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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.

You say he is correct. That shows you had read the headline, not the article, because I'm sure you don't agree with the message: it is the GOP obstructing everything that lead to this.

I read the headline AND the article and I agreed with Obama that GOP hostility led to Trump. I DISAGREE with him on why. Please don't tell me what I have read or what I think. You really don't have a clue.

I also agree that Obama's actions led to GOP hostility and NOW hostility toward the establishment from the voters. People elected a majority GOP Senate and it's not supposed to just go along with what Obama wants. That's especially true when he does end-arounds with executive orders.

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There is absolutely no shadow of a doubt that President Obama will be defined as one of the best Presidents America has elected to office. Intelligent and articulate to a fault. A 'thinking man's President if ever there was one.

Rather, he said, the Republican establishment had created "an environment where somebody like a Donald Trump can thrive." GOP leaders have done that, he said, by telling the party for seven years that "everything I do is to be opposed, that cooperation or compromise somehow is a betrayal, that maximalist, absolutist positions on issues are politically advantageous, that there is a 'them' out there and an 'us,' and 'them' are the folks who are causing whatever problems you're experiencing.'"

A breathtakingly simple synopsis that explains Trumpmania.

Americans can be very proud of President Obama. How he managed to get anything done is a miracle.

Very enlightening comments.

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There is absolutely no shadow of a doubt that President Obama will be defined as one of the best Presidents America has elected to office.

There is a LOT more than a shadow of a doubt. Politifact awarded him Liar of the Year and the American people voted him worst president since WW II.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-the-worst-president-since-wwii/

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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt whistling.gif

The end of the Republican party is coming in November. It will be Obama's crowning achievement, his coup de grace on an incredible Presidency. He'll be remembered as one of America's greatest Presidents.

I had to Google coup de grace to check the spelling and YES! Coup de grace is exactly what's going to happen to the Republican party, it will be put out of it's terrible ugly misery.

A coup de grâce (/ˌkuː də ˈɡrɑːs/; French [ku də ɡʁɑs] for "blow of mercy") is a death blow to end the suffering of a severely wounded person or animal. It may be a mercy killing of civilians or soldiers, friends or enemies, with or without the sufferer's consent.

Wow Pinot you are still pushing the line for America to be a one party state with unbridled power and no checks and balances. Doesn't matter huh? It's Democrat so it will be fine? Once an inter generational Democrat always a Democrat come what may....facepalm.gif

California is the one party state and prospering! Republicans marginalized themselves there just as they're doing throughout the rest of the country.

Here is a warning to you old white guys everywhere: Get use to the title "Madam President". There is a well deserved beat down coming.

Haha! well Pinot have to laugh at your effrontery. Serious, not even tongue in cheek! Yep one party state is good for all everywhere. Care to name a few one party states around the world past and present and tell me how democratic they are or were? With leaders like Kim

Jong un and Mugabe to start you off....

Didn't realize you can see age and skin color over text connections

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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt whistling.gif

The end of the Republican party is coming in November. It will be Obama's crowning achievement, his coup de grace on an incredible Presidency. He'll be remembered as one of America's greatest Presidents.

I had to Google coup de grace to check the spelling and YES! Coup de grace is exactly what's going to happen to the Republican party, it will be put out of it's terrible ugly misery.

A coup de grâce (/ˌkuː də ˈɡrɑːs/; French [ku də ɡʁɑs] for "blow of mercy") is a death blow to end the suffering of a severely wounded person or animal. It may be a mercy killing of civilians or soldiers, friends or enemies, with or without the sufferer's consent.

Wow Pinot you are still pushing the line for America to be a one party state with unbridled power and no checks and balances. Doesn't matter huh? It's Democrat so it will be fine? Once an inter generational Democrat always a Democrat come what may....facepalm.gif

Not one party, possibly four. Half of the US will be Democrats. The other half will be independents and a fragmented GOP, consisting of the establishment/moderates (e.g., Kasich, Bush, Rubio, etc.), Tea Party (Cruz, Huckster, Santorum), and finally, the complete nutbags (Trump). The Dems should win every Presidential election for about the next two decades.

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Yeah just think how great everything would have been if only John (i don't understand the economy) McCain and his trusty side kick Sara (look at my pretty new red shoes) Palin had been elected.

