Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers

[greenchair]

Well I thought the original hoe was not presented at court and a similar substitute was presented by the police. So which hoe did pornthip test? ??

[metisdead]

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[lucky11]

She was that useful to the defence team that as soon as she had finished her work and came to her useless conclusions - they threw her out of the door never to be heard of again. More of a time consuming hindrance than a benefit to them, it seems!!

Your confrontational attitude beggars belief! I am very surprised that you haven't been given a "holiday" yet for baiting and trolling!!

OK, if she was that useful to the defence - then tell me how! Come on, what did she do or say to benefit them?

Provide me with something of substance and I will withdraw my criticism.

Without doubt Dr Taupin is an international authority on forensic science.

We are told she came to Thailand at her own expense and gave her time pro bono.

She was the defense's adviser in that subject.

Had she been called as a witness it would done credit to Monty Python.

The Judge: "Why are you here Dr Taupin?"

" Not sure your honour"

"Why is that?"

" Because I did intend to talk to the court about DNA, but I am not going to now"

" Why?"

" Because your honour there is no DNA, there was, but that was a long time ago. What used to be DNA associated with this case has since been lost, used up,gone mouldy, put in the wrong jar,mislabelled, misplaced, put in the wrong fridge, the headman doesn't know who stole it, gone walkabout, ....... John Cleese would have a field day!!

My post stands!!

[glenmohr]

I think it is time we all ignored Lucky11 and shortened this thread. Clearly no amount of reason is going to change his view.

Add AleG to that list.

Interestingly no other site covering this story has any supporters for the guilty decision. Why are they ( the small and vocal pro guilty gang) all concentrating here and nowhere else?

[fab99]

OK, if she was that useful to the defence - then tell me how! Come on, what did she do or say to benefit them?

Provide me with something of substance and I will withdraw my criticism.

Without doubt Dr Taupin is an international authority on forensic science.

We are told she came to Thailand at her own expense and gave her time pro bono.

She was the defense's adviser in that subject.

Had she been called as a witness it would done credit to Monty Python.

The Judge: "Why are you here Dr Taupin?"

" Not sure your honour"

"Why is that?"

" Because I did intend to talk to the court about DNA, but I am not going to now"

" Why?"

" Because your honour there is no DNA, there was, but that was a long time ago. What used to be DNA associated with this case has since been lost, used up,gone mouldy, put in the wrong jar,mislabelled, misplaced, put in the wrong fridge, the headman doesn't know who stole it, gone walkabout, ....... John Cleese would have a field day!!

My post stands!!

That's your opinion, but not the one of the majority...

The prosecution lacked transparency on the DNA documents from the very begining.

The defense has asked for them repeteadly, with no effect, what has been presented was very far from being reliable despite what you keep saying (to whom could still be listening...).

The chain of custody not detailed, the handwritten alteration, the errors on the dates, the unusual (and very suspicious) speed at which the results were obtained (I would bet everything I own that Dr Taupin knows a lot more about this than you do, and she raised serious doubt)... The DNA is simply not enough, and they were declared guilty simply on this, guilty of murder when their DNA is not on the murder weapon or anywhere else (the victims clothes haven't been test or been lost, so I guess their DNA wasn't on them...).

But I know, real experts can be frightening, they might help see through the fog of lies and unprofessionalism...

[greenchair]

This is what they want us to believe.

They were sitting playing guitar and drinking. As they started to walk home, they suddenly decided to take a swim at 1 o'clock in the morning, since it was raining a bit. As they were swimming someone came along and stole their clothes, but not their shoes and guitar. They then walked home but left their shoes and guitar behind. The next thing they remember is Muang woke them up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Muang and Wei Phyo decided to go back to get the shoes and the guitar. At some point Wei and Muang Muang separated. As Wei Phyo was walking along the beach back home he noticed a telephone on the beach,that belonged to a recently murdered man. He picked it up and gave it to his friend, because he was afraid it was from the crime that he just heard about.

His friend tried to destroy it and threw it away. The friend reported it (which just as well or he would have been a suspect also ).Muang Muang was conveniently asleep at his girlfriends, and the b2 were sooooo drunk they can't remember what happened in between all of this excitement.

Think about this for a minute.

I assume, you are a lifelong anti-alcoholic?!

Well that is nonsensical post. Please stay on topic. We are talking about how the b2 are having such a hard time explaining the events of that night.

[CP3]

DNA found in the girl's body was semen?

[asiamaster]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/882014-myanmar-military-chief-weighs-in-on-koh-tao-murder-case/

If they are guilty then why has Myanmars military chief taken this unprecedented step? Would he have done it if he thought they were guilty?

The web of lies and deceit is unravelling

They have finally found a scapegoat. Put the blame for the unrest in Rakhine state on another country...

[metisdead]

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[greenchair]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

I too have changed from the not guilty camp. When I found out they had David's phone and destroyed it and hid, that was it. There just is no explaining that. Sorry to aleg

[lucky11]

I think it is time we all ignored Lucky11 and shortened this thread. Clearly no amount of reason is going to change his view.

