Prayut shuns rubber farmers' bid for help

[surat04]

New rubber plantations need to be stopped this is the problem over production over supply of any product world wide has caused this price slump, every one is planting rubber trees ,and of course prices will fall ,a buyers market over production ,the golden goose has flowen , no goverment can be held to ransom because of over production of rubber.

You are correct but it was the government who promoted growing rubber in the north and northeast. These were not traditional rubber areas, they even provided the saplings.

[Pimay1]

New rubber plantations need to be stopped this is the problem over production over supply of any product world wide has caused this price slump, every one is planting rubber trees ,and of course prices will fall ,a buyers market over production ,the golden goose has flowen , no goverment can be held to ransom because of over production of rubber.

You are correct but it was the government who promoted growing rubber in the north and northeast. These were not traditional rubber areas, they even provided the saplings.

Yes I remember a certain politician from Buriram was in charge of the project. It was rife with corruption.

[DLock]

Correct.

Plenty of 4 year old Vigo's and big screen TV's for sale now...

5 years ago, these Farmers were making a lot of money. How many paid tax I wonder...yet now they bitch and whine that the Government needs to help them.

The trend was on the wall 2 or 3 years ago, but these Farmers rode this rubber wave all the way to the shore.

The sad fact in Thailand is that when the price of rubber was high (especially 4 years back when ball rubber was over 90 Baht a kilo) every person thought they could make the same money (get rich) and did not plan for the future as markets rise and fall.

Lots of folk went out and planted rubber trees and tendered their trees and when it was time to milk their trees in came the money.

Then the world oil price started to drop and drop and drop to the point where the cost of fertiliser; chemicals; transport costs; cutting tools; etc is now higher than the 16 Baht per kilo of ball rubber.

Result is that all these farmers, that saw lots of Baht, now have none and lots of these farmers went out and bought, on finance up to 7 years, new pickup vehicles.

If these farmers were better educated and did not go with the crowd mentality maybe there would be less broke farmers.

The Thai governments are also to blame for not providing better industry assistance packages (years back) in guiding farmers in budgeting and learning about markets.

Thais are envious of others and if they see someone doing better in a industry, them many go and follow (sheep mentality) and try to do the same without any idea of the costs. In my in laws village there was only one reasonable shop for food supplies (no ice cream; no real coffee shop) so I built a proper shop (stand alone brick with glass front doors; air cond; good lighting) that provided Ice cream to the level of Swensen's; coffee like Black Cannon and a supermarket like a mini Tesco/Big C.

Guess what some local Thais did....Yes, went and tried to copy without any idea of costs and their building (house front) are dirty from the dry season dust and the food hygiene is very questionable.

Envy and Sheep mentality, so how to fix?

"Amazing Thailand"

Edited January 6, 2016 by DLock

[tbthailand]

Prayut said there are limited public funds to help farmers because it was not possible financially for the government to cover every project, including healthcare and the rice and rubber-subsidy programmes.

The self-appointed "PM" isn't going to get very far with the "we don't have enough money" excuses when the military is getting another budget increase and military spending has increased around 135% in less than 10 years...

Instead, he tries to make it sound like the choices are between one program to help people versus another program to help people...

I am confused. I have just finished replying to a post of yours decrying alleged junta populism, and now you are advocating it? Curiouser and curiouser said Alice.

But isn't it good to see a government that says it has limited funds? Or should Prayuth propose borrowing B2.2 trillion to prop up his popularity?

I know you are confused, and I know that you can't help it. Good luck in life, you need it.

So did you decry Junta populism in a previous post while here you are advocating it?

If you reply please address what I said instead if ignoring it and then belittling me. (like you did with halloween).

halloween is a disagreeable, insulting troll who purposefully feigns not understanding posts, misrepresents them, and then attacks the poster for his imaginary position.

Personally, the junta should not be in the position to make any decisions in Thailand, but should immediately return sovereignty to the Thai people and let them sort out their own issues.

And the points which Halloween so wilfully misunderstands is where I point out the hypocrisy of the junta when they decry as "populist" policies which help millions of Thais and which the junta attempts to cut off or eliminate, while on the other hand giving away huge amounts of money to people who the junta needs to maintain any semblance of support in the country.

BTW, in my post above, I merely point out the obvious lies and false choice that the self-appointed "PM" is presenting. Whether or not a (real) government in Thailand should provide a more stable economic environment for rubber, rice, or other farmers was not addressed. Personally, I have no problem with a government intervening in the agricultural sector to stablize a market that is global and volatile in nature. On the other hand, most governments don't do a very good job at it - example, the rice programs in Thailand... not just the last debacle, but a series of them by several different governments.

