GERMANY BANS SAUSAGES: Pork banned in cafes and schools to 'not offend refugees'

[Scott]

Please stay on topic and stop nitpicking. A substance can't generally be banned without going through some legal process. Restaurants, schools and other facilities can decide not to serve a particular product but that doesn't make it a 'banned' product.

I haven't heard about any action by the German gov't, so any ban they are talking about would be voluntary and probably geared toward not offending Muslims and in some places probably to gain more customers if there is a strong Muslim populations. Most devout Muslims would not any meat that is not Halal.

When I went to school there was no meat served on Friday out of respect for Catholics, who were not supposed to eat meat on Fridays. There was no restriction on bringing your own lunch to school, and that could include meat.

[7by7]

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I haven't heard about any action by the German gov't, so any ban they are talking about would be voluntary and probably geared toward not offending Muslims and in some places probably to gain more customers if there is a strong Muslim populations.

Muslims and Jews.

For example, Subway have Halal only branches in various cities throughout the world just as they also have Kosher only branches; and that's not including their branches in Muslim countries or Israel.

Commercial outlets are entitled to serve the food their customers want to eat; and I hope that never changes.

Public services, schools, hospitals etc., should serve good, nutritional food at the lowest cost to the taxpayer. If this means not including certain foods to reduce waste and keep costs down, then that is their choice, as it should, and I hope always will, be.

[7by7]

Unless you (SgtRock) are following the usual tactic of people who share you prejudice; cherry pick the bits that suit, ignore the rest and hope no one notices!

The bluster in your post above proves that you are doing exactly that!

You are deliberately ignoring the statement "if any primary school wants to serve pork we will work with them to arrange it."

How is saying that schools can serve pork if they want to and, furthermore, the council will help them arrange it a ban by any definition of the word?

The facts prove that there is no ban on pork anywhere in Europe.

The facts prove that schools, colleges, hospitals whatever everywhere in Europe are able to serve pork if they so desire.

That you don't care for those facts because they prove your prejudice and hate filled assumptions to be totally false is your problem.

[jaidam]

Unless you (SgtRock) are following the usual tactic of people who share you prejudice; cherry pick the bits that suit, ignore the rest and hope no one notices!

The bluster in your post above proves that you are doing exactly that!

You are deliberately ignoring the statement "if any primary school wants to serve pork we will work with them to arrange it."

How is saying that schools can serve pork if they want to and, furthermore, the council will help them arrange it a ban by any definition of the word?

The facts prove that there is no ban on pork anywhere in Europe.

The facts prove that schools, colleges, hospitals whatever everywhere in Europe are able to serve pork if they so desire.

That you don't care for those facts because they prove your prejudice and hate filled assumptions to be totally false is your problem.

You will not want to hear this but Cadburys just banned Easter eggs in case it offends a certain religion and it's followers. No pork in schools, no Easter eggs for kids. What is the civilized world coming to? BTW telling me the kids can eat snags for dinner at home and pretend that a mars bar is an Easter egg but would of course be passive/aggressively condoning the process of destroying our wonderful culture.

[Credo]

Easter eggs have little to do with Easter and the tradition pre-dates Christianity.

I don't think the Easter bunny has much to do with religion either.

[canuckamuck]

Easter eggs have little to do with Easter and the tradition pre-dates Christianity.

I don't think the Easter bunny has much to do with religion either.

Not so, the Easter bunny is a fertility symbol, ask a Druid.

But as far as Easter eggs offending a certain religion, it should be the Christians who are offended, but the Muslims and Jews also have an angle there.

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[stevenl]

Unless you (SgtRock) are following the usual tactic of people who share you prejudice; cherry pick the bits that suit, ignore the rest and hope no one notices!

The bluster in your post above proves that you are doing exactly that!

You are deliberately ignoring the statement "if any primary school wants to serve pork we will work with them to arrange it."

How is saying that schools can serve pork if they want to and, furthermore, the council will help them arrange it a ban by any definition of the word?

The facts prove that there is no ban on pork anywhere in Europe.

The facts prove that schools, colleges, hospitals whatever everywhere in Europe are able to serve pork if they so desire.

That you don't care for those facts because they prove your prejudice and hate filled assumptions to be totally false is your problem.

You will not want to hear this but Cadburys just banned Easter eggs in case it offends a certain religion and it's followers. No pork in schools, no Easter eggs for kids. What is the civilized world coming to? BTW telling me the kids can eat snags for dinner at home and pretend that a mars bar is an Easter egg but would of course be passive/aggressively condoning the process of destroying our wonderful culture.

