More foreigners caught on overstay

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More foreigners caught on overstay
By Boonlua Chatree

PATTAYA: -- With only weeks left before Thailand begins blacklisting foreigners who overstay their visas for up to 10 years, the Immigration Bureau has stepped up efforts to find people here illegally.

A day after a Russian and Briton were arrested for a combined four years in overstay, Chonburi Immigration officers captured two Vietnamese and a Syrian on visa and work permit offenses.

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

Officers checking the Por U-Yen Restaurant in Naklua encountered a couple they initially assumed to be Thai but grew suspicious due to their accent.

It turned out the couple - Huy Thinh Nguyen, 28, and Thi Duong Tlan, 36, were charged with working illegally without a work permit.

The Immigration Bureau will begin blacklisting foreigners who overstay their visas starting March 20.

Full story: http://www.pattayamail.com/news/more-foreigners-caught-on-overstay-56365

-- Pattaya Mail 2016-03-07

[shirtless]

I feel a whole lot safer now ,

[onemorechang]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

Edited March 7, 2016 by onemorechang

[bamukloy]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

So overstay 4 years is a soft crime then?

To me it shows complete contempt. Do it in Aus or USA and see if you get a slap on the wrist and told naughty boy

[Jip99]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

So these people are staying in Thailand illegally and the authorities actually do something about it.

You are complaining about THAT ?

I think you have your priorities skewed and you are firing your bullets in the wrong direction.

[onemorechang]

its a big nothing.

Loads more impotent things could be done.

one big zero

[Jip99]

its a big nothing.

Loads more impotent things could be done.

one big zero

A country actually starting to enforce it's laws is something more than a "big nothing".

It won't last, I am sure, but any law enforcement is a step in the right direction in Thailand.

[payroom]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

So overstay 4 years is a soft crime then?

To me it shows complete contempt. Do it in Aus or USA and see if you get a slap on the wrist and told naughty boy

Well, for us that live in civilized contries and not in USA we obviously not understand how you think.

USA is a country that was invaded by immigrants in the first place and now they are afraid that immigrants will come to "their" country.

Overstay is not a big crime, and the people overstaying really doesn't hurt anyone else than themself. (If theyre not criminals obviously)

I would never want to go and always look behind my shoulder like they do. But thats their choise and if they get caught its no one to blame than themself.

A crime, yes.

A serious crime and contempt? No. Only for americans.

[onemorechang]

its a big nothing.

Loads more impotent things could be done.

one big zero

A country actually starting to enforce it's laws is something more than a "big nothing".

It won't last, I am sure, but any law enforcement is a step in the right direction in Thailand.

Be careful what you wish for.

I chose to live in Thailand to get away from the

crazy rules and regulations of the country i come from.

Thailand is a wonderful land of tolerance.

Lets keep it that way, for the minor stuff.

[Basil B]

they caught only 2 persons...

I do not think they are trying hard to catch the over-stayers.

[JESSVANPELT]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

So overstay 4 years is a soft crime then?

To me it shows complete contempt. Do it in Aus or USA and see if you get a slap on the wrist and told naughty boy

Well, for us that live in civilized contries and not in USA we obviously not understand how you think.

USA is a country that was invaded by immigrants in the first place and now they are afraid that immigrants will come to "their" country.

Overstay is not a big crime, and the people overstaying really doesn't hurt anyone else than themself. (If theyre not criminals obviously)

I would never want to go and always look behind my shoulder like they do. But thats their choise and if they get caught its no one to blame than themself.

A crime, yes.

A serious crime and contempt? No. Only for americans.

And soon to be a crime in most of europe

[Jai Dee]

An off-topic post about Californian laws has been removed from this thread.

This is Thailand, not California.

[onemorechang]

And soon to be a crime in most of europe

Who cares this is Thailand.

Not Europe.

[Rimmer]

More Off topic posts removed this is the Pattaya Forum in THAILAND it is not about the USA

[balo]

I'd say good job by the immigration police. They can probably catch 100 overstayers every day if they want to .

Edited March 7, 2016 by balo

[Alan Jazeera]

No doubt it is Thailand's fault that these low life foreigners have overstayed.

Amazing that for some on here Thailand is such a corrupt, despicable place to live yet so many are illegal overstays.

Don't tell me they have been made to stay here against their will, and they recently have managed to escape their captors and now wish to return to some grotty little council slum in the UK, where life is much lighter and brighter, and we all hold hands and skip through sun drenched meadows with not a care in the world.

Yes that must be it!

Edited March 7, 2016 by Alan Jazeera

[ScotBkk]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

So overstay 4 years is a soft crime then?

To me it shows complete contempt. Do it in Aus or USA and see if you get a slap on the wrist and told naughty boy

Yeah' or so it seems in the UK. Get caught working slap on wrist let back on the streets - disappear its the usual modus operandi for illegal immigrants!!!!!!!

[Jonmarleesco]

A pity the RTP don't put the same effort into their everyday work.

[ScotBkk]

Syrian Alla Mzeal, 30, was found walking near Soi 18 and Second Road on Feb. 25. He had overstayed 487 days.

