Koh Tao debacle: Shoddy work from beginning to end

boomerangutang · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted police’s original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridge’s blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.

The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

Right on! my vote for best post of the day.

AleG's verifications, using RTP drivel, is like relying on Moscow's sports doctors to verify whether Russian athletes are using performance-enhancing drugs.

KunMatt · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted police’s original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridge’s blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.
The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

Right on! my vote for best post of the day.

AleG's verifications, using RTP drivel, is like relying on Moscow's sports doctors to verify whether Russian athletes are using performance-enhancing drugs.

He talks as if he is talking to people who don't live in Thailand or know how corrupt this country is. He would only be able to get away with his version of events if he was talking to someone who was uninitiated with Thailand and Thai people.

Really his whole argument is that Thailand has an honest and uncorrupted police and court system. We all know that is a blatently lie, therefore we all know that his argument is a total lie too.

boomerangutang · January 21, 2016

He (AleG) talks as if he is talking to people who don't live in Thailand or know how corrupt this country is. He would only be able to get away with his version of events if he was talking to someone who was uninitiated with Thailand and Thai people.

Really his whole argument is that Thailand has an honest and uncorrupted police and court system. We all know that is a blatently lie, therefore we all know that his argument is a total lie too.

....as if he's talking to people like, ummmm, let's say like the Miller family?

iReason · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted police’s original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridge’s blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.

The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

The achilles heel of the Troll here is;

They don’t question authority.

They are either lock-step with the autocrats, or self-serving.

Sadly, it appears to be the latter…

Or,even worse, both self-serving and subservient.

And your answer is spot on.

All the reasons I don't bother with them.

It's just noise...

AleG · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted police’s original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridge’s blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.

The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

How desperate of you to project your behaviour on other people; I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories, you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy; all you do when presented with documented facts is to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lies lies, all lies!".

KunMatt · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted police’s original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridge’s blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.
The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

How desperate of you to project your behaviour on other people; I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories, you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy; all you do when presented with documented facts is to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lies lies, all lies!".

Well no, the conspiracy is obviously the cover up and lies by the RTP which you are pushing as a fact.

AleG · January 21, 2016

Just as I said: "you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy"

The achilles heel of the Troll here is;

They don’t question authority.

They are either lock-step with the autocrats, or self-serving.

Sadly, it appears to be the latter…

Or,even worse, both self-serving and subservient.

And your answer is spot on.

All the reasons I don't bother with them.

It's just noise...

AleG · January 21, 2016

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.
The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

How desperate of you to project your behaviour on other people; I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories, you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy; all you do when presented with documented facts is to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lies lies, all lies!".

Well no, the conspiracy is obviously the cover up and lies by the RTP which you are pushing as a fact.

Again, more projection, you are the ones pushing your conspiracy theory as a fact... without actually having any fact to support it.

You can't handle the implications of recognizing that you were wrong, so you'll stick with the self-delusion.

iReason · January 21, 2016

There are documented, world standard facts in post #362. Page 15.

Real ones.

KunMatt · January 21, 2016

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.

The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

How desperate of you to project your behaviour on other people; I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories, you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy; all you do when presented with documented facts is to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lies lies, all lies!".

Well no, the conspiracy is obviously the cover up and lies by the RTP which you are pushing as a fact.

Again, more projection, you are the ones pushing your conspiracy theory as a fact... without actually having any fact to support it.

You can't handle the implications of recognizing that you were wrong, so you'll stick with the self-delusion.

Again no, you are deliberately reversing it. The conspiracy is the cover up that led to the B2 getting the death sentence on their own and letting some rich well connected locals remain free. Your only proof of the conspiracy comes from the people who are running the conspiracy, so you have no credible proof of what really happened.

You know this, we all know this, just like everyone of us who has lived in Thailand knows how corruptable the systems is especially if you are wealthy and connected. So carry on with your bare faced lying, we are all very aware of it and the only reason most of us still engages you is so that members new to the topic realise why you (and your many usernames) are here.

iReason · January 21, 2016

“Police handling the Koh Tao murders case have again stood up the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), which has repeatedly invited investigators to its headquarters to clear up allegations they tortured two Myanmar suspects to confess.”

