Evidence from UK's National Crime Agency 'critical' in sentencing Koh Tao killers to death

[JLCrab]

JLCrab, on 26 Feb 2016 - 02:11, said:

IslandLover, on 26 Feb 2016 - 01:58, said:

JLCrab, on 25 Feb 2016 - 13:50, said:JLCrab, on 25 Feb 2016 - 13:50, said:

Mr. Samuels wrote on 9 JULY 2015 that his translator had been warned off by the Mafia and on 10 JULY 2015 he was submitting dispatches from the Samui Courtroom on his Twitter account.

He is also recorded on video outside the courtroom saying that his translator had been warned off. He described those threatening his female translator as "mafia".

So on 9 JULY 2015 he wrote and said on video that his translation had been scared off by mafia types and on July 10 he was able to submit his own Twitter dispatches from the courtroom so he apparently found another translator.

I have no idea whether he found another translator or not but that does not alter the fact that one of his translators was warned off.

I have no doubt that 9 July he said one of his translators was warned off but he was able to post on Twitter the next day with his own dispatches. I have already posted 2 of his 10 JULY Twitter dispatches.

As to your other post two people have died with no indication they were knocked off and there is no indication that they had anything to do with the crime other than your quoting your alleged source as to that they allegedly know.

If your alleged source knows something tangible about these alleged deaths and crimes maybe he/she should contact Mr. Samuels at SKYnews because it seems he is always interested in an alleged scoop about alleged mafia-types on Koh Tao. Allegedly.

Edited February 26, 2016 by JLCrab

[Moonsterk]

Still there has not one person who has publicly come forward and stated that anyone was confronting the late Ms. Witheridge with propositions sexual or otherwise. Not even persons who were with her that evening and have returned to UK.

..... so how do you account for the rumour just hours after the deaths that there was an altercation in AC bar . Some one said something, i guess in the broader sense that was in public ... certainly it was enough to get the police interested in making a visit to AC bar and testing some of the staff .

But wait that was the same visit that drugs were found on site and that was just brushed aside ... just another example of one rule for me and another for you on KT beach .

As a rule no smoke without fire ! which of course applies to Nomsod . Just how did his name pop up to start with ? Did someone want to drop him in the frame coz he's a spaky handed Lothareo , and they had a grudge against him . I can't see that can you ? SO that leaves the other scenario , where he was actually there on KT , involved or not !

the trouble is as i have said before that mud sticks .... it's as true for the burmese convicted as it is for Nsod who despite 18 months of denial remains in the frame ......

....so how do you account for the rumour just hours after the deaths [sic] that there was an altercation in AC bar . Some one said something, i guess in the broader sense that was in public ...

Perfect example of a crap argument. Wants a rumour accounted for, while muddlement reigns;

Was the rumour or the altercation just hours after the deaths?

Edited February 26, 2016 by Moonsterk

[Moonsterk]

JLCrab, on 26 Feb 2016 - 02:11, said:

So on 9 JULY 2015 he wrote and said on video that his translation had been scared off by mafia types and on July 10 he was able to submit his own Twitter dispatches from the courtroom so he apparently found another translator.

I have no idea whether he found another translator or not but that does not alter the fact that one of his translators was warned off.

I have no doubt that 9 July he said one of his translators was warned off but he was able to post on Twitter the next day with his own dispatches. I have already posted 2 of his 10 JULY Twitter dispatches.

As to your other post two people have died with no indication they were knocked off and there is no indication that they had anything to do with the crime other than your quoting your alleged source as to that they allegedly know.

Even if she was warned off, OK for the sake of argument I'll accept it, but then so what? What's it prove? Who warned her off, do we know, does he know, does she know? Does anyone know it's even true? Maybe her kid was sick.....

JLCrab points out the reporter was able to find a new translator that day, so it wasn't really a death defying act to translate.

And example # ( losing count) of relying on what others extrapolate from rumours and then present as facts. I'll call it Argument by Regurgitative Process. ( ARP) and it is the single most used method on this and the Luke Miller death thread to put forth a conspiracy theory.