Obama has put up with more CRAP and HATE than any man who was twice ELECTED by the voters should ever have to deal with.....

The first time was legit, the 2nd time the fix was in.

Just as historic as electing a minority as President in 2008, in 2012 someone was re-elected with the absolute worst economic numbers in history, a disastrous healthcare plan that needed to be changed by presidential fiat over 12 times, and resurgent terror attacks against Americans.

The only accomplishment he had to run on was getting bin Laden (although the photo from the operation room shows him sitting in the back out of the way while Hillary is in the command position). Then Obama & company had to spin the Sept 11, 2012 Benghazi attack in order to deceive voters. Less than a week prior he had been touting how successful he had been against al Qaeda, etc. Whoops, that could cost you the election.

The IRS scandal shows how the Obama Admin used the IRS to keep conservative groups from being active while fast-tracking liberal groups.

A pro-Obama media spinning everything his way and against Romney.

Obama divided the country in 2012 with his identity politics...he split Americans as blacks, women, gays, ANYTHING to distract from his horrific economic policies or Obamacare, or "Islamic" terrorism.

And yet some people still believe he is dislike for personal reasons, for the color of his skin. No, it's the content of his character that turns off reasonable people. Turns them off and opens a path to Trump. So, yeah, if Trump is elected, Obama can legitimately be credited/blamed.

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This talk about the Republican Party disappearing, carries no weight.

Fracturing? Possible. Already, there's the Tea Party led by women who meander through sentences which sound like a mix between crystal ball gazing (One of Nancy Reagan's favorite guides for her out-to-lunch husband) and belladonna-stoned musings one might hear at a beatnik free-prose night.

Yes! Republicans, pleeeeze nominate Trump or Cruz. I want to see Sanders elected and with some 88% of seats in Congress to be elected, I am hopeful that enough moderate Democrats and Republicans or Independents are elected to change the direction of the last 30 years.

While not limited, as a problem, to the US, having 1% of the population controlling 90% of the nation's wealth must be addressed. This is the single most critical issue for the American middle, working class continuation of representative democracy. It has severely torn the social fabric. We can no longer believe that, through our work, slowly but surely we will be better off in the future when our income is stagnant or shrinking and the wealth gathers even more to the 1%.


I agree. Well said.

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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt whistling.gif

The end of the Republican party is coming in November. It will be Obama's crowning achievement, his coup de grace on an incredible Presidency. He'll be remembered as one of America's greatest Presidents.

I had to Google coup de grace to check the spelling and YES! Coup de grace is exactly what's going to happen to the Republican party, it will be put out of it's terrible ugly misery.

A coup de grâce (/ˌkuː də ˈɡrɑːs/; French [ku də ɡʁɑs] for "blow of mercy") is a death blow to end the suffering of a severely wounded person or animal. It may be a mercy killing of civilians or soldiers, friends or enemies, with or without the sufferer's consent.

Wow Pinot you are still pushing the line for America to be a one party state with unbridled power and no checks and balances. Doesn't matter huh? It's Democrat so it will be fine? Once an inter generational Democrat always a Democrat come what may....facepalm.gif

Not one party, possibly four. Half of the US will be Democrats. The other half will be independents and a fragmented GOP, consisting of the establishment/moderates (e.g., Kasich, Bush, Rubio, etc.), Tea Party (Cruz, Huckster, Santorum), and finally, the complete nutbags (Trump). The Dems should win every Presidential election for about the next two decades.

God help America if that's the case. Not really gonna happen though because the country will be down the plug hole economically before your predictions could come true. $19 Trillion debt crisis and growing.....

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Obama is correct for a change. His ruinous policies and division of the American people have led to revolutionary candidates like Trump and Bernie Sanders. People are fed up with politics as usual.

His division of the American people, interesting, how did he achieve that?

To start with, Obama has taken the democratic party so far to the left they are wanting to embrace socialism, which drove the Republican party to the right.

As far as race relations, remember when Obama came out and supported the black thug Michael Brown who tried to disarm a white police officer, and the officer was forced to shoot Brown.

Black Lives Matter is a direct result of Obama injecting himself personally over every white police encounter with black criminals that hit the news, always siding with the black criminals.

Obama created internal division with his lame immigration policy to increase the number of Syrian refugees coming the the U.S., not to mention supporting a wide open border with Mexico.

