo the proper procedures. It almost let these two get away with it - but for the overwhelmingly convincing DNA evidence sealing their fate!!

[JOC]

If the B2 are indeed guilty, how come:

1) They don't try to blame each other, in order to save their own sorry backside?

2) Why attack a girl, who is with a much stronger and bigger partner? (Plenty of single girls around, drunk or drugged out of their minds=Easier victim)

3) Why were they tried as a pair? Only one of them could have executed the blow that killed the victims!

4) Why the meaningless violence used on Hannah? Makes it personal, like a big face Thai kid being publicly rejected, not like a horny and drunk migrant worker!!

This case stinks, I don't care what "evidence" the police and prosecutor presented to the court. The officials(even the defense-team) in this case were presented with an wanted outcome of the trial by the powers. And they adjusted the "evidence" accordingly!!

[AGareth2]

this matter is now between Burma and Thailand

Yes it is! and they have already stated that it will have no affect on relations between the two countries as they can see that justice has been done according to Thai law and they have no issues with them being found guilty and being handed down the death sentence!!

are you saying the protests reflect their happiness?

[Crash999]

There were 3 judge's. They were represented by the best legal minds from both Burma and thailand.they had human rights groups, journalists and millions of baht donated for a fair trial. Still the best defense amnesty international or their lawyers can come up with is they were tortured and did not have a lawyer. The one piece of evidence that they could soundly defend was the confession. The defense ignored everything else. Why? There were too many coincidences that Coul not be explained away. They were not the only ones there. They should come clean now. It's done

Don't forget after making a big deal out how the first DNA test couldn't be correct and how samples were used up when the police said there was enough DNA for a second test the defense refused.

The best they could come up with was the timing of the test seemed funny and the police shouldn't be using a police hospital to do police DNA tests. Huh!!!

[stephenterry]

The reason the brother sounds happy is,he has been led to believe that what is being said and done in law??? here is correct.Yes he has found closure,but im certain if he can read all the findings and comments that have appeared since and after the trial,then I think he would be a different person,Not that i would like him to suffer any more,But It would be nice for him to know the true facts as they have been dealt,and then he no doubt could read between the lines,and find out,just what has already been said,IN THAILAND THERE IS NO JUSTICE FOR FARANGS<REGARDLESS WHAT COLOUR>or what crime.THATS FACT.

No, the facts are that we do not know all the facts ! We do not have the same access to evidence as the brother of David . His statement was very strong, he has been following this murder case from day 1. We should be very careful to judge him, why he is so convinced the B2 did it ?

Was it all a big lie and coverup from the police or did he see something that made him certain they got the right suspects? Or was he just beng ignorant ? All I know is that he is convinced and we should respect that .

Let's suppose that there is some truth in the b2 being involved that would convince the brother, but it's not the complete story and that others are also involved but are being protected. Without reinacting the whole crime scene it seems more probable that a gang of thugs committed the crimes rather than just the b2.

[Crash999]

If the B2 are indeed guilty, how come:

1) They don't try to blame each other, in order to save their own sorry backside?

2) Why attack a girl, who is with a much stronger and bigger partner? (Plenty of single girls around, drunk or drugged out of their minds=Easier victim)

3) Why were they tried as a pair? Only one of them could have executed the blow that killed the victims!

4) Why the meaningless violence used on Hannah? Makes it personal, like a big face Thai kid being publicly rejected, not like a horny and drunk migrant worker!!

This case stinks, I don't care what "evidence" the police and prosecutor presented to the court. The officials(even the defense-team) in this case were presented with an wanted outcome of the trial by the powers. And they adjusted the "evidence" accordingly!!

1) That's not how it works here

2) It was 2 men vs 1 farang and David wasn't a big guy

3) They had both confessed to killing and raping

4) They drowned the guy and smashed the head in of the girl. If your theory is true it seems they'd have smashed the guys face in not the girl

[foxteen]

Time will tell...and the truth will come...the was a speed boat with pack of thais that left the area ...at the time. I don't see those migrants done the murderer ..That's what i feel

[sawadee1947]

You can forget about reasonable doubt. There is no jury. And if there was it would be all Thais and they would still ne found guilty

One thing that is present and undeniable in in Thailand is Thais are Patriots. Absent in most western countries. In the regard they tend to stick together. The chance of any acquittal as miniscule at best...I dont think Thais really know what the letters DNA stand for

It is so easy for us "farangs" to continue in Thai bashing. It's too easy however to compare our expectations in Thai justice with our rules of justice in Farang countries.