[boomerangutang]

<snip> I can almost hear Crab saying "how could mafia-types knock off Sean when he's far away in Italy, ha ha ha." Believe it or not, Crab, millionaire mafia-types can have a long reach.

<snip2>

Yes -- even to Chiang Rai if they really cared which they seem to not. So far nobody connected to the crime has been knocked off but, if the B2 were sitting on anything which would decisively work against the mafia-types interests, they most likely would be tops on the knock-off list.

How can you be so sure '...nobody connected to the crime has been knocked off..." ? There have been at least 3 mysterious deaths of backpackers at the island, since the double murder. All 3 were western European, and two were young Brits. We don't know whether they were killed or died from other causes. One was at Mon's g.h, and the other Brit was at a pool nearby. All three died with no witnesses. If there had been witnesses, would they have died also? If the girl was feeling so bad, why didn't she go and seek help, instead of just dying alone in her AC g.h. room? These are things that European experts should have been dispatched to investigate. But wait a cottonpickenminute, I just remembered. Thai authorities never want any pesky Europeans sniffing around any murders of Europeans in Thailand. Why would any European forensic experts ever want to investigate? They all "......know Thai investigators do perfect jobs" .....That's what the Thai PM and Thai police chief assert, so it must be true.

[seedy]

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[fab99]

How can you be so sure '...nobody connected to the crime has been knocked off..." ? There have been at least 3 mysterious deaths of backpackers at the island, since the double murder. All 3 were western European, and two were young Brits. We don't know whether they were killed or died from other causes. One was at Mon's g.h, and the other Brit was at a pool nearby. All three died with no witnesses. If there had been witnesses, would they have died also? If the girl was feeling so bad, why didn't she go and seek help, instead of just dying alone in her AC g.h. room? These are things that European experts should have been dispatched to investigate. But wait a cottonpickenminute, I just remembered. Thai authorities never want any pesky Europeans sniffing around any murders of Europeans in Thailand. Why would any European forensic experts ever want to investigate? They all "......know Thai investigators do perfect jobs" .....That's what the Thai PM and Thai police chief assert, so it must be true.

Yes, they are using the same books as Scotland Yard investigators as I recall...

If these books are in English, I can understand the deviations from investigation standards...

[greenchair]

jayjay78, on 25 Feb 2016 - 15:07, said:

bannork, on 25 Feb 2016 - 14:17, said:

.. so how do you account for the rumour just hours after the deaths that there was an altercation in AC bar- excellent Chetzee, who was the quarrel between?

Police new but failed to check:

The defence asked the colonel about a rumour that a third man pictured in CCTV on a motorbike with the two accused was a man called Muang Muang.

The man is rumoured to have had a row with the Headmans son in a bar earlier that night, and Mr Miller was said to have intervened.

Colonel Chiewpreecha answered: I have heard the rumour and I believe the Koh Tao police followed it up.

But he added that as it was a rumour, it had not been investigated further, and the police had lost contact with the third man.

They also failed to check the alleged speedboat leaving at dawn

When Colonel Chiewpreecha was asked about a small boat that was seen leaving the island before dawn, about the time the bodies were discovered, he admitted he knew nothing about it and there had been no investigation.

Now that's interesting because it states the argument was between Nomsod (who was not on the island that night, right?) and Maung Maung, the 3rd Burmese who was arrested with Wei Phyo and Zaw Lin. Yet Maung Maung (the 3rd Burmese) was working at the AC2 bar that night and Maung Maung (the Burmese DJ) was working at the AC bar.

Rumour is that Muang Muang the dj is the one having the argument. He left the island immediately on the morning of the murders. Since it is a rumour, it is certainly possible, that the argument was between Muang Muang and david. The rumour was that someone was getting fresh with hannah and david stepped in. Although the rumour has 3 branches.

1.Muang Muang dj had an argument and david stepped in to help.

2.mon or nomsod were getting fresh with hannah and david stepped in.

