British Muslim girls forced to marriage via Skype to men wishing UK entry

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British Muslim Girls Forced to Marriage via Skype to Men Wishing UK Entry

Skype helps minor Muslim girls to get married online and…break UK law

LONDON: -- Many Muslim girls living in the United Kingdom have been marrying via Skype to foreigners hoping to get a spousal visa to England.

Despite the British ban on forced marriage, Muslim girls up to 11 years old are participating in marriage ceremonies held by imams before "being put on a plane and consummating the marriage at the earliest opportunity," according to the charity Freedom.

After the Skype marriage, the husband abroad waits for the girl to visit to get pregnant to make for easier access to England.

Full story: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160229/1035505004/uk-muslim-girls-forced-marriage-skype.html#ixzz41W9Jdr8

-- SPUTNIK 2016-02-29

[steve187]

10th century people in a 21st century world

[simple1]

10th century people in a 21st century world

Actually 7th century. However from the report...

"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds. No religion accepts forced marriage but some parents are using it as a method of control," she added.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160229/1035505004/uk-muslim-girls-forced-marriage-skype.html#ixzz41WJ7Q8hO

How would a foreigner be able to obtain a visa based on underage marriage / child pregnancy with a UK citizen?

[SgtRock]

simple1, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:33, said:

steve187, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:08, said:

10th century people in a 21st century world

Actually 7th century. However from the report...

"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds. No religion accepts forced marriage but some parents are using it as a method of control," she added.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160229/1035505004/uk-muslim-girls-forced-marriage-skype.html#ixzz41WJ7Q8hO

How would a foreigner be able to obtain a visa based on underage marriage / child pregnancy with a UK citizen?

For the same reason that they can get benefits for multiple wives, even though polygamy is illegal in the UK.

As to the actual topic.

Bit slow there Sputnik, it has been going on for decades, the only thing that changes is the method of conduction, which routinely changes, must try and keep one step ahead of the law.

[simple1]

simple1, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:33, said:

steve187, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:08, said:

10th century people in a 21st century world

Actually 7th century. However from the report...

"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds. No religion accepts forced marriage but some parents are using it as a method of control," she added.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160229/1035505004/uk-muslim-girls-forced-marriage-skype.html#ixzz41WJ7Q8hO

How would a foreigner be able to obtain a visa based on underage marriage / child pregnancy with a UK citizen?

For the same reason that they can get benefits for multiple wives, even though polygamy is illegal in the UK.

<snip>

Cannot gain immigration clearance based upon a polygamous marriage.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05051.pdf

Again how does an overseas foreign 'husband' gain immigration clearance if married to an under-aged UK citizen or does the 'husband' have to wait to get officially married when the girl is 18 & then apply?

Edited February 29, 2016 by simple1

[sunnyjim5]

This is a nonsense report.

There is no way a visa to enter the UK would be issued to a person "married" to an underage child even if she was pregnant.

[seedy]

Troll / Flaming post removed

[shirtless]

What has our government done , I hope this is Bs but i fear its true, Family reunion scheme

[stevenl]

What has our government done , I hope this is Bs but i fear its true, Family reunion scheme

Please explain.

[swampdonkey]

This is a nonsense report.

There is no way a visa to enter the UK would be issued to a person "married" to an underage child even if she was pregnant.

I agree, Just look at the topics about all the hoops you have to jump through to get your thai wife a UK visa

there is not a chance of this story being true.

[SgtRock]

simple1, on 29 Feb 2016 - 13:38, said:

SgtRock, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:47, said:

For the same reason that they can get benefits for multiple wives, even though polygamy is illegal in the UK.

<snip>

Cannot gain immigration clearance based upon a polygamous marriage.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05051.pdf

Again how does an overseas foreign 'husband' gain immigration clearance if married to an under-aged UK citizen or does the 'husband' have to wait to get officially married when the girl is 18 & then apply?

I never said you could. Is it really beyond your comprehension to understand that polygamous marriages take place in the UK ? You really should try understanding what is written and not what you think it should read.

If you do not know how the scam works, I am not about to post details on here for all and sundry to see.

As I said above, it has been going on for decades. Only the methods change.

[robertthebruce]

Hmmmmm , a bit like "Thai Girls", and they have been doing thst for years too....

[emilymat]

Surely the original story hould refer to young girls from the age of 11 and not 'up to the age of 11'

You could hardly have a 3 year old travelling aborad to get pregnent.

[Ulic]

The parents, Imams and everyone else involved should be arrested, tried, jailed, and after

completing there sentences deported. I do not care if they have become naturalized

citizens they have never accepted UK values or laws. Disgusting.

[7by7]

One of the requirements for a UK spouse visa is that both parties are 18 or over.

So when such marriages do occur, and as the article says they are not limited to the Muslim community, the foreign spouse will have to wait until the British one is 18 before applying.

The wife being pregnant would not change that.

Just to remind people that there is a vast difference between a forced marriage and an arranged one.

