Removing mercury fillings / amalgams

[suzannegoh]

Please go argue with someone else. Don't bore me with semantics.

Which I guess is your way of admitting you've been massively in error and dishonest about it.

No. It's my way of saying please go argue with someone else. Don't bore me with semantics. .

When someone invokes semantics, it's usually done to signal that the distinctions are subtle. Here they are not. Let me put it in simpler terms that you may be able to understand. Miss X owns a horse. She says that the horse is brown. If the horse is, in fact, brown, then it's a statement of fact. If Miss X says the horse is going to win lots of races, that's a judgement call. Not a statement of fact. When the FDA says that amalgam is composed of mercury and other metals, that's a statement of fact. If the FDA says amalgam is not harmful, that's a judgement call. They probably have lots of evidence to support their position, but, still, it's possible that they're wrong. Are you getting any of this or do I have to resort to pictures?

Actually though it's very difficult to get proof that something is completely safe because that involves proving a negative. If something demonstrably causes harm then the case is a slam dunk, otherwise all that you have is a lack of proof that something is dangerous.

Thirty or forty years ago their might not have been any practical alternative to dental amalgams, but now it seems as though even large cavities can be successfully filled with composite, so I wouldn’t get any new amalgams unless my dentist came up with a really good reason. But ripping out old amalgam fillings because of their theoretical risk is quite another thing, that sounds rather extreme to me.

Edited January 17, 2016 by suzannegoh

[FolkGuitar]

Please go argue with someone else. Don't bore me with semantics.

Which I guess is your way of admitting you've been massively in error and dishonest about it.

No. It's my way of saying please go argue with someone else. Don't bore me with semantics. .

When someone invokes semantics, it's usually done to signal that the distinctions are subtle. Here they are not. Let me put it in simpler terms that you may be able to understand. Miss X owns a horse. She says that the horse is brown. If the horse is, in fact, brown, then it's a statement of fact. If Miss X says the horse is going to win lots of races, that's a judgement call. Not a statement of fact. When the FDA says that amalgam is composed of mercury and other metals, that's a statement of fact. If the FDA says amalgam is not harmful, that's a judgement call. They probably have lots of evidence to support their position, but, still, it's possible that they're wrong. Are you getting any of this or do I have to resort to pictures?

Please go argue with someone else.

[arunsakda]

I have some amalgam fillings holding up fine for years, and some composites after they became available. Digging them out for no reason is stupid and the masochistic. I don't think it is easy to find Quack dentist actually, and I would question seriously the professional ethics of any who would suggest such a foolhardy programme of treatment.

Insurance does not pay for Composites because they are medically unnecessary/cosmetic. Insurance will pay for the cost of the Amalgam and I was happy to pay the difference out of pocket. They look "cool" but I hope they hold up as well over time as the amalgams have.

[dingodingo]

Go with the one that costs the most. As mercury is used as a 'catalyst' in the formation of an amalgam, it leaves no residue. Such is the chemical definition of a 'catalyst.'

If it leaves no residue, all the hype about replacing them is simply a clever scam to cause people to pay for unneeded medical care. So as long as you're going to pay for something that you really don't need, you may as well pay as much as possible. (God, I just love logic! LOL!)

I'd rather not have this "catalyst" in my mouth. Thanks anyway

The point is, you do NOT have the catalyst in your mouth. By definition, a catalyst is a substance that enables a chemical reaction to proceed without becoming part of the final result. In other words, the mercury was used to cause the ingredients of the amalgam to bind together, but doesn't remain mixed INTO the resulting amalgam that's in your teeth. The mercury is squeezed out of the mixture before it goes into your teeth. I used to get bottles of the used stuff as a child from my dentist so I could play with it, changing copper pennies into shinny silver ones. God only knows how many I must have made as a child...

I never liked all those little bits and pieces that result from drilling getting into my mouth so I always ask a dentist to use a 'Rubber Dam' when I need a cavity filled. This is a sheet of thin rubber that is attached to a framwork, and has a small hole in the center which goes over the tooth to be filled, isolating it from the area. NOTHING enters my mouth or throat (I don't care for the feeling of almost drowning while sitting in the chair either... Call me a wus...) I should think this ordinary dental device would be more than enough to prevent drilled-out amalgam from getting in your mouth. No need for anything special unless people enjoy paying the extra money for a 'Spacial Transformation Di-fluctuation Filldibuler' to be employed.