Edited January 6, 2016 by tbthailand

[Assurancetourix]

>>Previously, planters in 16 southern provinces threatened to rally due to the price slump.<< Quote

No doubt the drastic measure will bring up commodity prices worldwide..........................

Maybe time for some Thai farmers to get a real job in the construction sector, replacing some of the Cambodians and Burmese !!

The FACE, JOC ; impossible ........and Thailand will sink in a few years or become a real China province

[somo]

What is truly sad, is that people, the world over, expect to be 'bailed out' in time of trouble by the government, instead of taking responsibility themselves for their own situations.

This attitude is most assuredly not specific to Thailand, this is just a Thai example of it.

People are turning into socialists/communists and don't even realize it.

Brainwashed into thinking Big Brother is the "Answer To All" from childhood.

It is not sad just the result of capitalism yet you say they are communists as if that is some sort of insult.. Capitalist America and the EU are the biggest distributors of freebies in the world. You get bugger all for free in China or Russia. I think you have got your thoughts about front as well as your knickers. The giveaways are needed to keep the population subdued as the vast majority of them are relatively poor as in those areas something like 90% of the wealth is controlled by the rich 10%. It is worse here which kinda explains the more forceful methods of subjugation.

[lemonjelly]

Scary times for the tappers, especially those that have no plantation of their own. Many plantation owners have decided to "rest" the trees until things pick up, really quiet around here, tappers looking skinnier by the day, 5 baht second hand clothes pile the only crowd gatherer at the weekly evening market,

Restaurants and shops are quiet, everyone's had enough of the iced coffee from the roadside stalls that sprung up everywhere, they're all trying to figure what the can sell next to keep the payments up....mortgage, new 4 wd pick up, school fees..... University fees.... It's f****d down here, believe me.

Edited January 6, 2016 by lemonjelly

[Thai at Heart]

The sad fact in Thailand is that when the price of rubber was high (especially 4 years back when ball rubber was over 90 Baht a kilo) every person thought they could make the same money (get rich) and did not plan for the future as markets rise and fall.

Lots of folk went out and planted rubber trees and tendered their trees and when it was time to milk their trees in came the money.

Then the world oil price started to drop and drop and drop to the point where the cost of fertiliser; chemicals; transport costs; cutting tools; etc is now higher than the 16 Baht per kilo of ball rubber.

Result is that all these farmers, that saw lots of Baht, now have none and lots of these farmers went out and bought, on finance up to 7 years, new pickup vehicles.

If these farmers were better educated and did not go with the crowd mentality maybe there would be less broke farmers.

The Thai governments are also to blame for not providing better industry assistance packages (years back) in guiding farmers in budgeting and learning about markets.

Thais are envious of others and if they see someone doing better in a industry, them many go and follow (sheep mentality) and try to do the same without any idea of the costs. In my in laws village there was only one reasonable shop for food supplies (no ice cream; no real coffee shop) so I built a proper shop (stand alone brick with glass front doors; air cond; good lighting) that provided Ice cream to the level of Swensen's; coffee like Black Cannon and a supermarket like a mini Tesco/Big C.

Guess what some local Thais did....Yes, went and tried to copy without any idea of costs and their building (house front) are dirty from the dry season dust and the food hygiene is very questionable.

Envy and Sheep mentality, so how to fix?

"Amazing Thailand"

The point is, the middle men processors for this product in South East Asia are thai companies. They have operations in Malaysia, Indonesia and others, and are basic middle men. When they were getting the govt to encourage growing in isaan, they didn't give a damn where the product is grown, since they make a clip whereever.

this is the ulimate example of a govt following the advice of private business and confusing that the benefit of private business isnt; the same as the need of farmers. Whilst they were ploughing head long into increasing production, NO ONE considered this from a global price perspective except the private middle men, who don't give a damn.

[candide]

Rubber farmers from the south are all the more angry considering the following. They have been told that if they go protest against YL government and help ousting it, price of rubber would be increased.

[halloween]

I am confused. I have just finished replying to a post of yours decrying alleged junta populism, and now you are advocating it? Curiouser and curiouser said Alice.

But isn't it good to see a government that says it has limited funds? Or should Prayuth propose borrowing B2.2 trillion to prop up his popularity?

I know you are confused, and I know that you can't help it. Good luck in life, you need it.

So did you decry Junta populism in a previous post while here you are advocating it?

If you reply please address what I said instead if ignoring it and then belittling me. (like you did with halloween).

halloween is a disagreeable, insulting troll who purposefully feigns not understanding posts, misrepresents them, and then attacks the poster for his imaginary position.

