Australian accused of planning to pack kangaroo with bomb

[callaway]

He is not an aussie

So what is he?

An Aussie short for Australian is a person that loves there country and proud to say so, he is just a piece of scum that was let in the country by mistake. He might even have an Aussie passport but to read what he was plannining means he was against the Australian way of life., to follow the law and make an oath. So my view is he is not an Aussie ,far from it and should be deported back to where he came from.

He is a migrant or son or grandson of a migrant that despises our country but wants the benefits.

lts on record that a religious leader from one of these people has said that they will never assimilate.

We have taken in nationalities from all over the world & after some initial problems or adjustments they have all settled down & their children are as Australian as any of us.

All except one particular group who "demand" special treatment & want things to be changed to suit them.

They recently put in a submission in one state for inheritance laws to be changed to suit them.

lt was not allowed this time but they have said that they will keep trying until they get what they want.

inheritance laws this time, if they get it, then what else do they want to change?

They should never have been allowed into the country.

No prizes for guessing who this group are.

Australians call a spade a spade. Not "you all know what this digging implement is don't you". If you are an aussie the show some gonads and say muslim. They will not put a fatma out on you. Its no wonder governments can control when there is chicken s$#@/ around that are scared of their own shadow and use political correctness to cover up the fact they have no balls

[MrTee]

"They will not put a fatma out on you."

Is she still a virgin?

[klauskunkel]

Aww, look at him, he's just starting to grow his ISIS beard. Can grow it in jail now...reminds me of that 'Fidel Castro eating a banana' joke...

[SABloke]

He is not an aussie

So what is he?

An Aussie short for Australian is a person that loves there country and proud to say so, he is just a piece of scum that was let in the country by mistake. He might even have an Aussie passport but to read what he was plannining means he was against the Australian way of life., to follow the law and make an oath. So my view is he is not an Aussie ,far from it and should be deported back to where he came from.

Sounds like ''A Thai person would never do such a thing..'' kind of logic to me. Pathetic

[alocacoc]

He is not an aussie

So what is he?

A muslim.

[SABloke]

Some of our members would make Hendrik Verwoerd blush No wonder they don't let you have guns

[Phuket Stan]

Aww, look at him, he's just starting to grow his ISIS beard. Can grow it in jail now...reminds me of that 'Fidel Castro eating a banana' joke...

Don't think his beard is the only thing that will grow in jail.....am sure the Aussie coppers will make sure he is locked up with a few old lags who like a bit of butt after dinner

[car720]

He is not an aussie

So what is he?

An Aussie short for Australian is a person that loves there country and proud to say so, he is just a piece of scum that was let in the country by mistake. He might even have an Aussie passport but to read what he was plannining means he was against the Australian way of life., to follow the law and make an oath. So my view is he is not an Aussie ,far from it and should be deported back to where he came from.

He is a migrant or son or grandson of a migrant that despises our country but wants the benefits.

lts on record that a religious leader from one of these people has said that they will never assimilate.

We have taken in nationalities from all over the world & after some initial problems or adjustments they have all settled down & their children are as Australian as any of us.

All except one particular group who "demand" special treatment & want things to be changed to suit them.

They recently put in a submission in one state for inheritance laws to be changed to suit them.

lt was not allowed this time but they have said that they will keep trying until they get what they want.

inheritance laws this time, if they get it, then what else do they want to change?

They should never have been allowed into the country.

No prizes for guessing who this group are.

Women??

[soc]

Callaway,

l have no trouble calling him a muslim.

1) l was being sarcastic but you couldn't pick that up.

2) l didn't want to defile my keyboard by using that word, "muslim"

Now you've gone & made me do it twice!

And its fatwa not fatma, as you said.

Unless of course he or you have a fat ma!

Nothing wrong with fat mas, they are generally good cooks!

[lvr181]

Give him the taste of their own medicine and he will no longer be an Aussie (or anything else for that matter)!

[pedro01]

I have to wonder how he planned to get the kangaroo to move in the general direction of the police as opposed to wherever it wanted to go.

I mean, they are hardly domesticated are they?