So they are now stopping people at random in the streets ?

Nice and friendly, how many tourists were stopped before they

come up with this guy ? ( crime of the century )

It could be a bit like a Magic show.

You don't see what the other hand is up to.

So overstay 4 years is a soft crime then?

To me it shows complete contempt. Do it in Aus or USA and see if you get a slap on the wrist and told naughty boy

Well, for us that live in civilized contries and not in USA we obviously not understand how you think.

USA is a country that was invaded by immigrants in the first place and now they are afraid that immigrants will come to "their" country.

Overstay is not a big crime, and the people overstaying really doesn't hurt anyone else than themself. (If theyre not criminals obviously)

I would never want to go and always look behind my shoulder like they do. But thats their choise and if they get caught its no one to blame than themself.

A crime, yes.

A serious crime and contempt? No. Only for americans.

Brilliant my friend and wholeheartedly agree with your opinion !!!!!!

[godden]

It's a soft crime but still a crime.

[Rimmer]

Off topic, troll posts and replies and a post discussing moderation have been removed

[seancbk]

its a big nothing.

Loads more impotent things could be done.

one big zero

No it is not a big nothing.

Amongst the many long term overstayers I bet you'd find a lot of real criminals.

I feel that people who could have renewed their visas are stupid for staying here on lengthy overstays, but they made that choice and now need to deal with it.

However, real criminals who are here and cannot renew their visa because of their 'activities' etc, well they deserve everything that comes to them.

In my time here the few people I've met who are on overstays have been pretty scuzzy individuals anyway who knew full well they were taking the piss out of the system, not the high class type of tourists that Thailand wants.

The *only* thing I think is wrong is that there needs to be some form of appeal process for people who genuinely couldn't leave.... medical reasons being the only excuse.

[F4UCorsair]

its a big nothing.

Loads more impotent things could be done.

one big zero

A country actually starting to enforce it's laws is something more than a "big nothing".

It won't last, I am sure, but any law enforcement is a step in the right direction in Thailand.

Be careful what you wish for.

I chose to live in Thailand to get away from the

crazy rules and regulations of the country i come from.

Thailand is a wonderful land of tolerance.

Lets keep it that way, for the minor stuff.

Who determines what is 'minor stuff'? The offenders?

[jspill]

Who determines what is 'minor stuff'? The offenders?

If police started investigating whether retirees really have 800k in savings at all times or 65k monthly income for their visa extensions, instead of using various tricks and loopholes to get around the requirements, half the forum would be up in arms saying oh it's so minor, not really a serious crime etc. etc.

[onemorechang]

Be careful what you wish for.

I chose to live in Thailand to get away from the

crazy rules and regulations of the country i come from.

Thailand is a wonderful land of tolerance.

Lets keep it that way, for the minor stuff.

Who determines what is 'minor stuff'? The offenders?

It's a shame, If you have a problem with distinguishing between Major and Minor crimes. I cant help you there, sorry.

Just a hint

Common seance would be a good startling point.

Edited March 7, 2016 by onemorechang

[uptheos]

Who determines what is 'minor stuff'? The offenders?

If police started investigating whether retirees really have 800k in savings at all times or 65k monthly income for their visa extensions, instead of using various tricks and loopholes to get around the requirements, half the forum would be up in arms saying oh it's so minor, not really a serious crime etc. etc.

You don't need it at ALL TIMES only 3 months before renewal.

You don't even need to show that you spend one baht after renewal

[jspill]

If police started investigating whether retirees really have 800k in savings at all times or 65k monthly income for their visa extensions, instead of using various tricks and loopholes to get around the requirements, half the forum would be up in arms saying oh it's so minor, not really a serious crime etc. etc.

You don't need it at ALL TIMES only 3 months before renewal.

You don't even need to show that you spend one baht after renewal

Many don't really have the funds at all, even for 3 months. They use loan companies.

If I was to call those people 'criminals' because technically they're doing something unlawful, and say it isn't a minor, victimless crime because it could somehow result in Thailand making things harder for me, even though I'm not a retiree, I'd be laughed off the forum. Or if I said 'no sympathy for them!' if they were caught and had their visa revoked / had to leave Thailand.

(I don't believe those things, just making an analogy).

[onni4me]

I feel that this victimless crime and the overall suspicion and hatred(?) towards foreigners is going to make this place more and more unpopular. Word spreads when guys taking care of their families but not being able to do all the necessary paperwork and travel for it get kicked out...

...er...thinking about it...maybe I should overstay and get deported for a loooong time...would save me a pretty penny...

[buythisdashcam]

Soon the "fine" will be expensive to avoid beeing deported, I guess over a million ?

[onemorechang]

I feel that this victimless crime and the overall suspicion and hatred(?) towards foreigners is going to make this place more and more unpopular. Word spreads when guys taking care of their families but not being able to do all the necessary paperwork and travel for it get kicked out...

...er...thinking about it...maybe I should overstay and get deported for a loooong time...would save me a pretty penny...

Yes maybe a good way out of a relationship in the future.

Face saver all round