Cadbury can not ban Easter eggs, but they could decide to stop selling, presumibly for commercial reasons.

However in many places there are cadbury egg hunts, so your claim seems to be false.

[SoiBiker]

http://www.snopes.com/cadbury-banned-easter/

[lostboy]

Unless you (SgtRock) are following the usual tactic of people who share you prejudice; cherry pick the bits that suit, ignore the rest and hope no one notices!

The bluster in your post above proves that you are doing exactly that!

You are deliberately ignoring the statement "if any primary school wants to serve pork we will work with them to arrange it."

How is saying that schools can serve pork if they want to and, furthermore, the council will help them arrange it a ban by any definition of the word?

The facts prove that there is no ban on pork anywhere in Europe.

The facts prove that schools, colleges, hospitals whatever everywhere in Europe are able to serve pork if they so desire.

That you don't care for those facts because they prove your prejudice and hate filled assumptions to be totally false is your problem.

You will not want to hear this but Cadburys just banned Easter eggs in case it offends a certain religion and it's followers. No pork in schools, no Easter eggs for kids. What is the civilized world coming to? BTW telling me the kids can eat snags for dinner at home and pretend that a mars bar is an Easter egg but would of course be passive/aggressively condoning the process of destroying our wonderful culture.

Cadbury has entirely no authority to ban anything. They may choose to suspend a product line if they want but it has no wider meaning. Since the sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly, you have zero basis for your facile claim of cultural destruction. Investing meaning and worth in such cultural 'icons' as chocolate and ground meat wrapped in intestines is shallow and immature.

[jaidam]

Unless you (SgtRock) are following the usual tactic of people who share you prejudice; cherry pick the bits that suit, ignore the rest and hope no one notices!

The bluster in your post above proves that you are doing exactly that!

You are deliberately ignoring the statement "if any primary school wants to serve pork we will work with them to arrange it."

How is saying that schools can serve pork if they want to and, furthermore, the council will help them arrange it a ban by any definition of the word?

The facts prove that there is no ban on pork anywhere in Europe.

The facts prove that schools, colleges, hospitals whatever everywhere in Europe are able to serve pork if they so desire.

That you don't care for those facts because they prove your prejudice and hate filled assumptions to be totally false is your problem.

You will not want to hear this but Cadburys just banned Easter eggs in case it offends a certain religion and it's followers. No pork in schools, no Easter eggs for kids. What is the civilized world coming to? BTW telling me the kids can eat snags for dinner at home and pretend that a mars bar is an Easter egg but would of course be passive/aggressively condoning the process of destroying our wonderful culture.

Cadbury has entirely no authority to ban anything. They may choose to suspend a product line if they want but it has no wider meaning. Since the sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly, you have zero basis for your facile claim of cultural destruction. Investing meaning and worth in such cultural 'icons' as chocolate and ground meat wrapped in intestines is shallow and immature.

How on earth do you conclude the "sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly"?

We have come to a partial agreement, in that we all agree there are no pork products being served in German state schools and cafeterias. The disagreement is one camp claims this has to do with an infamously intolerant religion, and the other camp claims it is for economic or potential wastage reasons. Getting ever more het up and screechy about the missing pork in Germany situation doesn't mean you debunked anything.

Cadburys probably did the right thing. If I was the boss there and was getting threats to behead me from above the law neanderthals I would probably rename a product too. Sad to say that but the playing field is not level these days.

[stevenl]

The bluster in your post above proves that you are doing exactly that!

You are deliberately ignoring the statement "if any primary school wants to serve pork we will work with them to arrange it."

How is saying that schools can serve pork if they want to and, furthermore, the council will help them arrange it a ban by any definition of the word?

The facts prove that there is no ban on pork anywhere in Europe.

The facts prove that schools, colleges, hospitals whatever everywhere in Europe are able to serve pork if they so desire.

That you don't care for those facts because they prove your prejudice and hate filled assumptions to be totally false is your problem.

You will not want to hear this but Cadburys just banned Easter eggs in case it offends a certain religion and it's followers. No pork in schools, no Easter eggs for kids. What is the civilized world coming to? BTW telling me the kids can eat snags for dinner at home and pretend that a mars bar is an Easter egg but would of course be passive/aggressively condoning the process of destroying our wonderful culture.

Cadbury has entirely no authority to ban anything. They may choose to suspend a product line if they want but it has no wider meaning. Since the sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly, you have zero basis for your facile claim of cultural destruction. Investing meaning and worth in such cultural 'icons' as chocolate and ground meat wrapped in intestines is shallow and immature.