The Koh Tao story will leave us unsatisfied. The victim's families are satisfied. There are 2 guys sentenced to death. Are they even victims?

We will never know the whole true story because we are fed by crumbs coming from press, police, lawyers and public.

The sentence is following Thai culture.

Thais living according their laws even we will not accept their law. Don't forget we are tolerated guests here only without voice.

We will have to wait for the decision by Supreme Court and have to accept.

Edited December 26, 2015 by metisdead
Bold font removed.

[Truth4All]

After reading Andy Hall's FB and the information provided by the Burmese regarding the guitar player

and the alleged murdered man wearing the No. 9 shirt and other information provided,

I do believe the B2 will be found innocent or acquitted and the real perpetrators arrested and convicted.

Oh, yes the the PM, Deputy PM, and the current and prior top RTP and others will have to answer as well!!

Andy, my deepest thanks for the work that your team has done under such trying circumstances!

Sure hope you are correct!!!!!

[lucky11]

this matter is now between Burma and Thailand

Yes it is! and they have already stated that it will have no affect on relations between the two countries as they can see that justice has been done according to Thai law and they have no issues with them being found guilty and being handed down the death sentence!!

Diplomatic speak, but they are going to defend the b2 right through the appeals process. Indicates to me that they do not agree with the verdict.

Just as it is diplomatic to support two of their nation's citizens. It say's nothing about whether they agree with the verdict or not as they probably know just as much about the details relating to the case as you and I do.

The important thing here is that they have stated that it won't affect relations between the countries. A tad different to what Putin said to Turkey when the downed one of their fighter planes.

[Artisi]

If the B2 are indeed guilty, how come:

1) They don't try to blame each other, in order to save their own sorry backside?

2) Why attack a girl, who is with a much stronger and bigger partner? (Plenty of single girls around, drunk or drugged out of their minds=Easier victim)

3) Why were they tried as a pair? Only one of them could have executed the blow that killed the victims!

4) Why the meaningless violence used on Hannah? Makes it personal, like a big face Thai kid being publicly rejected, not like a horny and drunk migrant worker!!

This case stinks, I don't care what "evidence" the police and prosecutor presented to the court. The officials(even the defense-team) in this case were presented with an wanted outcome of the trial by the powers. And they adjusted the "evidence" accordingly!!

Yes, but it doesn't count, out bidded by interested party.

[asiamaster]

this matter is now between Burma and Thailand

Yes it is! and they have already stated that it will have no affect on relations between the two countries as they can see that justice has been done according to Thai law and they have no issues with them being found guilty and being handed down the death sentence!!

are you saying the protests reflect their happiness?

Are you saying the Burmese government is protesting?

Myanmar's ambassador to Thailand yesterday said he accepted the death sentences handed down to the convicted killers of two backpackers murdered on Koh Tao last year.

U Win Maung also insisted the fate of the two Myanmar migrant workers will not affect relations between the two countries.

Edited December 26, 2015 by asiamaster

[Sheryl]

A post insulting another poster has been removed.

Please keep it civil.

[Artisi]

The reason the brother sounds happy is,he has been led to believe that what is being said and done in law??? here is correct.Yes he has found closure,but im certain if he can read all the findings and comments that have appeared since and after the trial,then I think he would be a different person,Not that i would like him to suffer any more,But It would be nice for him to know the true facts as they have been dealt,and then he no doubt could read between the lines,and find out,just what has already been said,IN THAILAND THERE IS NO JUSTICE FOR FARANGS<REGARDLESS WHAT COLOUR>or what crime.THATS FACT.

No, the facts are that we do not know all the facts ! We do not have the same access to evidence as the brother of David . His statement was very strong, he has been following this murder case from day 1. We should be very careful to judge him, why he is so convinced the B2 did it ?

Was it all a big lie and coverup from the police or did he see something that made him certain they got the right suspects? Or was he just beng ignorant ? All I know is that he is convinced and we should respect that .

Let's suppose that there is some truth in the b2 being involved that would convince the brother, but it's not the complete story and that others are also involved but are being protected. Without reinacting the whole crime scene it seems more probable that a gang of thugs committed the crimes rather than just the b2.

Agreed, unlikely the 2B could overpower two people fighting for their survival - any injuries reported on the 2B - to my recollection nothing...