“The NHRC would begin debating whether it should file a complaint against forensic police, Police Region 8 and the Metropolitan Police Bureau after the three departments failed to show up for the fourth time.”

http://www.nhrc.or.th/2012/wb/en/news_detail.php?nid=3376&parent_id=1&type=new

Khun Han · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted police’s original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridge’s blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

And you keep posting excerpts from a court report that is discredited. You can keep on posting those excerpts as though it's some sort of bible, but you are only preaching to your choir..

*edited to add* You beat me to it Matt. I just read down to your post.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Khun Han

happy Joe · January 21, 2016

Just as I said: "you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy"

Aleg I do not understand your insistence to convince these people. The minutes of the judgment are clear and leaves no room for doubt:

Two Burmese are guilty of these sordid murders. They are abominable criminals who disregard the lives of others to satisfy their sexueles impulses. Animals.

But your opponents have a strong argument: For them all stakeholders in this case are part of a large plot at the service of the Mafia Thai. Police, justice, all the Thai authorities, Scotland Yard and even now the worthy family of Jersey.

When they are short of arguments they insult.

So why argue?

KunMatt · January 21, 2016

Just as I said: "you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy"

Aleg I do not understand your insistence to convince these people. The minutes of the judgment are clear and leaves no room for doubt:

Two Burmese are guilty of these sordid murders. They are abominable criminals who disregard the lives of others to satisfy their sexueles impulses. Animals.

But your opponents have a strong argument: For them all stakeholders in this case are part of a large plot at the service of the Mafia Thai. Police, justice, all the Thai authorities, Scotland Yard and even now the worthy family of Jersey.

When they are short of arguments they insult.

So why argue?

From out of nowhere, the return of a past troll.

jayjay78 · January 21, 2016

4000 pages of court records. So one can be a little suspicious that certain recorded exchanges that should have been in the summary were left out???

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/18595-defence-gets-extension-to-appeal-koh-tao-death-penalties.html

Defence gets extension to appeal Koh Tao death penalties. According to the Migrant Worker Rights Network, which has been assisting the defence, the team has pored over nearly 4000 pages of court records, and has assembled an extensive list of appeal points. The extra time will be used to coordinate with Ms Taupin about the DNA evidence, U Sein Htay, chair of the MWRN, said

Khun Han · January 21, 2016

Just as I said: "you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy"

Aleg I do not understand your insistence to convince these people. The minutes of the judgment are clear and leaves no room for doubt:

Two Burmese are guilty of these sordid murders. They are abominable criminals who disregard the lives of others to satisfy their sexueles impulses. Animals.

But your opponents have a strong argument: For them all stakeholders in this case are part of a large plot at the service of the Mafia Thai. Police, justice, all the Thai authorities, Scotland Yard and even now the worthy family of Jersey.

When they are short of arguments they insult.

So why argue?

From out of nowhere, the return of a past troll.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Khun Han

manarak · January 21, 2016

There are documented, world standard facts in post #362. Page 15.

Real ones.

I think everyone will agree that procedural errors were made by the police and also that the methods used were inadequate.

Yet, inspite of errors and even considering torture was allegedly used, I am convinced of the two Burmese men's culpability.

In Western countries procedure irregularities are enough to halt prosecution and free the accused, but a release based on investigation errors doesn't prove the accused are innocent.

Is there any evidence proving the accused are innocent?

What has been brought up by the defense?

Edited January 21, 2016 by manarak

007cableguy · January 21, 2016

"Pol.Lt.Col. Kewalee, who conducted polices original testing of the garden hoe, told the court today that only Witheridges blood was found on the weapon."

"No other DNA was found on the tool, she said."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.

The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

How desperate of you to project your behaviour on other people; I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories, you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy; all you do when presented with documented facts is to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lies lies, all lies!".

I thought that was your forte.....backing up the RTP lies lies, all lies!. .

Khun Han · January 21, 2016

Again, more projection, you are the ones pushing your conspiracy theory as a fact... without actually having any fact to support it.

You can't handle the implications of recognizing that you were wrong, so you'll stick with the self-delusion.

Again no, you are deliberately reversing it. The conspiracy is the cover up that led to the B2 getting the death sentence on their own and letting some rich well connected locals remain free. Your only proof of the conspiracy comes from the people who are running the conspiracy, so you have no credible proof of what really happened.

You know this, we all know this, just like everyone of us who has lived in Thailand knows how corruptable the systems is especially if you are wealthy and connected. So carry on with your bare faced lying, we are all very aware of it and the only reason most of us still engages you is so that members new to the topic realise why you (and your many usernames) are here.