3.Muang Muang motorbike had argument with nomsod /mon and david stepped in.

4.Muang Muang dj got fresh with hannah and david stepped in.

Try taking that to court lol.

I don't know why the noids think this in the b2 favour, once again, if even 1 of them is true, it shows a connection between the burmese and david.

Just like the noids think pornthip got a point because she showed an unknown man, but totally ignore that she found a 25 % match to Wei Phyo.

It all comes down to perspective I guess.

[fab99]

Even if she was warned off, OK for the sake of argument I'll accept it, but then so what? What's it prove? Who warned her off, do we know, does he know, does she know? Does anyone know it's even true? Maybe her kid was sick.....

JLCrab points out the reporter was able to find a new translator that day, so it wasn't really a death defying act to translate.

And example # ( losing count) of relying on what others extrapolate from rumours and then present as facts. I'll call it Argument by Regurgitative Process. ( ARP) and it is the single most used method on this and the Luke Miller death thread to put forth a conspiracy theory.

This single event doesn't prove anything, you can raise concerns about any single fact, BUT seen as a whole, the sum of discrepencies and manipulation is quite telling.

There have been multiple reports (you might qualitfy them as hearsay if you want) of threats and manipulations of the truth (may I remind that even the RTP tried to pay a taxi driver to testify as a false witness and beat him when he refused?).

If you see this particular event as irrelevant, let's discuss Hannah's sister threats, nobody reacted to what was written before about it, trying to sweep it under the carpet I guess.

Some tried to say she is a liar and has an alternate motive or even that she received threats from the conspiracy theorist (how similar to what you say about this translator event), but usually the simplest answer is the right one : she received threats and what she cares about the most is that her sister receives the justice she deserves... and she very obviously hasn't so far, that is why we don't want this case to be forgotten.

Edited February 26, 2016 by fab99

[IslandLover]

greenchair, on 26 Feb 2016 - 04:29, said:

IslandLover, on 26 Feb 2016 - 02:41, said:

Now that's interesting because it states the argument was between Nomsod (who was not on the island that night, right?) and Maung Maung, the 3rd Burmese who was arrested with Wei Phyo and Zaw Lin. Yet Maung Maung (the 3rd Burmese) was working at the AC2 bar that night and Maung Maung (the Burmese DJ) was working at the AC bar.

Rumour is that Muang Muang the dj is the one having the argument. He left the island immediately on the morning of the murders. Since it is a rumour, it is certainly possible, that the argument was between Muang Muang and david. The rumour was that someone was getting fresh with hannah and david stepped in. Although the rumour has 3 branches.

1.Muang Muang dj had an argument and david stepped in to help.

2.mon or nomsod were getting fresh with hannah and david stepped in.

3.Muang Muang motorbike had argument with nomsod /mon and david stepped in.

4.Muang Muang dj got fresh with hannah and david stepped in.

Try taking that to court lol.

I don't know why the noids think this in the b2 favour, once again, if even 1 of them is true, it shows a connection between the burmese and david.

Just like the noids think pornthip got a point because she showed an unknown man, but totally ignore that she found a 25 % match to Wei Phyo.

It all comes down to perspective I guess.

Could somebody versed in the science of DNA please explain to greenchair what a 25 percent DNA match actually means?

[stephenterry]

snip

Just like the noids think pornthip got a point because she showed an unknown man, but totally ignore that she found a 25 % match to Wei Phyo.

It all comes down to perspective I guess.

If the DNA sample taken by Ms Pormthip from the hoe was that of Wei Phyo, it would be a 100% match. And as humans share 50% of DNA with a banana, any more talk of a '25% match' is totally superfluous and irrelevant.

I really don't know why this is repeated time and time again - it's a nonsense statistic, especially as any man off the street would have a similar match (if not involved).

[Moonsterk]

Even if she was warned off, OK for the sake of argument I'll accept it, but then so what? What's it prove? Who warned her off, do we know, does he know, does she know? Does anyone know it's even true? Maybe her kid was sick.....