[jmccarty]

Packing a Kangaroo. What then? Run towards the cops skippy! Serious?

[lostboy]

Why are people scared of this guy? Why the hysterics about his 'un-Australian-ness'? Calls for removing citizenship from a 2nd or 3rd generation, native born Australian. If this story is accurate, then it demonstrates how chaotic, unprofessional and opportunistic these terrorist groups really are.

Who can take such an absurd plan seriously. It points to the technical difficulties of executing a terrorist action. How many other 'radicalised' youths are instagraming and texting their stupidly naive ideas to Terror HQ, where-ever that is?

The lesson from this is that fighting crimes committed by ideologically driven individuals is a police matter. Police and criminal justice institutions have worked effectively for decades in suppressing criminal activity and punishing wrong-doers. You don't need special laws. You don't need to give agencies more powers that infringe the rights and privacy of individuals. As John Kerry said in 2004: "We have to get back to the place we were where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/magazine/kerrys-undeclared-war.html

Clearly police procedures worked in this guy's case. Let the criminal justice system process him accordingly with fair and transparent trial according to law. Provide sufficient resources, not powers, to police agencies to continue to manage this 'nuisance'. Everyone pushing the same old stuff - ban all Muslims, send them back, up to and including calls for genocide is a real distraction. Deal with each element of the problem rationally and with cool dispatch. Silly wannabe heroes like this kid with the scrabbly whiskers can be left to the police. Facilitating acceptance of muslim participation in Australian society can be a focus of government. Dealing with the political realities that spawn criminal activity should be the role of multilateral agencies established to make and enforce international law.

Lumping everyone into he same group and shouting 'kill them all' is really a huge waste of time and distraction. Leave that brainless nonsense to the US Republican Candidates.

Edited January 29, 2016 by lostboy

[Basil B]

Interesting sentences those British judges hand out..."life sentence" = no parole before 5 years. ?

So give him 15 years... out in 7.5 years.

With the sentence of life with a minimum of 5 years means he would have to do 5 years before he can ask to be considered for parole, he will not get it unless he is considered safe to let out, he could be refused until he dies in prison and if he is let out he could be recalled at any time.

[bendejo]

Start getting the word out that kangaroos are genetically the same as pigs, that'll change their tactics.

[lvr181]

Start getting the word out that kangaroos are genetically the same as pigs, that'll change their tactics.

[Greer]

He is not an aussie

What constitutes being an Aussie, and which criteria does he fail?

If your family immigrated more than 50 years ago you're Australian and less than that you're not? Or is it just if your surname isn't pre-industrial, European you're not

I would say that plotting terrorist activities in the name of a foreign terrorist organisation with which Australia is currently engaged in a war - that would at the very least make him a traitor, and should be charged with treason in a time of war (which is effectively what we have now). The penalty for that was always death, and I hope it stays that way.

I would say that someone engaged in plotting to carry out terrorist activities against the Australian public has effectively made his decision as to his allegiances and apparently he doesn't want to be an Australian - so I think that pretty well makes up my mind on his status.

[Greer]

Why are people scared of this guy? Why the hysterics about his 'un-Australian-ness'? Calls for removing citizenship from a 2nd or 3rd generation, native born Australian. If this story is accurate, then it demonstrates how chaotic, unprofessional and opportunistic these terrorist groups really are.

Who can take such an absurd plan seriously. It points to the technical difficulties of executing a terrorist action. How many other 'radicalised' youths are instagraming and texting their stupidly naive ideas to Terror HQ, where-ever that is?

The lesson from this is that fighting crimes committed by ideologically driven individuals is a police matter. Police and criminal justice institutions have worked effectively for decades in suppressing criminal activity and punishing wrong-doers. You don't need special laws. You don't need to give agencies more powers that infringe the rights and privacy of individuals. As John Kerry said in 2004: "We have to get back to the place we were where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/magazine/kerrys-undeclared-war.html

Clearly police procedures worked in this guy's case. Let the criminal justice system process him accordingly with fair and transparent trial according to law. Provide sufficient resources, not powers, to police agencies to continue to manage this 'nuisance'. Everyone pushing the same old stuff - ban all Muslims, send them back, up to and including calls for genocide is a real distraction. Deal with each element of the problem rationally and with cool dispatch. Silly wannabe heroes like this kid with the scrabbly whiskers can be left to the police. Facilitating acceptance of muslim participation in Australian society can be a focus of government. Dealing with the political realities that spawn criminal activity should be the role of multilateral agencies established to make and enforce international law.