Nail squarely on head again Matt.

The idea is to shill the RTP/Tuvichien conspiracy to the casual observer.

Khun Han · January 21, 2016

There are documented, world standard facts in post #362. Page 15.

Real ones.

I think everyone will agree that procedural errors were made by the police and also that the methods used were inadequate.

Yet, inspite of errors and even considering torture was allegedly used, I am convinced of the two Burmese men's culpability.

In Western countries procedure irregularities are enough to halt prosecution and free the accused, but a release based on investigation errors doesn't prove the accused are innocent.

Is there any evidence proving the accused are innocent?

What has been brought up by the defense?

Firstly, it's all the leads and evidence that weren't investigated, were skewed and were lost that make this case so wrong.

Secondly, nobody has to prove their innocence in a court of law. Ever. The prosecution has to prove guilt, and they failed miserably here. But they weren't the slightest bit bothered because they knew the case was a procession with a pre-ordained destination.

AleG · January 21, 2016

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

And you keep posting excerpts from a court report that is discredited. You can keep on posting those excerpts as though it's some sort of bible, but you are only preaching to your choir..

*edited to add* You beat me to it Matt. I just read down to your post.

You haven't discredited anything, stomping your feet and calling everything a lie only damages your own credibility.

AleG · January 21, 2016

Again, more projection, you are the ones pushing your conspiracy theory as a fact... without actually having any fact to support it.
You can't handle the implications of recognizing that you were wrong, so you'll stick with the self-delusion.

Again no, you are deliberately reversing it. The conspiracy is the cover up that led to the B2 getting the death sentence on their own and letting some rich well connected locals remain free. Your only proof of the conspiracy comes from the people who are running the conspiracy, so you have no credible proof of what really happened.

You know this, we all know this, just like everyone of us who has lived in Thailand knows how corruptable the systems is especially if you are wealthy and connected. So carry on with your bare faced lying, we are all very aware of it and the only reason most of us still engages you is so that members new to the topic realise why you (and your many usernames) are here.

My many user names...you know that to be true as much as you know about this conspiracy of yours; you just take refuge in imaginary scenarios.

But since you are so sure as to call me a liar you´ll have no problem to prove your accusation, right?

AleG · January 21, 2016

Just as I said: "you are the ones accusing anyone and everyone that doesn't buy or support your increasingly unsustainable narrative of being part of a conspiracy"

Aleg I do not understand your insistence to convince these people. The minutes of the judgment are clear and leaves no room for doubt:

Two Burmese are guilty of these sordid murders. They are abominable criminals who disregard the lives of others to satisfy their sexueles impulses. Animals.

But your opponents have a strong argument: For them all stakeholders in this case are part of a large plot at the service of the Mafia Thai. Police, justice, all the Thai authorities, Scotland Yard and even now the worthy family of Jersey.

When they are short of arguments they insult.

So why argue?

Because misinformation like the one being repeated here is being used to promote and perpetuate hate campaigns and witch hunts, among other things.

AleG · January 21, 2016

4000 pages of court records. So one can be a little suspicious that certain recorded exchanges that should have been in the summary were left out???

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/18595-defence-gets-extension-to-appeal-koh-tao-death-penalties.html

Defence gets extension to appeal Koh Tao death penalties. According to the Migrant Worker Rights Network, which has been assisting the defence, the team has pored over nearly 4000 pages of court records, and has assembled an extensive list of appeal points. The extra time will be used to coordinate with Ms Taupin about the DNA evidence, U Sein Htay, chair of the MWRN, said

The court accommodating (once again) the defense requests doesn't mesh very well with their supposed part in a grand conspiracy to ensure the supposed scapegoats go down in place of the supposed "real killers".

TheLobster · January 21, 2016

Fine take out the Dna that you say doesn't exist even the defenses own witness found a part match of the 2nd defendant.

Most murders do not have witnesses. Convictions are based on accumulations of circumstantial evidence that all put together create a probability of guilt.

Going for a swim in the rain means nothing.

Leaving your stuff at the beach, an easy thing to do.

Leaving butts at the beach, next or near a murder scene could happen to anyone.

Going to the beach at 5am, nothing wrong with that.

Finding a phone on the beach, I'm sure it's happened for many people. The phone belonging to someone that has just been murdered. Now you see, the realm of probability is now wearing very thin.

When you put it all together, as the judge said, absolutely unbelievable.