JLCrab points out the reporter was able to find a new translator that day, so it wasn't really a death defying act to translate.

And example # ( losing count) of relying on what others extrapolate from rumours and then present as facts. I'll call it Argument by Regurgitative Process. ( ARP) and it is the single most used method on this and the Luke Miller death thread to put forth a conspiracy theory.

This single event doesn't prove anything, you can raise concerns about any single fact, BUT seen as a whole, the sum of discrepencies and manipulation is quite telling.

There have been multiple reports (you might qualitfy them as hearsay if you want) of threats and manipulations of the truth (may I remind that even the RTP tried to pay a taxi driver to testify as a false witness and beat him when he refused?).

If you see this particular event as irrelevant, let's discuss Hannah's sister threats, nobody reacted to what was written before about it, trying to sweep it under the carpet I guess.

Some tried to say she is a liar and has an alternate motive or even that she received threats from the conspiracy theorist (how similar to what you say about this translator event), but usually the simplest answer is the right one : she received threats and what she cares about the most is that her sister receives the justice she deserves... and she very obviously hasn't so far, that is why we don't want this case to be forgotten.

This was about the translator, not Laura, but I'll agree with you, Laura was afraid, and rightfully so.

I think a lot of Thais, not just Koh Tao biggies, might make threats to anyone who makes international news dissing Thailand.

Here's my outrageous theory # 1 , based on " rumours"

I think there was a gang-bang planned, and one of the B-2 was involved in that. He may have even sauntered off after his turn so wasn't around for the bludgeoning. Maybe went to get his pals. The event started elsewhere, in a nearby room, and for reasons we can only guess at, moved onto the beach ( CAVEAT this following is a ARP in progress...) Someone shot Witheridge, maybe accidentally, with a registered gun, a bullet from which would have been traceable, just under the right side of her jaw ( look at the pics, clearly a gunshot wound visible,) and the bullet needed to be dug out, hence the " cover-up" of the bludgeoning.

So, Zaw ( or Win? I get them mixed up) was involved, and deserves his sentence of rape. Of course if you are involved in a crime that results in death, you get charged for that, too.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Moonsterk

[jayjay78]

Even if she was warned off, OK for the sake of argument I'll accept it, but then so what? What's it prove? Who warned her off, do we know, does he know, does she know? Does anyone know it's even true? Maybe her kid was sick.....

JLCrab points out the reporter was able to find a new translator that day, so it wasn't really a death defying act to translate.

And example # ( losing count) of relying on what others extrapolate from rumours and then present as facts. I'll call it Argument by Regurgitative Process. ( ARP) and it is the single most used method on this and the Luke Miller death thread to put forth a conspiracy theory.

Maybe her kid was sick......

Perhaps a virus at school then, must have been a few kids off that day.

Jonathan Samuels ✔‎@jonathansamuels

Our Thai translator at backpacker murder trial says she's been 'warned off' by 'the Mafia'. Elements here clearly fear a fair trial.#kohtao

9:33 AM - 9 Jul 2015

Jerome Taylor ✔‎@JeromeTaylor

A contact of mine on Samui tells me no translators are willing to cover #KohTao trial. All have been scared off

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Andy Hall ‎@Atomicalandy

Many journalists contacted me today looking 4 translators to cover Koh Tao trial 2mrw as no one willing to do so. Any ideas let me know...

8:17 PM - 21 Jul 2015

[DM07]

greenchair, on 26 Feb 2016 - 04:29, said:

IslandLover, on 26 Feb 2016 - 02:41, said:

Now that's interesting because it states the argument was between Nomsod (who was not on the island that night, right?) and Maung Maung, the 3rd Burmese who was arrested with Wei Phyo and Zaw Lin. Yet Maung Maung (the 3rd Burmese) was working at the AC2 bar that night and Maung Maung (the Burmese DJ) was working at the AC bar.

Rumour is that Muang Muang the dj is the one having the argument. He left the island immediately on the morning of the murders. Since it is a rumour, it is certainly possible, that the argument was between Muang Muang and david. The rumour was that someone was getting fresh with hannah and david stepped in. Although the rumour has 3 branches.