Good info -- thank you very much.

asianorange - I admire your responses. Good for you.

I'd like to remove the amalgam fillings in my mouth too, but I haven't found a dentist in Thailand that will understand about their removal. They offer a dam and high speed suction, but I figure if they are not wearing a respirator when they do it, than they don't understand about protecting my own health. So far that means I still have the amalgams in my mouth. My holistic dentist friend in the States won't even touch an amalgam. She says they vaporize as soon as the drill hits them.

If you find a good solution for this, please, please, please let me know. I'd very much like to take advantage of your finding.

[suzannegoh]

I'm not necessarily endorsing this conclusion; don't know if the referenced studies are credible since the main article is from a notoriously biased source and the actual studies were are from obscure universities. The article below references two studies, one conducted in Iran and the other in Pakistan, the abstracts of which seem to be claiming that EMI from cell phones and/or MRI's accelerate the release of mercury from dental amalgams.
http://www.naturalnews.com/052689_dental_fillings_mobile_phones_mercury_vapor.html

Edited January 20, 2016 by suzannegoh

[Dante99]

I'm not necessarily endorsing this conclusion; don't know if the referenced studies are credible since the main article is from a notoriously biased source and the actual studies were are from obscure universities. The article below references two studies, one conducted in Iran and the other in Pakistan, the abstracts of which seem to be claiming that EMI from cell phones and/or MRI's accelerate the release of mercury from dental amalgams.

http://www.naturalnews.com/052689_dental_fillings_mobile_phones_mercury_vapor.html

That is great Suzanne, so all we have to do is talk on our cell phones 24/7 for a few months and all that nasty mercury will be released and gone. No need to pay a dentist to remove the fillings.

[suzannegoh]

I'm not necessarily endorsing this conclusion; don't know if the referenced studies are credible since the main article is from a notoriously biased source and the actual studies were are from obscure universities. The article below references two studies, one conducted in Iran and the other in Pakistan, the abstracts of which seem to be claiming that EMI from cell phones and/or MRI's accelerate the release of mercury from dental amalgams.

http://www.naturalnews.com/052689_dental_fillings_mobile_phones_mercury_vapor.html

That is great Suzanne, so all we have to do is talk on our cell phones 24/7 for a few months and all that nasty mercury will be released and gone. No need to pay a dentist to remove the fillings.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that if that if the mercury is mobile enough that any environmental factors, whether EMI exposure or natural aging of the fillings, causes measurable changes in the Hg levels in one's saliva or urine then the risk of the Hg may be non-trivial. If the Hg were permanently trapped in the teeth then it may not be of even theoretical concern.

Edited January 20, 2016 by suzannegoh

[Bill97]

I'm not necessarily endorsing this conclusion; don't know if the referenced studies are credible since the main article is from a notoriously biased source and the actual studies were are from obscure universities. The article below references two studies, one conducted in Iran and the other in Pakistan, the abstracts of which seem to be claiming that EMI from cell phones and/or MRI's accelerate the release of mercury from dental amalgams.

http://www.naturalnews.com/052689_dental_fillings_mobile_phones_mercury_vapor.html

That is great Suzanne, so all we have to do is talk on our cell phones 24/7 for a few months and all that nasty mercury will be released and gone. No need to pay a dentist to remove the fillings.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that if that if the mercury is mobile enough that any environmental factors, whether EMI exposure or natural aging of the fillings, causes measurable changes in the Hg levels in one's saliva or urine then the risk of the Hg may be non-trivial. If the Hg were permanently trapped in the teeth then it may not be of even theoretical concern.

If that were true, mobile Mercury, wouldn't there be evidence? It has been a long time.