How on earth do you conclude the "sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly"?

We have come to a partial agreement, in that we all agree there are no pork products being served in German state schools and cafeterias. The disagreement is one camp claims this has to do with an infamously intolerant religion, and the other camp claims it is for economic or potential wastage reasons. Getting ever more het up and screechy about the missing pork in Germany situation doesn't mean you debunked anything.

Cadburys probably did the right thing. If I was the boss there and was getting threats to behead me from above the law neanderthals I would probably rename a product too. Sad to say that but the playing field is not level these days.

"we all agree there are no pork products being served in German state schools and cafeterias"

No.

"Getting ever more het up and screechy about the missing pork in Germany situation doesn't mean you debunked anything."

Pork ban has been debinked.

" Cadburys probably did the right thing. If I was the boss there and was getting threats to behead me from above the law neanderthals I would probably rename a product too. Sad to say that but the playing field is not level these days."

What threats? Many products from Cadbury with 'easter' in the name. Also the 'Cadbury bans easter' myth has been debunked already.

[SoiBiker]

http://www.snopes.com/germany-bans-pork-under-sharia-law/

[i claudius]

I am sure pork is not banned ,but it is not served because muslims will not eat it , so they put halal on the menu ,that way muslims will eat halal and those in charge reckon so will we as we dont care , and so the takeover begins , because we do not fight it , and the west dies with a whimper ,not a bang .

[DM07]

I am sure pork is not banned ,but it is not served because muslims will not eat it , so they put halal on the menu ,that way muslims will eat halal and those in charge reckon so will we as we dont care , and so the takeover begins , because we do not fight it , and the west dies with a whimper ,not a bang .

Let me explain it veeeeeeeeery slowly for you:

you are the manager of the only restaurant in a small town.

Of the 250 citizens, who potentially might eat at your restaurant, 175 are Muslim, 50 are Christians or Atheists and 25 are vegetarian.

How would your menu look?

a) pork sausage, pork schnitzel, pork chops and pork with mashed- pork?

or

b )vegetarian pasta, halal steak and chicken breast?

Is a ban on sausage or just a good business idea?

Should the 50 Christians/ Atheists fight back?

And would you give two hot sh1ts, if you serve 225 out of 250 citizens every evening?

Can we now put this BS thread to rest?

[lostboy]

You will not want to hear this but Cadburys just banned Easter eggs in case it offends a certain religion and it's followers. No pork in schools, no Easter eggs for kids. What is the civilized world coming to? BTW telling me the kids can eat snags for dinner at home and pretend that a mars bar is an Easter egg but would of course be passive/aggressively condoning the process of destroying our wonderful culture.

Cadbury has entirely no authority to ban anything. They may choose to suspend a product line if they want but it has no wider meaning. Since the sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly, you have zero basis for your facile claim of cultural destruction. Investing meaning and worth in such cultural 'icons' as chocolate and ground meat wrapped in intestines is shallow and immature.

How on earth do you conclude the "sausage thing has been debunked repeatedly"?

We have come to a partial agreement, in that we all agree there are no pork products being served in German state schools and cafeterias. The disagreement is one camp claims this has to do with an infamously intolerant religion, and the other camp claims it is for economic or potential wastage reasons. Getting ever more het up and screechy about the missing pork in Germany situation doesn't mean you debunked anything.

Cadburys probably did the right thing. If I was the boss there and was getting threats to behead me from above the law neanderthals I would probably rename a product too. Sad to say that but the playing field is not level these days.

You're kidding right? you actually believe that any consensus or deliberation or agreement between TVF posters on a thread has any meaning in the real world? Does TVF define the limits of your world? I know that for many old white grumps who are bored with life in Thailand because they don't actually like brown skinned people and they certainly don't know how to speak the language and socialise and interact with them, that TVF is the only connection they have to life. Such people like it because they feel safe in their ideological fantasies about guns, uppity coloured people, Islam, strong women and other groups that they despise. These fellow travellers are the echo chamber that makes the stupid, ignorant, low information type feel that they are being heard.

Despite the 'agreement' - evidence please, what signed documents from parties with standing in this debate can be provided? - this does not alter the fact that there is no ban on pork products in German publicly funded eateries.

You may choose to be the self appointed owner of the historiography of the world shattering debate on 'Germany bans sausages: work banned in cafes and schools to 'not offend refugees'' but since this has been demonstrated time and time again to be false and a purposefully incendiary falsehood to perpetuate anti-refugee sentiment, then occupying your time with such activity will be quite meaningless in the real world. It may, however, resonate with the handful of loopy loudmouths who stomp with their Jackboots all over this and similar threads.