Lumping everyone into he same group and shouting 'kill them all' is really a huge waste of time and distraction. Leave that brainless nonsense to the US Republican Candidates.

Because lone-wolf type attacks and even small groups of radicalised teenagers or young adults, CAN actually kill people - do you think that saying "She'll be right!"... and ignoring potential threats is a good move?

With virtually no effort at all, I can think of simply dozens of horrendous attacks that could easily be perpetrated against the Australian public - that's why people need to start taking these religious nutcases seriously as a threat to our lives - before it can get to the stage where complacency leads to the loss of lives.

[lostboy]

Why are people scared of this guy? Why the hysterics about his 'un-Australian-ness'? Calls for removing citizenship from a 2nd or 3rd generation, native born Australian. If this story is accurate, then it demonstrates how chaotic, unprofessional and opportunistic these terrorist groups really are.

Who can take such an absurd plan seriously. It points to the technical difficulties of executing a terrorist action. How many other 'radicalised' youths are instagraming and texting their stupidly naive ideas to Terror HQ, where-ever that is?

The lesson from this is that fighting crimes committed by ideologically driven individuals is a police matter. Police and criminal justice institutions have worked effectively for decades in suppressing criminal activity and punishing wrong-doers. You don't need special laws. You don't need to give agencies more powers that infringe the rights and privacy of individuals. As John Kerry said in 2004: "We have to get back to the place we were where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/magazine/kerrys-undeclared-war.html

Clearly police procedures worked in this guy's case. Let the criminal justice system process him accordingly with fair and transparent trial according to law. Provide sufficient resources, not powers, to police agencies to continue to manage this 'nuisance'. Everyone pushing the same old stuff - ban all Muslims, send them back, up to and including calls for genocide is a real distraction. Deal with each element of the problem rationally and with cool dispatch. Silly wannabe heroes like this kid with the scrabbly whiskers can be left to the police. Facilitating acceptance of muslim participation in Australian society can be a focus of government. Dealing with the political realities that spawn criminal activity should be the role of multilateral agencies established to make and enforce international law.

Lumping everyone into he same group and shouting 'kill them all' is really a huge waste of time and distraction. Leave that brainless nonsense to the US Republican Candidates.

Because lone-wolf type attacks and even small groups of radicalised teenagers or young adults, CAN actually kill people - do you think that saying "She'll be right!"... and ignoring potential threats is a good move?

With virtually no effort at all, I can think of simply dozens of horrendous attacks that could easily be perpetrated against the Australian public - that's why people need to start taking these religious nutcases seriously as a threat to our lives - before it can get to the stage where complacency leads to the loss of lives.

I certainly am not advocating ignoring the issue. How did you get that from my words? What I am advocating is not running around screaming in terror like little girls distracting serious people from doing serious work. The noise generated by the hysterical types is generally caused by either fear, racism or religious bigotry and it affects decision makers. This constituency that keeps on nattering about lone wolves or radical islamists offer nothing to the public policy sphere except pressure on decision makers to be seen to do something, even if that something is irrelevant. And so rights and freedoms are infringed; resources misallocated to appease the noisiest; biases and irrational beliefs magnified resulting in marginalisation of some groups of Australian citizens.

What lone wolf attacks have been executed in Australia? The police seem to be doing their job. Continue to provide them with the resources to make sure that criminal activity is suppressed as much as possible. Where do lone wolves or groups of radicalised youths get the means to carry out attacks? Restrictions on guns and munitions means that generally their attempts to acquire such tools will be discovered by police. Attempts at criminal activity that are coordinated by some foreign command and control structure will likewise be detected.