[suzannegoh]

I'm not necessarily endorsing this conclusion; don't know if the referenced studies are credible since the main article is from a notoriously biased source and the actual studies were are from obscure universities. The article below references two studies, one conducted in Iran and the other in Pakistan, the abstracts of which seem to be claiming that EMI from cell phones and/or MRI's accelerate the release of mercury from dental amalgams.

http://www.naturalnews.com/052689_dental_fillings_mobile_phones_mercury_vapor.html

That is great Suzanne, so all we have to do is talk on our cell phones 24/7 for a few months and all that nasty mercury will be released and gone. No need to pay a dentist to remove the fillings.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that if that if the mercury is mobile enough that any environmental factors, whether EMI exposure or natural aging of the fillings, causes measurable changes in the Hg levels in one's saliva or urine then the risk of the Hg may be non-trivial. If the Hg were permanently trapped in the teeth then it may not be of even theoretical concern.

If that were true, mobile Mercury, wouldn't there be evidence? It has been a long time.

One would think so. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some fundamental flaws in those studies or if Natural News is misrepresenting their conclusion (it is conspicuous that it so conveniently ties together two of their pet topics: mercury exposure and cell phone radiation), but according to those papers, there is evidence of that in that varying levels of Hg were detected in a urine and/or saliva of the patients under study. The authors are claiming that the differences they measured are statistically significant, but probably Hg in bodily fluids can be measured down into the low ppb range so it's quite possible that the differences could be statistically significant without having a health impact.

Edited January 20, 2016 by suzannegoh

[arunsakda]

There we have it in post #64. The answer is to fly to the states and find a Holistic Dentist. Maybe there is one in Malibu.

Then the "Dr." can set up an absurd fiction for you where you get a dental dam, a positive pressure headgear/mouth appliance with system to recover "vapor", and your poor head inside a chemical glovebox like a nuclear fuel rod. Then she can work on you whilst wearing a full Hazmat suit with an artificial breathing system.

Of course no insurance plan will pay for any of this chicanery but while in Malibu maybe you can get some "Bodywork" done. Then buy some non-GMO corn flakes, "healing" crystals and ear-candles,and maybe some so-called "colloidal silver".

Then to protect oneself from Influenza you can NOT get a flu shot. Don't bother to vaccinate your kids because you feed them expensive organic stuff from Whole Foods Market.

[mindovermatter]

Interesting! Well, I also had a hard time choosing an ideal dental location for this procedure late last year and ended up having it done in Bangkok. I had their Safe Amalgam Removal Procedure at Thantakit Dental last November and everything worked out great. The dentist who specializes in this procedure did it in a special treatment room for amalgam/mercury removal. Indeed, you really have to choose a qualified person who specializes in amalgam removal, as well as opt for a dental clinic with the right facilities where safety precautions are being practised. I was very wary and felt like one should choose a credible dental clinic, especially for this kind of sensitive procedure.

Edited March 28, 2016 by mindovermatter

[cloudhopper]

Interesting! Well, I also had a hard time choosing an ideal dental location for this procedure late last year and ended up having it done in Bangkok. I had their Safe Amalgam Removal Procedure at Thantakit Dental last November and everything worked out great. The dentist who specializes in this procedure did it in a special treatment room for amalgam/mercury removal. Indeed, you really have to choose a qualified person who specializes in amalgam removal, as well as opt for a dental clinic with the right facilities where safety precautions are being practised. I was very wary and felt like one should choose a credible dental clinic, especially for this kind of sensitive procedure.

Glad you pulled through.

[elektrified]

Interesting! Well, I also had a hard time choosing an ideal dental location for this procedure late last year and ended up having it done in Bangkok. I had their Safe Amalgam Removal Procedure at Thantakit Dental last November and everything worked out great. The dentist who specializes in this procedure did it in a special treatment room for amalgam/mercury removal. Indeed, you really have to choose a qualified person who specializes in amalgam removal, as well as opt for a dental clinic with the right facilities where safety precautions are being practised. I was very wary and felt like one should choose a credible dental clinic, especially for this kind of sensitive procedure.

I had some replaced in Eastern Europe with no special conditions. Worked out just fine for me. Bet I paid a lot less than you.

Sensitive procedure?