California to seize guns without notice from January 1st 2016

[teatree]

The topic is about California taking guns from perceived threatening people. Most states already do that. As far as taking them from everyone:

The US military comprises fewer than 2 million people. By contrast there are more than 100 million Americans who own 300 million guns and God knows how much ammunition. Gun and ammunition sales are still hitting records with gun manufacturers' profits setting records all because of Obama's talk about guns.

Obama is the best gun salesman the US has ever had.

Taking guns wouldn't be nuking the country or even carpet bombing. It wouldn't be knocking down cities with tanks. It would be a door to door exercise that wouldn't succeed. You can do that with one nut such as hinted in the OP, but not with an entire town without making all of it collateral damage.

First you have to convince the individual members of the military that they must be willing to engage in this activity. Most of them would refuse because they believe in 2A. Many would join the civilians.

Next you have to find idiots from the remaining group who are stupid enough to go into neighborhoods with the purpose of confiscating guns. Most American gun owners would know that this is the time to act - the time that the founders planned for.

Police officers would likely stay home and defend their personal guns and rights, too. Many if not most would join the civilians.

Not gunna happen.

Cheers.

All from someone who 'liked' a post with the comment 'Obama is building a private army with the so called "refugees". I mean seriously, why are you and so many of your countrymen so unbelievably paranoid and apparently consumed with hate.

As I would expect, you can't see what's happening in Europe, nor can you project the inevitable consequences. The people have had their power taken by an unelected EU government, the countries have given up their sovereignty, and potentially dangerous people have been let in, in astounding numbers.

That's OK, you don't need to understand why I think citizens should be able to defend themselves. I don't think we'll accomplish anything by arguing. Let's just wait and see what happens.

Cheers.

So far as I'm aware not one EU country has 'given up it's sovereignty'

The executive arm of the EU (the commission) is not elected by the people, not accountable to the people and cannot be voted out by the people. EU directives and laws overide any national laws.

This amounts to a serious lack of national sovereignty and democracy.

[HLover]

Sad :-(

Edited January 4, 2016 by HLover

[simple1]

The executive arm of the EU (the commission) is not elected by the people, not accountable to the people and cannot be voted out by the people. EU directives and laws overide any national laws.

This amounts to a serious lack of national sovereignty and democracy.

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My post was in reply to NS's incorrect assertion. The fact is EU member countries retain sovereignty over border control regarding asylum seekers / refugee policy. Of course negotiated Treaties / Agreements are agreed, an example being the Dublin Agreement that has collapsed due to non compliance by member countries.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

The topic is about California taking guns from perceived threatening people. Most states already do that. As far as taking them from everyone:

The US military comprises fewer than 2 million people. By contrast there are more than 100 million Americans who own 300 million guns and God knows how much ammunition. Gun and ammunition sales are still hitting records with gun manufacturers' profits setting records all because of Obama's talk about guns.

Obama is the best gun salesman the US has ever had.

Taking guns wouldn't be nuking the country or even carpet bombing. It wouldn't be knocking down cities with tanks. It would be a door to door exercise that wouldn't succeed. You can do that with one nut such as hinted in the OP, but not with an entire town without making all of it collateral damage.

First you have to convince the individual members of the military that they must be willing to engage in this activity. Most of them would refuse because they believe in 2A. Many would join the civilians.

Next you have to find idiots from the remaining group who are stupid enough to go into neighborhoods with the purpose of confiscating guns. Most American gun owners would know that this is the time to act - the time that the founders planned for.

Police officers would likely stay home and defend their personal guns and rights, too. Many if not most would join the civilians.

Not gunna happen.

Cheers.

All from someone who 'liked' a post with the comment 'Obama is building a private army with the so called "refugees". I mean seriously, why are you and so many of your countrymen so unbelievably paranoid and apparently consumed with hate.

As I would expect, you can't see what's happening in Europe, nor can you project the inevitable consequences. The people have had their power taken by an unelected EU government, the countries have given up their sovereignty, and potentially dangerous people have been let in, in astounding numbers.

That's OK, you don't need to understand why I think citizens should be able to defend themselves. I don't think we'll accomplish anything by arguing. Let's just wait and see what happens.

Cheers.

You re right, we can't predict the future.

However if you really want to compare Europe and US gun deaths, road rage killed with guns, family dramas which ended in shooting, well anything related to gun....US has the pole position for a while now...who needs Terrorists when they already have so much citizens shooting at each others