No links provided on the Cadbury claim. So we are to take your word that Cadbury executives fear beheading and consequently stopped producing ovals of chocolate. I don't know what is sadder, that you believe this nonsense or that you believe that what you say in TVF has any meaning in real life. Well the rest of us will go about our daily lives of constructive engagement with our neighbours, doing paid or other work that is intellectually stimulating and having a real life. I leave you to your TVF virtual reality existence. Where the subject of pork sausages in Germany has such resonance.

Edited March 25, 2016 by lostboy

[Sheryl]

A glance at the Cadbury website shows that while their various candy eggs do not have the term "Easter" in them, there is still a Cadbury "Easter buttons chick" and that plus various chocolate and cream eggs pop up under the heading "Easter gifts", and I think we can expect that around each Easter time Cadbury will be promoting its candy eggs as an Easter treat. As to why not have the word "Easter" in the name of the candy eggs, I can think of much more likely reasons than fear of Muslim extremists (quite a stretch of the imagination to assume that such would target makers of items associated with the non-religious aspects of Christian holidays...I don't see any attacks on Santa Claus, Xmas trees and the like, do you?).

Aside from perhaps wanting to appeal to Jews, atheists and in fact all non-Christians, they likely wanted to be able to sell these sweets year round. Having "Easter" in the name restricts it to a season treat. Simple good business sense.

[SoiBiker]

Ahem.

http://www.snopes.com/cadbury-banned-easter/

[lostboy]

I am sure pork is not banned ,but it is not served because muslims will not eat it , so they put halal on the menu ,that way muslims will eat halal and those in charge reckon so will we as we dont care , and so the takeover begins , because we do not fight it , and the west dies with a whimper ,not a bang .

So muslims can't eat now? They must not conform to religious strictures? I personally think that dietary restrictions imposed by religious institutions are batty and a sure sign of how irrelevant such institutions are to the needs of people living now. But we are taught to be tolerant so we should respect their wishes.

Of course you would not be trying to inflame people or promote hatred would you. Claiming that the is the 'thin end of the wedge', the 'start of the takeover'.

Let them eat what they damned well want and you eat what you want. If some magic wand has been passed over it to make it 'halal' and it doesn't change the shape, substance or taste, then so what.

I ate a ham and cheese panini in Kabul last week. My driver pointed out a place where I could get $5 beers and $50 shots of whisky. In the scheme of things, is this really something that should occupy our minds? Perhaps yes because it brings out such hypocrisy, insularity and double standards in people who feel they must 'protect the children' and their right to be gouged by commercial food processing companies and their peddling of dangerous so called 'food' http://www.theguardian.com/society/2005/mar/06/schoolmeals The series by Jamie Oliver on school lunch food was quite fascinating. Not a mention of muslims either.

Edited March 25, 2016 by lostboy

[7by7]

I am sure pork is not banned ,but it is not served because muslims will not eat it , so they put halal on the menu ,that way muslims will eat halal and those in charge reckon so will we as we dont care , and so the takeover begins , because we do not fight it , and the west dies with a whimper ,not a bang .

Pork IS served!

I have provided evidence of this in the form of actual, real menus from a school and a hospital in an area with a Muslim population.

You made a claim that a particular school had banned pork, yet refuse to back that up with any evidence.

One LEA may have chosen a catering contract which does not include pork for it's primary schools; but the choice is still there for those primary schools in the area who want to serve it. Remember, too, that Islington does not only have a Muslim population, it has a Jewish one as well.

The unsubstantiated claim that some schools in one German state have also chosen not to serve pork does not prove that no school in Germany serves it; Such proof is impossible, because this whole topic is based upon a lie.

Pork is not banned anywhere in Europe; anyone, be they a commercial business or a public body, is able to serve it.

The only country where pork is actually illegal is Saudi Arabia.

[7by7]

I have in front of me, rescued from the bin, an empty packet of Cadbury mini eggs. Fair enough, it doesn't say 'Easter' on the front, and as far as I can remember never has. On the back, in letters far larger than the other writing, are the words "Make Easter nests!" followed by a recipe for same.

The tradition of giving eggs at Easter started because eating eggs during the week before Easter (Holy Week) was forbidden; so any eggs laid during this period were saved and then decorated and given to children on Easter Sunday as a symbol of new life and therefore the Resurrection.