1.Muang Muang dj had an argument and david stepped in to help.

2.mon or nomsod were getting fresh with hannah and david stepped in.

3.Muang Muang motorbike had argument with nomsod /mon and david stepped in.

4.Muang Muang dj got fresh with hannah and david stepped in.

Try taking that to court lol.

I don't know why the noids think this in the b2 favour, once again, if even 1 of them is true, it shows a connection between the burmese and david.

Just like the noids think pornthip got a point because she showed an unknown man, but totally ignore that she found a 25 % match to Wei Phyo.

It all comes down to perspective I guess.

Could somebody versed in the science of DNA please explain to greenchair what a 25 percent DNA match actually means?

Again?

[smedly]

snip

Just like the noids think pornthip got a point because she showed an unknown man, but totally ignore that she found a 25 % match to Wei Phyo.

It all comes down to perspective I guess.

If the DNA sample taken by Ms Pormthip from the hoe was that of Wei Phyo, it would be a 100% match. And as humans share 50% of DNA with a banana, any more talk of a '25% match' is totally superfluous and irrelevant.

I really don't know why this is repeated time and time again - it's a nonsense statistic, especially as any man off the street would have a similar match (if not involved).

some maybe 80% lol

[DiscoDan]

Clearly Thai thugs committed the crimes. That the court decided otherwise is protecting them. And as the appeal judges are based in Surat thani they will continue to support their fellow samui judges. Probably the only court that could be independent is Chiang Mai

Clearly they are Burmese that committed the crime and are in jail, if it is the court is protecting them how comes all the truthers are now attacking the defense team & Andy Hall ?

Robert Holmes said at the end of the trial the defense did not do enough to discredit the dna evidence, and if found guilty this would be why,

But if it is so clear that Thais committed the crime maybe you would like to share the evidence you have ?

Its never long before we have to wait for one of your posts bringing up the defense is it.

Well just to keep you up to date, people, even adults sometimes disagree, why hell there can even be differences of opinion between experts in the same subject matter. The difference between mature intelligent adults and juvenile undeveloped humans is that they can usually overcome their difficulties and continue to work together with an outcome that can be even more positive.

Robert Holmes & Ian Yarwood had some disagreements with Andy and the Thai defense lawyers although both concede that it was always the Thai defense lawyers call and Andy never had a say in their decisions, even though Andy wanted Jane called it was the Thai lawyers who disagreed with that.

Just to ram the point home to you. Here is a photo of Robert Holmes and the defense team along with Andy Hall working together with Andy doing the translations into Thai for the lawyers. This was on the 5th Feb

And on the 8th Feb Ian Yarwood said this "everyone now seems to be in agreement and communication has improved"

Looks like a team in action for the appeal.

You can if you wish bookmark this post before you blurb out more misinformation about the defense team at each others throats.

As a back up I'll also bookmark it so I can give you the link if you runaway with yourself again.

Robert Holmes isn't the one who has been attacking AH, its certain activists who used to be close to AH along with Ian Yarwood who even questioned AH's university degree, with the help of these activists Ian Yarwood's open letter was spread all over the internet, against the wishes of some who thought it might damage the B2 chance of a retrial.

Making AH lose face was more important than trying to get freedom for the B2 for a certain activist, which just goes to show how egotistical and self serving some of these people are.

The cat is out the bag and the faults of AH and defense team have been spread all over social media and a photo of RH & AH isn't going to change that.

[stephenterry]

Clearly Thai thugs committed the crimes. That the court decided otherwise is protecting them. And as the appeal judges are based in Surat thani they will continue to support their fellow samui judges. Probably the only court that could be independent is Chiang Mai

Yeah right, the court has it in the two Burmese and, that's why they granted them an appeal extension twice.

Probably because it doesn't raise any media issues that a refusal could bring. No harm in reviewing the appeal when it's finalised - it won't change their support, IMO. I hope I'm wrong, but I've lived long enough in Thailand to grasp where Thai loyalties lie.