So what do you offer in terms of a public policy perspective? Just more demonisation and marginalisation of minority groups in Australia. Same ol' Same ol'. Been happening for generations. Is this the Australian way? First it was the blacks, then the Chinese, then the Greeks, then the Italians, then the Vietnamese, then the Khmer and now the Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis etc etc etc. These issues are multi-faceted and require complex, coordinated and rational responses. Fear generated by bigotry does not contribute to this.

Your argument that you can think of many ways in which to inflict some criminal, terrorist act doesn't really cut it. Are these cunning plans at the same level as the Bouncing Joey Pouch Strategy? Perhaps think a little deeper. Once you start to operationalise your cunning plan(s), I would wager that you would soon be getting a visit from the authorities. Perhaps you can ask Baldric to give some advice?

I think more Australians have been eaten by Great Whites than have been killed by what you call Islamic Terrorists. Hysteria makes a mockery of the idea of proportionality.

[simple1]

Why are people scared of this guy? Why the hysterics about his 'un-Australian-ness'? Calls for removing citizenship from a 2nd or 3rd generation, native born Australian. If this story is accurate, then it demonstrates how chaotic, unprofessional and opportunistic these terrorist groups really are.

Who can take such an absurd plan seriously. It points to the technical difficulties of executing a terrorist action. How many other 'radicalised' youths are instagraming and texting their stupidly naive ideas to Terror HQ, where-ever that is?

The lesson from this is that fighting crimes committed by ideologically driven individuals is a police matter. Police and criminal justice institutions have worked effectively for decades in suppressing criminal activity and punishing wrong-doers. You don't need special laws. You don't need to give agencies more powers that infringe the rights and privacy of individuals. As John Kerry said in 2004: "We have to get back to the place we were where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/magazine/kerrys-undeclared-war.html

Clearly police procedures worked in this guy's case. Let the criminal justice system process him accordingly with fair and transparent trial according to law. Provide sufficient resources, not powers, to police agencies to continue to manage this 'nuisance'. Everyone pushing the same old stuff - ban all Muslims, send them back, up to and including calls for genocide is a real distraction. Deal with each element of the problem rationally and with cool dispatch. Silly wannabe heroes like this kid with the scrabbly whiskers can be left to the police. Facilitating acceptance of muslim participation in Australian society can be a focus of government. Dealing with the political realities that spawn criminal activity should be the role of multilateral agencies established to make and enforce international law.

Lumping everyone into he same group and shouting 'kill them all' is really a huge waste of time and distraction. Leave that brainless nonsense to the US Republican Candidates.

Because lone-wolf type attacks and even small groups of radicalised teenagers or young adults, CAN actually kill people - do you think that saying "She'll be right!"... and ignoring potential threats is a good move?

With virtually no effort at all, I can think of simply dozens of horrendous attacks that could easily be perpetrated against the Australian public - that's why people need to start taking these religious nutcases seriously as a threat to our lives - before it can get to the stage where complacency leads to the loss of lives.

I certainly am not advocating ignoring the issue. How did you get that from my words? What I am advocating is not running around screaming in terror like little girls distracting serious people from doing serious work. The noise generated by the hysterical types is generally caused by either fear, racism or religious bigotry and it affects decision makers. This constituency that keeps on nattering about lone wolves or radical islamists offer nothing to the public policy sphere except pressure on decision makers to be seen to do something, even if that something is irrelevant. And so rights and freedoms are infringed; resources misallocated to appease the noisiest; biases and irrational beliefs magnified resulting in marginalisation of some groups of Australian citizens.

What lone wolf attacks have been executed in Australia? The police seem to be doing their job. Continue to provide them with the resources to make sure that criminal activity is suppressed as much as possible. Where do lone wolves or groups of radicalised youths get the means to carry out attacks? Restrictions on guns and munitions means that generally their attempts to acquire such tools will be discovered by police. Attempts at criminal activity that are coordinated by some foreign command and control structure will likewise be detected.

So what do you offer in terms of a public policy perspective? Just more demonisation and marginalisation of minority groups in Australia. Same ol' Same ol'. Been happening for generations. Is this the Australian way? First it was the blacks, then the Chinese, then the Greeks, then the Italians, then the Vietnamese, then the Khmer and now the Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis etc etc etc. These issues are multi-faceted and require complex, coordinated and rational responses. Fear generated by bigotry does not contribute to this.