Chocolate eggs first appeared in Germany during the 19th Century, and as chocolate making techniques improved, became more popular.

Among the aristocracy and royalty, giving highly decorated bejewelled eggs became popular; I'm sure we have all heard of Faberge eggs.

These early eggs did not contain the word 'Easter' because everyone knew what they represented; i.e. the Resurrection of Christ.

Thinking back to my childhood in the late 1950s, early 1960s, I cannot recall whether or not the word 'Easter' regularly appeared on all, or even any, Easter eggs or not.

But I don't think it did because we all knew what they were: Easter eggs. Partly because we were told by our parents and/or school; mainly because they were only available in the weeks leading up to Easter, as they still are today.

But as shown by previous posters, whilst the word 'Easter' does nor appear on all packaging, it does appear on much of it. Whoever the manufacturer.

The word 'Christmas' does not very often, if at all, appear on packs of mince pies; never has. Can we expect similar absurd claims come Christmas from these idiots?

Edited March 25, 2016 by 7by7

[tomwct]

The EU has now hit rock bottom! I don't think it will survive!

[7by7]

She actually bought me the packet of mini eggs.

She is Buddhist.

She doesn't eat beef due to some religious vow she made before I met her; but she does buy and cook beef for me.

[7by7]

The EU has now hit rock bottom! I don't think it will survive!

Why?

Because pork is widely sold and eaten throughout the EU and is not banned anywhere in the EU?

Do you think pork should be banned in the EU?

[rijit]

31 pages of, at the best pathetic nonsense and at its worst nasty small minded bigotry .. One would think living in a different culture would broaden ones horizons , seems to have worked in reverse With a lot of thai Ex pats

. I love the Thai visa app, but not being able to delete threads from the 'participated' page is annoying.

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[i claudius]

I am sure pork is not banned ,but it is not served because muslims will not eat it , so they put halal on the menu ,that way muslims will eat halal and those in charge reckon so will we as we dont care , and so the takeover begins , because we do not fight it , and the west dies with a whimper ,not a bang .

Let me explain it veeeeeeeeery slowly for you:

you are the manager of the only restaurant in a small town.

Of the 250 citizens, who potentially might eat at your restaurant, 175 are Muslim, 50 are Christians or Atheists and 25 are vegetarian.

How would your menu look?

a) pork sausage, pork schnitzel, pork chops and pork with mashed- pork?

or

b )vegetarian pasta, halal steak and chicken breast?

Is a ban on sausage or just a good business idea?

Should the 50 Christians/ Atheists fight back?

And would you give two hot sh1ts, if you serve 225 out of 250 citizens every evening?

Can we now put this BS thread to rest?

Let me explain this to you veréeeeeeeery simple. Tesco has a small proportion of its customers from the Muslim community in my home town ,but the meat is halal ,you can try all you like but your deceit will not change us the majority

[7by7]

If the Tescos in your home town sells only Halal meat; it is the only one in the entire UK which does!

Many larger branches of all the large supermarket chains sell some Halal meat in areas with substantial Muslim communities. They also sell some Kosher meat in areas with large Jewish communities.

But they all also sell other meat, too. Definitely pork!

[SoiBiker]

I am sure pork is not banned ,but it is not served because muslims will not eat it , so they put halal on the menu ,that way muslims will eat halal and those in charge reckon so will we as we dont care , and so the takeover begins , because we do not fight it , and the west dies with a whimper ,not a bang .

Let me explain it veeeeeeeeery slowly for you:

you are the manager of the only restaurant in a small town.

Of the 250 citizens, who potentially might eat at your restaurant, 175 are Muslim, 50 are Christians or Atheists and 25 are vegetarian.

How would your menu look?

a) pork sausage, pork schnitzel, pork chops and pork with mashed- pork?

or

b )vegetarian pasta, halal steak and chicken breast?

Is a ban on sausage or just a good business idea?

Should the 50 Christians/ Atheists fight back?

And would you give two hot sh1ts, if you serve 225 out of 250 citizens every evening?

Can we now put this BS thread to rest?

Let me explain this to you veréeeeeeeery simple. Tesco has a small proportion of its customers from the Muslim community in my home town ,but the meat is halal ,you can try all you like but your deceit will not change us the majority

So there's no bacon in your local Tesco?

You're just being silly now.

[i claudius]

Of course there is ,its the other meats that are halal

[stevenl]

Of course there is ,its the other meats that are halal

Got it, they don't sell pork, only halal meat. Oh, and bacon and I'd guess all other kinds of pork.

As mentioned, you're being silly.