[jayjay78]

Clearly Thai thugs committed the crimes. That the court decided otherwise is protecting them. And as the appeal judges are based in Surat thani they will continue to support their fellow samui judges. Probably the only court that could be independent is Chiang Mai

Clearly they are Burmese that committed the crime and are in jail, if it is the court is protecting them how comes all the truthers are now attacking the defense team & Andy Hall ?

Robert Holmes said at the end of the trial the defense did not do enough to discredit the dna evidence, and if found guilty this would be why,

But if it is so clear that Thais committed the crime maybe you would like to share the evidence you have ?

Its never long before we have to wait for one of your posts bringing up the defense is it.

Well just to keep you up to date, people, even adults sometimes disagree, why hell there can even be differences of opinion between experts in the same subject matter. The difference between mature intelligent adults and juvenile undeveloped humans is that they can usually overcome their difficulties and continue to work together with an outcome that can be even more positive.

Robert Holmes & Ian Yarwood had some disagreements with Andy and the Thai defense lawyers although both concede that it was always the Thai defense lawyers call and Andy never had a say in their decisions, even though Andy wanted Jane called it was the Thai lawyers who disagreed with that.

Just to ram the point home to you. Here is a photo of Robert Holmes and the defense team along with Andy Hall working together with Andy doing the translations into Thai for the lawyers. This was on the 5th Feb

And on the 8th Feb Ian Yarwood said this "everyone now seems to be in agreement and communication has improved"

Looks like a team in action for the appeal.

You can if you wish bookmark this post before you blurb out more misinformation about the defense team at each others throats.

As a back up I'll also bookmark it so I can give you the link if you runaway with yourself again.

Robert Holmes isn't the one who has been attacking AH, its certain activists who used to be close to AH along with Ian Yarwood who even questioned AH's university degree, with the help of these activists Ian Yarwood's open letter was spread all over the internet, against the wishes of some who thought it might damage the B2 chance of a retrial.

Making AH lose face was more important than trying to get freedom for the B2 for a certain activist, which just goes to show how egotistical and self serving some of these people are.

The cat is out the bag and the faults of AH and defense team have been spread all over social media and a photo of RH & AH isn't going to change that.

Yes i do make exceptions for people with your view point as stated in my post. Those that cannot grasp change cannot grasp reality.

"The difference between mature intelligent adults and juvenile undeveloped humans is that they can usually overcome their difficulties and continue to work together with an outcome that can be even more positive."

Edited February 26, 2016 by jayjay78

[DiscoDan]

Even if she was warned off, OK for the sake of argument I'll accept it, but then so what? What's it prove? Who warned her off, do we know, does he know, does she know? Does anyone know it's even true? Maybe her kid was sick.....

JLCrab points out the reporter was able to find a new translator that day, so it wasn't really a death defying act to translate.

And example # ( losing count) of relying on what others extrapolate from rumours and then present as facts. I'll call it Argument by Regurgitative Process. ( ARP) and it is the single most used method on this and the Luke Miller death thread to put forth a conspiracy theory.

Maybe her kid was sick......

Perhaps a virus at school then, must have been a few kids off that day.

Jonathan Samuels ✔‎@jonathansamuels

Our Thai translator at backpacker murder trial says she's been 'warned off' by 'the Mafia'. Elements here clearly fear a fair trial.#kohtao

9:33 AM - 9 Jul 2015

Jerome Taylor ✔‎@JeromeTaylor

A contact of mine on Samui tells me no translators are willing to cover #KohTao trial. All have been scared off

6:49 PM - 21 Jul 2015

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Andy Hall ‎@Atomicalandy

Many journalists contacted me today looking 4 translators to cover Koh Tao trial 2mrw as no one willing to do so. Any ideas let me know...

8:17 PM - 21 Jul 2015

Anyone want to post a list of translators available on Samui ?