[Steely Dan]

If it were Facebook messenger and not Skype all Cameron would have to do is have a word with Mark Zuckerberg to put a stop to it. Hang on.... silly me, I forgot censorship was only applied to those objecting to mass Muslim immigration and not those facilitating it.

[7by7]

So you want the government to monitor all Skype calls to ensure those making them aren't breaking the law?

Do you apply that to other means of communication as well?

The telephone?

Letters?

[i claudius]

Surely the original story hould refer to young girls from the age of 11 and not 'up to the age of 11'

You could hardly have a 3 year old travelling aborad to get pregnent.

No they have to be at least 6,just like the man they worships wife was

[Baerboxer]

One of the requirements for a UK spouse visa is that both parties are 18 or over.

So when such marriages do occur, and as the article says they are not limited to the Muslim community, the foreign spouse will have to wait until the British one is 18 before applying.

The wife being pregnant would not change that.

Just to remind people that there is a vast difference between a forced marriage and an arranged one.

Yes there is a difference and I don't know if the various human rights groups who report statistics make that differentiation.

The idea of an arranged marriage is alien to most Westerners now, although up until and including the 19th century it was still common in Europe, especially among middle / upper classes. Perhaps in the later years there was more acceptance for one of the couple to say "no" there was still a desire for families to marry to "better the family" etc.

Arranged marriages, IME, which is mainly in India, a quite different to what we imagine. It's about families introducing prospective partners who they believe will be compatible and happy in family life. Sure, many have an eye on improving their family's lot to. But the couple make the final decision and are not forced. Sikh friends in the UK married girls from India that they'd never met - but had exchanged letters, photos and spent fortunes on phone calls before deciding.

Different traditions. There was a market for arranged marriages for a fee but I think most immigration officers spot them pretty quickly.

Even if they are over 18 and marry the spouse has still to meet the requirements of the visa - language etc.

[Baerboxer]

One of the requirements for a UK spouse visa is that both parties are 18 or over.

So when such marriages do occur, and as the article says they are not limited to the Muslim community, the foreign spouse will have to wait until the British one is 18 before applying.

The wife being pregnant would not change that.

Just to remind people that there is a vast difference between a forced marriage and an arranged one.

Yes there is a difference and I don't know if the various human rights groups who report statistics make that differentiation.

The idea of an arranged marriage is alien to most Westerners now, although up until and including the 19th century it was still common in Europe, especially among middle / upper classes. Perhaps in the later years there was more acceptance for one of the couple to say "no" there was still a desire for families to marry to "better the family" etc.

Arranged marriages, IME, which is mainly in India, a quite different to what we imagine. It's about families introducing prospective partners who they believe will be compatible and happy in family life. Sure, many have an eye on improving their family's lot to. But the couple make the final decision and are not forced. Sikh friends in the UK married girls from India that they'd never met - but had exchanged letters, photos and spent fortunes on phone calls before deciding.

Different traditions. There was a market for arranged marriages for a fee but I think most immigration officers spot them pretty quickly.

Even if they are over 18 and marry the spouse has still to meet the requirements of the visa - language etc.

[Jonmarleesco]

10th century people in a 21st century world

Actually 7th century. However from the report...

"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds. No religion accepts forced marriage but some parents are using it as a method of control," she added.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160229/1035505004/uk-muslim-girls-forced-marriage-skype.html#ixzz41WJ7Q8hO

How would a foreigner be able to obtain a visa based on underage marriage / child pregnancy with a UK citizen?

I suspect a c__k-up in the article. Muslim girls up to 11 years old. Either a one too many, or it should read from.

[kinmaew]

When I had to work in the UK I had to work my ass off, pay 25% taxes in total, pay expensive rent and somehow made a living. Seems these &lt;deleted&gt; think that the rest of the world owes them.

[jacko45k]

This is a nonsense report.

There is no way a visa to enter the UK would be issued to a person "married" to an underage child even if she was pregnant.

I know some trying to take a (certainly old enough) Thai wife to the UK and complain that the qualifying income restriction prevents them.

[Steely Dan]

There's a book just been written about abuses such as child marriage in Islam. The author is a Muslim human rights expert, which should give any apologists a challenge as to how to dodge the issue.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648205/Sharia-courts-in-UK-New-book-claims-wife-beating-and-child-marriages-are-shocking-reality

Author Elham Manea, a Muslim professor and expert on human rights, described the power held in these courts as "totalitarian" and said they were more extreme than in some parts of Pakistan.

She gave an example of a British woman who was forced to marry her cousin in Pakistan, where she was raped on her wedding night.

The woman returned to the UK and pleaded with a Sharia court for an annulment, which was dismissed outright.

Edited March 1, 2016 by Steely Dan

[sunnyjim5]

There's a book just been written about abuses such as child marriage in Islam. The author is a Muslim human rights expert, which should give any apologists a challenge as to how to dodge the issue.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648205/Sharia-courts-in-UK-New-book-claims-wife-beating-and-child-marriages-are-shocking-reality

Author Elham Manea, a Muslim professor and expert on human rights, described the power held in these courts as "totalitarian" and said they were more extreme than in some parts of Pakistan.