Personally, the junta should not be in the position to make any decisions in Thailand, but should immediately return sovereignty to the Thai people and let them sort out their own issues.

And the points which Halloween so wilfully misunderstands is where I point out the hypocrisy of the junta when they decry as "populist" policies which help millions of Thais and which the junta attempts to cut off or eliminate, while on the other hand giving away huge amounts of money to people who the junta needs to maintain any semblance of support in the country.

BTW, in my post above, I merely point out the obvious lies and false choice that the self-appointed "PM" is presenting. Whether or not a (real) government in Thailand should provide a more stable economic environment for rubber, rice, or other farmers was not addressed. Personally, I have no problem with a government intervening in the agricultural sector to stablize a market that is global and volatile in nature. On the other hand, most governments don't do a very good job at it - example, the rice programs in Thailand... not just the last debacle, but a series of them by several different governments.

I have to point out, without resorting to insult, that you have religiously failed to decry PTP's unsustainable populist policies because they were presented at an election, but condemn any action of the junta, either farmer support or denial of it, simply because they are the junta. And the reason you so often state is their illegitimacy, rather than any view on the nature of the policy.

Perhaps when you get over your "democratic ideal" which you extend to any elected government, no matter how shonky, you might realise that the junta are doing a reasonable job while the much needed reforms are made to the Thai political scene.

[tbthailand]

I know you are confused, and I know that you can't help it. Good luck in life, you need it.

So did you decry Junta populism in a previous post while here you are advocating it?

If you reply please address what I said instead if ignoring it and then belittling me. (like you did with halloween).

halloween is a disagreeable, insulting troll who purposefully feigns not understanding posts, misrepresents them, and then attacks the poster for his imaginary position.

Personally, the junta should not be in the position to make any decisions in Thailand, but should immediately return sovereignty to the Thai people and let them sort out their own issues.

And the points which Halloween so wilfully misunderstands is where I point out the hypocrisy of the junta when they decry as "populist" policies which help millions of Thais and which the junta attempts to cut off or eliminate, while on the other hand giving away huge amounts of money to people who the junta needs to maintain any semblance of support in the country.

BTW, in my post above, I merely point out the obvious lies and false choice that the self-appointed "PM" is presenting. Whether or not a (real) government in Thailand should provide a more stable economic environment for rubber, rice, or other farmers was not addressed. Personally, I have no problem with a government intervening in the agricultural sector to stablize a market that is global and volatile in nature. On the other hand, most governments don't do a very good job at it - example, the rice programs in Thailand... not just the last debacle, but a series of them by several different governments.

I have to point out, without resorting to insult, that you have religiously failed to decry PTP's unsustainable populist policies because they were presented at an election, but condemn any action of the junta, either farmer support or denial of it, simply because they are the junta. And the reason you so often state is their illegitimacy, rather than any view on the nature of the policy.

Perhaps when you get over your "democratic ideal" which you extend to any elected government, no matter how shonky, you might realise that the junta are doing a reasonable job while the much needed reforms are made to the Thai political scene.

Perhaps when you get over your "democratic ideal" which you extend to any elected government, no matter how shonky, you might realise that the junta are doing a reasonable job while the much needed reforms are made to the Thai political scene.

Thanks for the laugh, spit coffee all over my KB this morning...

Please tell me you are smart enough to know that is hogwash and that you don't seriously believe in the junta-fairytale...

As for programs under democratically elected governments, (1) I criticize as I like and that is normally not against the law as it clearly is under this junta, (2) no elected government ever does everything right, but then again, (3) elected governments are responsible to the people and the people can change the government which is (4) clearly not an option with the current clown car running the country...

So don't be expecting me to get over my democratic ideal - I support universal human rights and the right of all people to self-determination. Period,

[billd766]

Farmers don't have guns or money, who cares about them.

Perhaps some 20 million farmers and their families do. I and quite a few other farangs on this and other forums do.

OTOH who really cares about you?

[billd766]

New rubber plantations need to be stopped this is the problem over production over supply of any product world wide has caused this price slump, every one is planting rubber trees ,and of course prices will fall ,a buyers market over production ,the golden goose has flowen , no goverment can be held to ransom because of over production of rubber.

You are correct but it was the government who promoted growing rubber in the north and northeast. These were not traditional rubber areas, they even provided the saplings.

But it was not this government no The PTP and the Democrat governments before either.

AFAIK rubber trees take about 8 years to mature and ready to be tapped

Think back to which government was in power at the time and work it out yourself.

Here is a link that may help.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/299772-all-rubber-sapling-defendants-cleared/page-2