[MrTee]

The phone. Why did they have the victims phone.

To be honest mate I've followed this case and couldn't ascertain what phone and who it belonged too kept on getting mentioned..For sure the early phone produced by the RTP wasn't the same as the later one produced..Someone on here will be able to explain but the phone business was certainly not clear..Mind you that same statement would apply to the whole case..

We all fought black and blue the phone was not David's. Until the last day of court the family produced the serial number of the phone from England. It matched. Suddenly Zaw says he and Muang Muang went back to the area to look for their guitar. Zaw himself says he just happened to be walking along the beach at 5 o'clock in the morning and stumbled upon the phone. He then gave it to his friend. Who smashed it and threw it away. At that time I could no longer explain away their actions of the night. It seems like the classic crime. Commit crime, wash off blood, get rid of clothes covered in blood, take belonging of victim , get rid of and conceal belonging, go back to crime upon waking to find belongings left behind. At least one of them was not sleeping at 5 am when we all thought he was. It is Zaw himself that announced to the world that the phone in his possession was David's.

I remember police first stating the phone was Hannah's and that's what everyone started in on as the investigation was flawed, lead by CSI LA. Turned out it was David's phone, someone misspoke or otherwise a mistake was made, but was never used as a defense.

Just a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence that tipped over the " enough evidence to implicate" pile..

As I recall there were 2 phones.

One phone was Hannah's and after some misleading police statements it turned out that Hannah did not have her phone in her possession when she was attacked. Her friend handed it over to police shortly after.

Another phone was identified in the first few days after the 15th September, with blonde hairs. found at the crime scene. And the police said it was this phone they were originally talking about, but this was in police possession BEFORE the Burmese men were arrested.

After the confusion about Hannah's phone (with finger prints etc) the 2 Burmese men were arrested, the second phone was found (again) near were the Burmese men lived.

Where is Zaw's statement that he found this phone? Did he ever actually say that?

Is that not just yet another "confusing" statement from the police?

[joebrown]

Koh Tao Murders: Court Says DNA Trumps Other Flaws in Case

Sue Miller holds photograph of her son, David Miller, during a Dec. 24 news conference at Samui courthouse.

By Teeranai Charuvastra

Staff Reporter

SAMUI – Although it accepts that the case against the two Myanmar men - found guilty of killing two British tourists in southern Thailand last year - was not without flaws, the court said yesterday that DNA samples collected from the crime scene are so incontrovertible, that they justify a conviction.

The flaws include lack of chain of custody in evidence, arrest and interrogation of the two suspects without charge or legal representation and a lack of any witness who saw the two defendants committing the crimes.

Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, both 22, were found guilty Thursday of killing British backpackers David Miller and Hannah Witheridge on Koh Tao on Sept. 15, 2014. The two men were also convicted of raping Witheridge before killing her. Both victims died in the early hours of Sept. 15.

For their alleged crimes, the court on Samui island yesterday morning sentenced both defendants to death – the highest penalty for premeditated murder.

Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, who worked as bar workers on Koh Tao, were arrested on Oct. 1 2014 and brought to a police “safehouse” on Koh Tao for interrogation. They were not formally charged until Oct. 3 2014.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1451042373

-- Khaosod English 2015-12-26

With due respect to the utterings of the Samui Court, the headline should surely have been worded ' Flaws in The DNA Trump All Other Flaws In The Case'.

[lucky11]

As much I love living in Thailand (and I truly do), things like this are the reason why it will continue to be considered a third world country. I don't claim to know all the facts, but the one fact I do know is that given the considerate amount of flaws in the investigative process the case should have been thrown out whether they are guilty or not.

"The case should have been thrown out whether they are guilty or not"

Are you sure you mean that? - so, two murderers should be released because of technicalities!! Is that real justice? Thank god the judges were sensible enough to ignore all that baloney about the lies of torture and saw through the defences evidence as being too weak and unsubstantial with the prosecutions DNA evidence carrying the day. I applaud the judges for their work in coming to the correct verdict!!

[sawadee1947]

Amnesty International today issued a statement calling for an independent inquiry

and??? Do you think you can force Thai jurisdiction to follow any demands? Especially when it comes from Non-Thai countries?

[smedly]

The phone. Why did they have the victims phone.