So correct me if I'm wrong, to conclude what you are saying, circumstantial evidence shows that the B2 are guilty of rape and murder despite no credible evidence to back this up and that a death sentence is appropriate ?

rudy h · January 21, 2016

It's interesting how the UK government will not disclose openly on record their official findings so as to support or challenge those findings, for Gods sake two of their young citizens traveled abroad for a fun holiday and were viciously murdered without any good reason except that two young Burmese men were so sexually aroused they felt compelled into such a rage? That is the theory?

Back in 2006 a brutal murder from neighboring Samui has some disturbing similarities of a 21 year old British woman meeting a similar fate as Hannah:

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2006/apr/08/travelnews.weekendmagazine

The method of investigation, theories and conclusions from the RTP back then were shockingly fabricated then and adjusted along the way to a conviction to satisfy the former prime minister.

Suppressing the official investigative report by the UK government today does not help justice and it actually brings in more doubt and questions.

I do not deserve answers myself personally but I really want to see justice were it is so badly needed. If no one speaks up and demands full-fledged transparency and a thorough investigation, this case will eventually die and life will go on in Thailand as usual. Sad really.

Edited January 21, 2016 by rudy h

Khun Han · January 21, 2016

You keep posting news articles without bothering with what came afterwards, again, from the court report:

"Pol.Gen. Kewalee Chakrabandhu, The National scientific crime detection officer examined evidence of both victims’ bloodstains from the hoe found at the crime scene. According to the result, bloodstains from both victims were found on the cotton bud used to wipe from the evidence hoe."

Obviously the press got it wrong, as they did in many other instances.

And you keep posting excerpts from a court report that is discredited. You can keep on posting those excerpts as though it's some sort of bible, but you are only preaching to your choir..

*edited to add* You beat me to it Matt. I just read down to your post.

You haven't discredited anything, stomping your feet and calling everything a lie only damages your own credibility.

The court report's centrepiece, it's main reason for conviction, the alleged DNA, was claimed in the report to have been tested and reported to international standards. This claim has been completely and utterly discredited by internationlly renowned legal experts and DNA analysis experts. You keep trying to spin the DNA evidence as credible by cherry picking bits and pieces of information from here, there and everywhere to support it's threadbare results (is it one, or two pieces of badly edited and dated bits of paper, I've forgotten?). But you don't fool anybody. International experts with no dog in this fight have confirmed that the DNA evidence is a nonsense. That's the centrepiece of the court report gone, utterly discredited. Therefore the report is discredited. And you keep trying to start debates with this report as some kind of incontrovertible starting point. What a laughably pathetic and lame tactic.

TheLobster · January 21, 2016

You keep referring to the court report as if it is gospel but it is just as corrupted and compromised as the investigation, the prosecution and the trial. You are using the corruption that everyone has a problem with and trying to use it as proof of facts to suit your argument.
The reason everyone is suspicious of the case is because of Thailand's notoriously corrupt police and court system and the fact that the police's and the judge's narrative of events makes no sense in the real world. If you really want to convince people of your conspiracy then use something which does not come from the people who are running the conspiracy.

I've never seen an official court translation submitted by the Justice Department, I saw an unofficial one that was prepared by the defense or their associates but an official one? Do you know where I can get a link to this?

An unofficial report carries as much weight as an unofficial newspaper report if the jurno was in court.

Your opinion isn't going to be respected much here if you ask such questions or make such implications whilst knowing where the translation came from.

iReason · January 21, 2016

"The trial of the Burmese migrant workers accused of killing two British backpackers in Thailand last year has descended into confusion on its second day, with the morning session suspended after a senior Thai police officer appeared confused about what forensic evidence from the crime his department is in possession of."

"Police Lieutenant Colonel Somsak Nurod, the chief of police on both Koh Phangan and the neighbouring island of Koh Tao, ... said he would have to return to Koh Tao to check what evidence the police were holding."

"Speaking to lead defence lawyer Nakhon Chompuchat outside the court room, Colonel Somsak said: “I am going back to check and will call you later to tell you what I have.”

"The prosecution then asked the three judges to suspend the hearing."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11728270/British-backpacker-murder-trial-in-Thailand-descends-into-confusion-over-DNA-evidence.html

Edited January 21, 2016 by iReason

iReason · January 21, 2016

"One of the foreign reporters said that he was unable to hire a Thai translator after dozens of locals declined the job offer, citing fear from “local mafia.”

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437573990