Lucky for activists there friend Sarah Yeun was not threatened and seems she had no trouble sourcing a translator while reporting,

You would of thought she would of been more of a target, If we want to talk conspiracies, maybe she got someone to make the mafia threat, she lives in Samui so would of been possible to pay someone to do it, even though Jonathan left the Samui Sarah Kept reporting & one of the media outlets she was reporting for was Sky news (Jonathan's job) so this could have been a form of media control by activists and there cohorts, making sure only there version of events in the courthouse was released to the media.

And still zero evidence of this Mafia man no photo, no description, no details of car bike he was driving,

[jayjay78]

Even if she was warned off, OK for the sake of argument I'll accept it, but then so what? What's it prove? Who warned her off, do we know, does he know, does she know? Does anyone know it's even true? Maybe her kid was sick.....

JLCrab points out the reporter was able to find a new translator that day, so it wasn't really a death defying act to translate.

And example # ( losing count) of relying on what others extrapolate from rumours and then present as facts. I'll call it Argument by Regurgitative Process. ( ARP) and it is the single most used method on this and the Luke Miller death thread to put forth a conspiracy theory.

Maybe her kid was sick......

Perhaps a virus at school then, must have been a few kids off that day.

Jonathan Samuels ✔‎@jonathansamuels

Our Thai translator at backpacker murder trial says she's been 'warned off' by 'the Mafia'. Elements here clearly fear a fair trial.#kohtao

9:33 AM - 9 Jul 2015

Jerome Taylor ✔‎@JeromeTaylor

A contact of mine on Samui tells me no translators are willing to cover #KohTao trial. All have been scared off

6:49 PM - 21 Jul 2015

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Andy Hall ‎@Atomicalandy

Many journalists contacted me today looking 4 translators to cover Koh Tao trial 2mrw as no one willing to do so. Any ideas let me know...

8:17 PM - 21 Jul 2015

Anyone want to post a list of translators available on Samui ?

Lucky for activists there friend Sarah Yeun was not threatened and seems she had no trouble sourcing a translator while reporting,

You would of thought she would of been more of a target, If we want to talk conspiracies, maybe she got someone to make the mafia threat, she lives in Samui so would of been possible to pay someone to do it, even though Jonathan left the Samui Sarah Kept reporting & one of the media outlets she was reporting for was Sky news (Jonathan's job) so this could have been a form of media control by activists and there cohorts, making sure only there version of events in the courthouse was released to the media.

And still zero evidence of this Mafia man no photo, no description, no details of car bike he was driving,

Seems the only people talking conspiracies is you and moonsterk, I'm just posting what was said by 3 separate people one of which also reported it on Sky News

[smedly]

Maybe her kid was sick......

Perhaps a virus at school then, must have been a few kids off that day.

Jonathan Samuels ✔‎@jonathansamuels

Our Thai translator at backpacker murder trial says she's been 'warned off' by 'the Mafia'. Elements here clearly fear a fair trial.#kohtao

9:33 AM - 9 Jul 2015

Jerome Taylor ✔‎@JeromeTaylor

A contact of mine on Samui tells me no translators are willing to cover #KohTao trial. All have been scared off

6:49 PM - 21 Jul 2015

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Andy Hall ‎@Atomicalandy

Many journalists contacted me today looking 4 translators to cover Koh Tao trial 2mrw as no one willing to do so. Any ideas let me know...

8:17 PM - 21 Jul 2015

Anyone want to post a list of translators available on Samui ?

Lucky for activists there friend Sarah Yeun was not threatened and seems she had no trouble sourcing a translator while reporting,

You would of thought she would of been more of a target, If we want to talk conspiracies, maybe she got someone to make the mafia threat, she lives in Samui so would of been possible to pay someone to do it, even though Jonathan left the Samui Sarah Kept reporting & one of the media outlets she was reporting for was Sky news (Jonathan's job) so this could have been a form of media control by activists and there cohorts, making sure only there version of events in the courthouse was released to the media.