To be honest mate I've followed this case and couldn't ascertain what phone and who it belonged too kept on getting mentioned..For sure the early phone produced by the RTP wasn't the same as the later one produced..Someone on here will be able to explain but the phone business was certainly not clear..Mind you that same statement would apply to the whole case..

We all fought black and blue the phone was not David's. Until the last day of court the family produced the serial number of the phone from England. It matched. Suddenly Zaw says he and Muang Muang went back to the area to look for their guitar. Zaw himself says he just happened to be walking along the beach at 5 o'clock in the morning and stumbled upon the phone. He then gave it to his friend. Who smashed it and threw it away. At that time I could no longer explain away their actions of the night. It seems like the classic crime. Commit crime, wash off blood, get rid of clothes covered in blood, take belonging of victim , get rid of and conceal belonging, go back to crime upon waking to find belongings left behind. At least one of them was not sleeping at 5 am when we all thought he was. It is Zaw himself that announced to the world that the phone in his possession was David's.

I remember police first stating the phone was Hannah's and that's what everyone started in on as the investigation was flawed, lead by CSI LA. Turned out it was David's phone, someone misspoke or otherwise a mistake was made, but was never used as a defense.

Just a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence that tipped over the " enough evidence to implicate" pile..

does nobody here read and follow what went on as reported by the police.

The phone the police put on display early on (before any arrests) and thought was Hannah's phone was found at the crime scene, what happened to that one ? who owned it ? and why was it completely forgotten about ? or was it ? only the police can answer that

As for the declaration in court, if my memory serves me correctly the B2 had already mentioned the phone found at the residence before the prosecution submitted a claim that it was David's phone confirmed by "an" EMEI number they provided to the family, which phone did the EMEI number come from ? we have again only their word for that and a huge black hole as to who owned the phone from the crime scene, and I'm sure these phones were properly recorded bagged and tagged like all the other evidence ......right ?

[StealthEnergiser]

The phone. Why did they have the victims phone.

To be honest mate I've followed this case and couldn't ascertain what phone and who it belonged too kept on getting mentioned..For sure the early phone produced by the RTP wasn't the same as the later one produced..Someone on here will be able to explain but the phone business was certainly not clear..Mind you that same statement would apply to the whole case..

We all fought black and blue the phone was not David's. Until the last day of court the family produced the serial number of the phone from England. It matched. Suddenly Zaw says he and Muang Muang went back to the area to look for their guitar. Zaw himself says he just happened to be walking along the beach at 5 o'clock in the morning and stumbled upon the phone. He then gave it to his friend. Who smashed it and threw it away. At that time I could no longer explain away their actions of the night. It seems like the classic crime. Commit crime, wash off blood, get rid of clothes covered in blood, take belonging of victim , get rid of and conceal belonging, go back to crime upon waking to find belongings left behind. At least one of them was not sleeping at 5 am when we all thought he was. It is Zaw himself that announced to the world that the phone in his possession was David's.

I was pretty convinced from the start that they had the right people in custody and he phone episode simply reinforces my opinion that they did it.

The fact that they tricked themselves into admitting to the rape just seals it for me and the Miller family's satisfaction that justice has been done means that it is a slam dunk!!

Well done the RTP (although they didn't cover themselves in glory) in bringing the right perpetrators to justice. I think that they will have learned a lot from this tragic case and I hope that it prepares them better for future cases of such a serious nature in correcting the errors they committed and in carrying out the forensics in a proper manner with experts brought in to undergo the proper procedures. It almost let these two get away with it - but for the overwhelmingly convincing DNA evidence sealing their fate!!

Not sure how you can call DNA evidence Overwhelming or why and international DNA expert has shown her disappointment

"A one-page table with alterations is not a suitable document to provide to a court. A report should not have alterations, especially handwritten ones, with no explanation as to why they were altered."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35170419

[JLCrab]

From the Judge's verdict report via KhaoSod

The two defendants said they suddenly had the idea of going swimming in the sea on their way back to the residence. It was in the dead of the night, and it was raining slightly. It is unimaginable that any person would have made this decision, unless they wanted to erase the evidence on their shirts and bodies.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1451042373

In my view not a strange decision, previously living in the very south of europe i must have done the same thing on a regular basis on my way home from work late at night, stop at the side of the road pull my shorts off and take a 3 meter dive into the ocean below..climb up the rocks after the swim only to pull my shorts back on and continue the journey home,

Slight rain did not deter me.