Add AleG to that list.

Interestingly no other site covering this story has any supporters for the guilty decision. Why are they ( the small and vocal pro guilty gang) all concentrating here and nowhere else?

Because this is the only forum I am on - allied to the fact that it is so easy for us, the 7% minority, picking you off one by one and destroying your posts. This has been most noticeable of late, greatly aided by that bombshell post of AleG's and surprising enough, the classic own goal of stealthenergiser in what they reveal about the DNA evidence!!

[glenmohr]

Famous quotations from history:

" Which SOB put all that damn stuff in my fridge"..............The Headman at Koh Tao

[Mosha]

I get the underlying feeling that Michael Miller and the rest of the family of the late David Miller would have been satisfied if Winnie the Pooh had been found guilty; just so long as someone was. He observes that the two convicted men had shown no remorse for what they had done. Very difficult to show remorse for something one has not done.

How would you feel if your brother had been brutally murdered? Sympathy should be with the victims, not the convicted.

If you don't like how the Thai system works, then don't bother coming here, it ain't going to change!

Like seeing the police kow tow to the Kamnams and Puy Yais. I see that a lot.

[siamcrut]

DNA found in the girl's body was semen?

...it wasn't namchai, that's for sure.

[B166ER]

....its a good thing they've (Bugaboo's) not found the secret back door discussion groups about this topic....just doing fine without them....

[HUH]

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Thanks for posting that Steath, a very balanced view and theory given there by Ian. I see the Glee club are all over it cherry picking, I've never seen such immature responses, I have a list of very funny websites for 10 year olds should they wish to PM me and have some further amusement.

Taking into account all that Ian stated in his opinions, its also clear he believes that the court should never have accepted the inadequate DNA evidence in the first place.

Edited December 29, 2015 by HUH

[AleG]

....its a good thing they've (Bugaboo's) not found the secret back door discussion groups about this topic....just doing fine without them....

Would that be the secret back door discussion group that was created to complain about the supposed lack of transparency surrounding this case?

In any case, being in an echo chamber is nothing to brag about.

[IslandLover]

greenchair, on 29 Dec 2015 - 13:07, said:

Well I thought the original hoe was not presented at court and a similar substitute was presented by the police. So which hoe did pornthip test? ??

The original hoe - the one with the chipped blade seen in the crime scene photos. This has been confirmed by someone on the defence team.

[Bung]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/882014-myanmar-military-chief-weighs-in-on-koh-tao-murder-case/

If they are guilty then why has Myanmars military chief taken this unprecedented step? Would he have done it if he thought they were guilty?

The web of lies and deceit is unravelling

They have finally found a scapegoat. Put the blame for the unrest in Rakhine state on another country...

Ok, that makes absolutely no sense. He's talking diplomatically but the message is clear. He is saying they are innocent. Why would he make a statement like that if he thinks they are guilty? He wouldn't. You guys can squabble all you like here. Maybe you should have a look at what is going on in the real world.

[B166ER]

....I've finally attached my lower jaw....from disbelief. This is worse than "the glove doesn't fit" routine O.J did. Leather shrinks when wet indeed. Okay, I get it. My ball we play by my rules here. If you, the one's in charge say that we found actual evidence of the perps DNA can they say who's it is? One or both of them? They found both? They found one...who's? Okay....no probs....let's see it. What? You don't have it? Okay....errrr....how are we going to verify your findings. Oh....take your word for it cause that's all you have. Nothing. How about you give us the swabs? Oh the lab rats ate them? Well what about the clothes Hannah was wearing? They've disappeared? You mean like a sock in a dryer disappeared or accidently mixed in with the laundry for the station disappeared? The Hoe is NOT the same one that actually used because the rightful owner did not want it to be used in court because its HIS property? (hypothesis)

The B2 actually have written quite a few times statements of their innocence and how sorry they felt for the victims. The info is out there....look for it. The "other" camp however has said "NIL" about it. They don't want to be associated with this crime in any way and that includes apologies. This is a well practiced (World Wide) Police force tactic as well....I know firsthand....

[smedly]

She was that useful to the defence team that as soon as she had finished her work and came to her useless conclusions - they threw her out of the door never to be heard of again. More of a time consuming hindrance than a benefit to them, it seems!!

Your confrontational attitude beggars belief! I am very surprised that you haven't been given a "holiday" yet for baiting and trolling!!

OK, if she was that useful to the defence - then tell me how! Come on, what did she do or say to benefit them?

Provide me with something of substance and I will withdraw my criticism.

Without doubt Dr Taupin is an international authority on forensic science.

We are told she came to Thailand at her own expense and gave her time pro bono.

She was the defense's adviser in that subject.

Had she been called as a witness it would done credit to Monty Python.

The Judge: "Why are you here Dr Taupin?"