Your argument that you can think of many ways in which to inflict some criminal, terrorist act doesn't really cut it. Are these cunning plans at the same level as the Bouncing Joey Pouch Strategy? Perhaps think a little deeper. Once you start to operationalise your cunning plan(s), I would wager that you would soon be getting a visit from the authorities. Perhaps you can ask Baldric to give some advice?

I think more Australians have been eaten by Great Whites than have been killed by what you call Islamic Terrorists. Hysteria makes a mockery of the idea of proportionality.

At this point in time you're correct, more Australians killed by sharks p.a. than terrorist activity within Oz. Thankfully Oz security agencies have foiled a number of planned attacks, however, it would only take one 'successful' mass casualty attack to turn around the stats.

The Curtis Cheng murder last year by a 15 year old in Sydney was an attack that was not detected by security agencies, the weapon was provided by a Muslim heritage organised crime gang. Personally whilst I agree with some of your observations above, I do believe you're underestimating the level of threat by the small number of Islamists in Oz.

Edited January 30, 2016 by simple1

[Credo]

The analogy with sharks is interesting but not really relevant. I can avoid sharks. I can stay away from the ocean and I can go swimming in a pool. It's much harder to avoid terrorists. We have no idea where they will strike, although if you are swimming in the ocean your probably fairly safe from terrorists.

[lvr181]

Another imbecile from the religion of peace.

NAH. He doesn't have enough brains to be an imbecile!!

The unclean swine have more brains - is this why swine are not acceptable to the Daech?

[lostboy]

Why are people scared of this guy? Why the hysterics about his 'un-Australian-ness'? Calls for removing citizenship from a 2nd or 3rd generation, native born Australian. If this story is accurate, then it demonstrates how chaotic, unprofessional and opportunistic these terrorist groups really are.

Who can take such an absurd plan seriously. It points to the technical difficulties of executing a terrorist action. How many other 'radicalised' youths are instagraming and texting their stupidly naive ideas to Terror HQ, where-ever that is?

The lesson from this is that fighting crimes committed by ideologically driven individuals is a police matter. Police and criminal justice institutions have worked effectively for decades in suppressing criminal activity and punishing wrong-doers. You don't need special laws. You don't need to give agencies more powers that infringe the rights and privacy of individuals. As John Kerry said in 2004: "We have to get back to the place we were where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/magazine/kerrys-undeclared-war.html

Clearly police procedures worked in this guy's case. Let the criminal justice system process him accordingly with fair and transparent trial according to law. Provide sufficient resources, not powers, to police agencies to continue to manage this 'nuisance'. Everyone pushing the same old stuff - ban all Muslims, send them back, up to and including calls for genocide is a real distraction. Deal with each element of the problem rationally and with cool dispatch. Silly wannabe heroes like this kid with the scrabbly whiskers can be left to the police. Facilitating acceptance of muslim participation in Australian society can be a focus of government. Dealing with the political realities that spawn criminal activity should be the role of multilateral agencies established to make and enforce international law.

Lumping everyone into he same group and shouting 'kill them all' is really a huge waste of time and distraction. Leave that brainless nonsense to the US Republican Candidates.

Because lone-wolf type attacks and even small groups of radicalised teenagers or young adults, CAN actually kill people - do you think that saying "She'll be right!"... and ignoring potential threats is a good move?

With virtually no effort at all, I can think of simply dozens of horrendous attacks that could easily be perpetrated against the Australian public - that's why people need to start taking these religious nutcases seriously as a threat to our lives - before it can get to the stage where complacency leads to the loss of lives.

I certainly am not advocating ignoring the issue. How did you get that from my words? What I am advocating is not running around screaming in terror like little girls distracting serious people from doing serious work. The noise generated by the hysterical types is generally caused by either fear, racism or religious bigotry and it affects decision makers. This constituency that keeps on nattering about lone wolves or radical islamists offer nothing to the public policy sphere except pressure on decision makers to be seen to do something, even if that something is irrelevant. And so rights and freedoms are infringed; resources misallocated to appease the noisiest; biases and irrational beliefs magnified resulting in marginalisation of some groups of Australian citizens.