Does this describe you on a regular basis as well? --

"The pair said that on the night of the murder they had been drinking heavily and playing guitar on the beach, and by late evening were “so drunk we couldn’t walk properly”. They both said they had no idea who carried out the crime."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/20/burmese-murder-accused-british-backpackers-thailand

[DiscoDan]

If the B2 are indeed guilty, how come:

1) They don't try to blame each other, in order to save their own sorry backside?

2) Why attack a girl, who is with a much stronger and bigger partner? (Plenty of single girls around, drunk or drugged out of their minds=Easier victim)

3) Why were they tried as a pair? Only one of them could have executed the blow that killed the victims!

4) Why the meaningless violence used on Hannah? Makes it personal, like a big face Thai kid being publicly rejected, not like a horny and drunk migrant worker!!

This case stinks, I don't care what "evidence" the police and prosecutor presented to the court. The officials(even the defense-team) in this case were presented with an wanted outcome of the trial by the powers. And they adjusted the "evidence" accordingly!!

1) they admitted to the crime and later retracted the confession but still admitted they were on the beach together that night, so how could they try to blame each other without being part of the crime

2)Go find the biggest and strongest man on this planet and wrap a hoe around his head while his back is turned and there is a good chance you will knock him out.

3)doesn't matter who inflicted the final blow they committed the crime together, in some states in the US if you are in a group committing a crime and one of the members shoot someone you are all charged with murder.

4)No this is not a crime scene from a loss of face its a necrophiliac better known as serial killers (google Bulger killers ) this is also ties in with Hannahs body being left in a pose the nearest serial killer that has a lot of the same hallmarks is Ted Bundy.

last point pretty much sums up most of the posters on here who had made there mind up before the trial even started.

" I don't care what "evidence" the police and prosecutor presented to the court."

[DiscoDan]

From the Judge's verdict report via KhaoSod

The two defendants said they suddenly had the idea of going swimming in the sea on their way back to the residence. It was in the dead of the night, and it was raining slightly. It is unimaginable that any person would have made this decision, unless they wanted to erase the evidence on their shirts and bodies.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1451042373

In my view not a strange decision, previously living in the very south of europe i must have done the same thing on a regular basis on my way home from work late at night, stop at the side of the road pull my shorts off and take a 3 meter dive into the ocean below..climb up the rocks after the swim only to pull my shorts back on and continue the journey home,

Slight rain did not deter me.

Does this describe you on a regular basis as well? --

"The pair said that on the night of the murder they had been drinking heavily and playing guitar on the beach, and by late evening were “so drunk we couldn’t walk properly”. They both said they had no idea who carried out the crime."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/20/burmese-murder-accused-british-backpackers-thailand

Yeah so drunk they could hardly walk but managed to sober up in two hours and go back to the beach

[rickagain]

if DNA is the vital evidence why is it not forthcoming from the British experts who came here to recheck the DNA. We have not nor has anyone

publically heard their findings. But an anonymos source supposedly leaked that the Dna was damaged and could not be considered as

conclusive evidence. IF this is true then I'm of the opinion that this was a face saving trial.

[DiscoDan]

The reason the brother sounds happy is,he has been led to believe that what is being said and done in law??? here is correct.Yes he has found closure,but im certain if he can read all the findings and comments that have appeared since and after the trial,then I think he would be a different person,Not that i would like him to suffer any more,But It would be nice for him to know the true facts as they have been dealt,and then he no doubt could read between the lines,and find out,just what has already been said,IN THAILAND THERE IS NO JUSTICE FOR FARANGS<REGARDLESS WHAT COLOUR>or what crime.THATS FACT.

No, the facts are that we do not know all the facts ! We do not have the same access to evidence as the brother of David . His statement was very strong, he has been following this murder case from day 1. We should be very careful to judge him, why he is so convinced the B2 did it ?

Was it all a big lie and coverup from the police or did he see something that made him certain they got the right suspects? Or was he just beng ignorant ? All I know is that he is convinced and we should respect that .

Let's suppose that there is some truth in the b2 being involved that would convince the brother, but it's not the complete story and that others are also involved but are being protected. Without reinacting the whole crime scene it seems more probable that a gang of thugs committed the crimes rather than just the b2.

Agreed, unlikely the 2B could overpower two people fighting for their survival - any injuries reported on the 2B - to my recollection nothing...

Apart from the bruising on Zaw Lins chest and injuries to his wrist