She gave an example of a British woman who was forced to marry her cousin in Pakistan, where she was raped on her wedding night.

The woman returned to the UK and pleaded with a Sharia court for an annulment, which was dismissed outright.

These "courts" may exist but have no legal powers and non of their decisions are legally enforceable.

I have no sympathy with those who subject themselves to these kangaroo courts.

[stevenl]

There's a book just been written about abuses such as child marriage in Islam. The author is a Muslim human rights expert, which should give any apologists a challenge as to how to dodge the issue.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648205/Sharia-courts-in-UK-New-book-claims-wife-beating-and-child-marriages-are-shocking-reality

Author Elham Manea, a Muslim professor and expert on human rights, described the power held in these courts as "totalitarian" and said they were more extreme than in some parts of Pakistan.

She gave an example of a British woman who was forced to marry her cousin in Pakistan, where she was raped on her wedding night.

The woman returned to the UK and pleaded with a Sharia court for an annulment, which was dismissed outright.

So when did her cousin enter the UK based on his marriage?

[7by7]

Forced marriages are illegal in Pakistan.

The minimum legal age for marriage in Pakistan is 18 for males, 16 for females.

Forced marriage is against the teachings of Islam.

As far as I can ascertain, there is no set minimum age for marriage in the Koran or any other Islamic teaching; but I can find no set minimum age for marriage in the Bible or any other Christian teaching either. In both religions the only requirement I can find is that a girl must have started to menstruate before she can be married.

Islam teaches that Muslims must obey the laws of the country in which they live. So as the minimum age for marriage in the UK is 16 any Imam in the UK who marries someone under this age is not only breaking UK law, they are breaking Islamic law as well.

Unfortunately, forced and underage marriages do still occur, even in the UK. But, despite what certain people would have us believe, this is not a problem confined to Muslims; it occurs in many parts of the world and many faiths; as the article in the OP clearly says

"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds.............

[SgtRock]

The minimum legal age for marriage in Pakistan is 18 for males, 16 for females.

Here is what the Council of Islamic Ideology think about Pakistan's laws.

ISLAMABAD: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded its 191th meeting, here Tuesday with the ruling that the laws related to minimum age of marriage were un-Islamic and that children of any age could get married if they attain puberty.

At the conclusion of two day meeting, Chairman CII Maulana Muhammad Khan Sheerani noted that the laws related to marriage too were unfair and there cannot be any age of marriage.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1092468

Islam comes before the laws of any Country.

[Steely Dan]

There's a book just been written about abuses such as child marriage in Islam. The author is a Muslim human rights expert, which should give any apologists a challenge as to how to dodge the issue.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648205/Sharia-courts-in-UK-New-book-claims-wife-beating-and-child-marriages-are-shocking-reality

Author Elham Manea, a Muslim professor and expert on human rights, described the power held in these courts as "totalitarian" and said they were more extreme than in some parts of Pakistan.

She gave an example of a British woman who was forced to marry her cousin in Pakistan, where she was raped on her wedding night.

The woman returned to the UK and pleaded with a Sharia court for an annulment, which was dismissed outright.

These "courts" may exist but have no legal powers and non of their decisions are legally enforceable.

I have no sympathy with those who subject themselves to these kangaroo courts.

Ever heard of the concept of honor killing? This is what gives Sharia courts de facto authority. I'm waiting for our esteemed members to state honor killing is illegal and occurs in all religions, to which I reply yes, but 93% do so within Islam.

Edited March 1, 2016 by Steely Dan

[7by7]

The minimum legal age for marriage in Pakistan is 18 for males, 16 for females.

Here is what the Council of Islamic Ideology think about Pakistan's laws.

ISLAMABAD: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded its 191th meeting, here Tuesday with the ruling that the laws related to minimum age of marriage were un-Islamic and that children of any age could get married if they attain puberty.

At the conclusion of two day meeting, Chairman CII Maulana Muhammad Khan Sheerani noted that the laws related to marriage too were unfair and there cannot be any age of marriage.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1092468

Islam comes before the laws of any Country.

The council also only advises the Pakistani government and does not make rulings on Muslims living in non Islamic countries, or even other Islamic countries.

It ruled that the minimum age laws in Pakistan are unIslamic, as according to the Koran a girl is old enough for marriage when she reaches puberty.

Which was for many years the law in Christian countries as well. The legal age for marriage in the UK was only raised to 16 in 1923. In Spain it wasn't raised to 16 until 2015.

However, as far as I can find, the CII has not ruled that it is ok for Muslims to break the law; whether they live in an Islamic state or an unIslamic one.

Neither will they do so, as that would be unIslamic.

From Islam Today

The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law........

Accordingly, we conclude the following:

Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings. In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

One of the best approaches for a Muslim living in these countries is patience. As long as he agrees to live in a non-Muslim country, he is never to rebel against the inhabitants of his choice of residence, even it seems to hard for him to endure.