What lone wolf attacks have been executed in Australia? The police seem to be doing their job. Continue to provide them with the resources to make sure that criminal activity is suppressed as much as possible. Where do lone wolves or groups of radicalised youths get the means to carry out attacks? Restrictions on guns and munitions means that generally their attempts to acquire such tools will be discovered by police. Attempts at criminal activity that are coordinated by some foreign command and control structure will likewise be detected.

So what do you offer in terms of a public policy perspective? Just more demonisation and marginalisation of minority groups in Australia. Same ol' Same ol'. Been happening for generations. Is this the Australian way? First it was the blacks, then the Chinese, then the Greeks, then the Italians, then the Vietnamese, then the Khmer and now the Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis etc etc etc. These issues are multi-faceted and require complex, coordinated and rational responses. Fear generated by bigotry does not contribute to this.

Your argument that you can think of many ways in which to inflict some criminal, terrorist act doesn't really cut it. Are these cunning plans at the same level as the Bouncing Joey Pouch Strategy? Perhaps think a little deeper. Once you start to operationalise your cunning plan(s), I would wager that you would soon be getting a visit from the authorities. Perhaps you can ask Baldric to give some advice?

I think more Australians have been eaten by Great Whites than have been killed by what you call Islamic Terrorists. Hysteria makes a mockery of the idea of proportionality.

At this point in time you're correct, more Australians killed by sharks p.a. than terrorist activity within Oz. Thankfully Oz security agencies have foiled a number of planned attacks, however, it would only take one 'successful' mass casualty attack to turn around the stats.

The Curtis Cheng murder last year by a 15 year old in Sydney was an attack that was not detected by security agencies, the weapon was provided by a Muslim heritage organised crime gang. Personally whilst I agree with some of your observations above, I do believe you're underestimating the level of threat by the small number of Islamists in Oz.

You may well be correct about under-estimating the level of threat. I don't get much Australian news here in Bangkok and have never really followed the papers from the Eastern States so I didn't know about the Curtis Cheng murder. Made some interesting reading. It was also interesting to see that there is a Middle Eastern Organised Crime Task Force, which I think is sensible given the times and not at all 'racist'. I read that an accomplice was charged under criminal law and not anti-terrorism law, which seems to demonstrate some judiciousness on the part of the NSW police.

Despite the ludicrousness of the plan in the OP and the typical TVF response, I do think that keeping faith with the institutions and principles that have served Australia well in the past is the right approach. When I think about these issues, I recall the crimes that existed in my youth. That was the era of the bank robber, both in Australia and the UK. A mixture of responses over time has resulted in this particular crime being practically wiped out in terms of organised bank robberies. New technologies, better policing and other measures dealt with that. Remove the ideological bias from the terrorist crimes and solutions will present themselves to cooler heads. Such solutions I believe will not require concentration camps, insignia stitched on clothing, forced relocation, forced conversions and other such measures. I also believe that the ideological battle can be fought much more cleverly but not by people who do not fundamentally respect other citizens.

[soc]

l think that a lot of posters here are living in la-la land.

"Oh it won't happen here"

Bet they said that in Paris too.

[impulse]

I also believe that the ideological battle can be fought much more cleverly but not by people who do not fundamentally respect other citizens.

And therein lies the rub.

And it's why my heart sinks when I read posts here from foreigners who have actually taken the amazing step of living in a foreign land, while actually seeming to despise and disrespect all things foreign.

Every "solution" on offer seems guaranteed to create more enemy terrorists than they (we?) can possibly neutralize by killing them, or winning their hearts and minds.

Edited February 20, 2016 by impulse

[harrry]

Packing a Kangaroo. What then? Run towards the cops skippy! Serious?

Of course if he was like Skippy the Thai security guards with whistles would be in trouble.

Not too sure of this....just sounds like bar talk...of how we would pinch a plane and go on a world tour of all the bar spots or something.

And to the one who asked....fatma is almost certainly not a virgin if she lives in the Western Suburbs.

Edited February 20, 2016 by harrry