" Not sure your honour"

"Why is that?"

" Because I did intend to talk to the court about DNA, but I am not going to now"

" Why?"

" Because your honour there is no DNA, there was, but that was a long time ago. What used to be DNA associated with this case has since been lost, used up,gone mouldy, put in the wrong jar,mislabelled, misplaced, put in the wrong fridge, the headman doesn't know who stole it, gone walkabout, ....... John Cleese would have a field day!!

as funny as that post is, it is perfectly accurate and 100% correct

[B166ER]

....ha ha ha.....I knew if I baited my hook....you'd bite sooner or later....picking you off the list!....

[greenchair]

Why do everyone continue to ignore the fact that they had David's phone.

[smedly]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

I too have changed from the not guilty camp. When I found out they had David's phone and destroyed it and hid, that was it. There just is no explaining that. Sorry to aleg

how do you know it was Davids phone, again I find myself repeating what has been already discussed on this and other forums

There were 2 phones - one from the crime scene and displayed on TV footage long before any arrests were made - how do you know the IMEI number the police had checked was not from that phone - take their word for it ......right ? and what happened to that phone, surely it should have been investigated as to who owned it - yet another unexplained mystery connected with these murders

Might I also add, a beach at night is very dark unless there is a moon, I just wonder how close you would have needed to be to find the two bodies that seem to have been concealed behind some rocks, if no moon then you could in fact be feet away and not notice them, and I am not kidding.

I have been on many beaches at night and it is very dark, I once actually fell over courting couple in Greece who were lying right in the middle of the beach area, I didn't see them and fell right on top of them, the resort close to the crime scene likely had lights but the rocks would very likely have blocked those out , I contest that unless you were standing right on top of them, nobody would have seen these bodies until daybreak

[Zeberdee]

The only murder weapon produced = a hoe.

Is dna from the b2 on it = no.

Why is that?

[asiamaster]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/882014-myanmar-military-chief-weighs-in-on-koh-tao-murder-case/

If they are guilty then why has Myanmars military chief taken this unprecedented step? Would he have done it if he thought they were guilty?

The web of lies and deceit is unravelling

They have finally found a scapegoat. Put the blame for the unrest in Rakhine state on another country...

Ok, that makes absolutely no sense. He's talking diplomatically but the message is clear. He is saying they are innocent. Why would he make a statement like that if he thinks they are guilty? He wouldn't. You guys can squabble all you like here. Maybe you should have a look at what is going on in the real world.

How does he know that they are innocent? He is just reacting because he is not happy with the protests and fears an uprising. Maybe you should have a look what is really going on in Burma. Yes "freedom and democracy" in Yangoon , Mandalay and a few other cities. Any idea what is going on in the outer provinces such as Shan, Kachin, Kahin, Rakhine -the places whre these migrant workers are coming from?

[siamcrut]

This thread is getting lame...

[lucky11]

This thread is getting lame...

It's normal to feel deflated after a victory!! I have lost the impetus to post now.

[greenchair]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

I too have changed from the not guilty camp. When I found out they had David's phone and destroyed it and hid, that was it. There just is no explaining that. Sorry to aleg

how do you know it was Davids phone, again I find myself repeating what has been already discussed on this and other forums

There were 2 phones - one from the crime scene and displayed on TV footage long before any arrests were made - how do you know the IMEI number the police had checked was not from that phone - take their word for it ......right ? and what happened to that phone, surely it should have been investigated as to who owned it - yet another unexplained mystery connected with these murders

Might I also add, a beach at night is very dark unless there is a moon, I just wonder how close you would have needed to be to find the two bodies that seem to have been concealed behind some rocks, if no moon then you could in fact be feet away and not notice them, and I am not kidding.

I have been on many beaches at night and it is very dark, I once actually fell over courting couple in Greece who were lying right in the middle of the beach area, I didn't see them and fell right on top of them, the resort close to the crime scene likely had lights but the rocks would very likely have blocked those out , I contest that unless you were standing right on top of them, nobody would have seen these bodies until daybreak

I originally believed the phone was planted by the police. Then it was revealed that indeed the b2 gave the phone to a friend that put it there,it never seemed to that it could be David's. But it is Wei Phyo own statement that he was back down at the beach at 5 o'clock in the morning and amazingly found a phone that changed my mind. What another coincidence? Not only were their clothes stolen while they swimming, but some strange person also left their phone on the beach, that Wei Phyo found. And that person has obviously not come forward to claim the phone, because they are afraid of the village headman. Lol, pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.

[asiamaster]

The only murder weapon produced = a hoe.

Is dna from the b2 on it = no.

Why is that?

Touch DNA is very tricky. Not every item that is touched will leave enough skin cells for proper analysis. Also the chance of recovering DNA from an outdoor crime scene decreases significantly over time with two weeks showing a significant drop in allele markers detected for most of the samples. They only managed to retrieve a partial sample (25%) -there was a match but not sufficient to be accepted.