And still zero evidence of this Mafia man no photo, no description, no details of car bike he was driving,

so you don't believe, thanks for sharing now we can move on

[DiscoDan]

Interesting article about blink hacker group they have been monitored for the last 3 years and this report has been released.

Its just another example of the darker side of the B2 defenders

http://unleashed.blinkhackergroup.org/

[smedly]

Interesting article about blink hacker group they have been monitored for the last 3 years and this report has been released.

Its just another example of the darker side of the B2 defenders

http://unleashed.blinkhackergroup.org/

never heard of that website until you posted it, are you somehow trying to say that TVF members are affiliated, if so I take serious offence to that

[StealthEnergiser]

Interesting article about blink hacker group they have been monitored for the last 3 years and this report has been released.

Its just another example of the darker side of the B2 defenders

http://unleashed.blinkhackergroup.org/

The point you are trying to make is ?

[greenchair]

Interesting article about blink hacker group they have been monitored for the last 3 years and this report has been released.

Its just another example of the darker side of the B2 defenders

http://unleashed.blinkhackergroup.org/

What does this have to do with the price of fish? ???

The mind boggles.

[StealthEnergiser]

Interesting article about blink hacker group they have been monitored for the last 3 years and this report has been released.

Its just another example of the darker side of the B2 defenders

http://unleashed.blinkhackergroup.org/

What does this have to do with the price of fish? ???

The mind boggles.

interesting fighting amongst each other.

[catsanddogs]

@catsanddogs - just one small mistake in your otherwise excellent post. Fat guy and Asian woman were seen in close proximity to the running man at 4:51 and 5:46. It's important we get our facts right on this forum

Yes,apols.

[StealthEnergiser]

Interesting article about blink hacker group they have been monitored for the last 3 years and this report has been released.

Its just another example of the darker side of the B2 defenders

http://unleashed.blinkhackergroup.org/

The point you are trying to make is ?

It's all wound up together, BHG, the Samui Gaggle, the forum Truther's, We Are Anonymous propaganda videos, that in classic misinformation technique- put up BS ( Luke Miller, Annesley, Dimitri Povse being made out as " mysterious murders" ) with the real murder, Witheridge and David Miller, all in a effort to establish a theory as fact, a theory that really hasn't got a lot of evidence going for it.

please read post 820

[Moonsterk]

rumour, report, mutterings, call it what you like, but when someone reports that a murder victim had an altercation with someone in the last place they were see alive then that is something the police would follow up thoroughly, cctv would be obtained and people interviewed, in actual fact even without the report of an altercation the AC bar should still have been thoroughly investigated and cctv footage seized, Mon should never have been allowed to withhold what would normally be regarded as crucial evidence in a murder inquiry, all bars and entertainment venues were by law forced to install cctv, Mon had no right to deny access - just another crooked twist in this so called murder investigation that they say they carried out

Agree, and a very good post, one of the few I've seen from the " Cover-up" camp.

[balo]

I wish posters would give up trying to link the 3 deaths of the Frenchman, the young woman and Luke Miller to the deaths of Hannah and David.

The Frenchman left a suicide note in French which the family were satisfied with, presumably they recognized his style of writing as well as his handwriting. Or was it written by the mafia who are all fluent in French no doubt?

The woman, Christine, was taking far too many drugs for her own good, all tragically documented on her facebook page prior to her death.

Luke Miller, high risk antics again, yolo! Sometimes it seems to me folks in the West, especially in the UK with its nanny state, seem to have forgotten life is fragile, sometimes there is no safety net if you do something stupid.

I agree, yes it can be dangerous on an island like KT , but to link everything to a murder is just pure speculation and is not helping this case .

Edited February 26, 2016 by balo

[fab99]

None of us can be sure who did it, what most of us agree on though is that this case didn't receive the investigation it deserved, many elements were ignored or even lost, many threats were made, just to make sure we don't deviate from just one unbelieviable scenario.

If you can't see that this case stinks, then we can't do anything else that just rub it in your nose, mybe the smell will go through whatever prevents it to..

The victims of this attocious crime deserve justice, and right now they aren't geting it.