It just goes on and on with Obama, and has nothing to do with him being of mixed race. Obama is just inept with no leadership skills coupled with embracing a leftist liberal ideology. This is why Trump is going to be our next president. The American people are fed up with loony liberals destroying America.

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One half-black guy can mightily change the Republican Party? Wow, the Republican Party should be labeled; "Fragile, Handle With Care." Perhaps change the name to Party of Insecure Senior Stutterers (P.I.S.S.).

Reality Check: The Republican Party is looking screwy because it is screwy. It's known they always want to blame someone/something for their failings. Perhaps they can also blame Obama for the near-depression of 2008. The 3 front-runners for Republican nominee are (at least partly) the result of recent Republican voters. They had the option to vote for a moderate like Kasich, but they instead chose to vote for the Angry Big Mouth or the Hyper-Conservative. If you bake a cake with a pound of licorice, you're going to have licorice-tasting cake.

Note: It's possible that some Democrats, who are voting in primaries where they can vote for any party, are voting for Trump - because they sense he will be the easiest to beat by the Dem candidate in November.

P.s. I'm, registered to vote in California. I feel confident that the CA primary June 8 (the most vote-rich state in the Union) will go for Sanders.

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There is absolutely no shadow of a doubt that President Obama will be defined as one of the best Presidents America has elected to office.

There is a LOT more than a shadow of a doubt. Politifact awarded him Liar of the Year and the American people voted him worst president since WW II.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-the-worst-president-since-wwii/

Actually it was the Lie of the Year, not Obama was the Liar of the year:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

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Note: It's possible that some Democrats, who are voting in primaries where they can vote for any party, are voting for Trump - because they sense he will be the easiest to beat by the Dem candidate in November.

Good point. I do wonder if this is going on en masse.

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No, it's the inept and corrupt behavior at all levels of the government that has led to policy and decisions that have decimated the middle class and made the rich richer and poor poorer that has led to the angry backlash against all things Washington

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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.

You say he is correct. That shows you had read the headline, not the article, because I'm sure you don't agree with the message: it is the GOP obstructing everything that lead to this.

I read the headline AND the article and I agreed with Obama that GOP hostility led to Trump. I DISAGREE with him on why. Please don't tell me what I have read or what I think. You really don't have a clue.

I'm only reacting to your words. No if yph decide to read the headline, post, read the whole article and post again something different, that shows your way of thinking and acting

Enough for me, I'm out of here.

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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.

You say he is correct. That shows you had read the headline, not the article, because I'm sure you don't agree with the message: it is the GOP obstructing everything that lead to this.

I read the headline AND the article and I agreed with Obama that GOP hostility led to Trump. I DISAGREE with him on why. Please don't tell me what I have read or what I think. You really don't have a clue.

I'm only reacting to your words.

No you are not. You are trying to put your words in my mouth. You don't know what I'm thinking. Quit trying to pretend otherwise.

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Since many of you liberals seem to think Obama doesn't "spin" his messages, do you think the following is "fact" or "spin"?

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Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 's*** show'
Tim Walker, Nigel Morris
12 hours ago
Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “shit show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.
Mr Obama said that following a successful military intervention to aid rebels during the 2011 Arab Spring revolt, Libya was left to spiral out of control – due largely to the inaction of America’s European allies.
In a candid US magazine interview, Mr Obama said: “When I go back and I ask myself what went wrong… there’s room for criticism, because I had more faith in the Europeans, given Libya’s proximity, being invested in the follow-up.”
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He can't lay the blame on Bush so he goes to the next easy target.
What say you Brits..and other Euros?
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Since many of you liberals seem to think Obama doesn't "spin" his messages, do you think the following is "fact" or "spin"?

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Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 's*** show'
Tim Walker, Nigel Morris
12 hours ago
Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “shit show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.
Mr Obama said that following a successful military intervention to aid rebels during the 2011 Arab Spring revolt, Libya was left to spiral out of control – due largely to the inaction of America’s European allies.
In a candid US magazine interview, Mr Obama said: “When I go back and I ask myself what went wrong… there’s room for criticism, because I had more faith in the Europeans, given Libya’s proximity, being invested in the follow-up.”
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He can't lay the blame on Bush so he goes to the next easy target.
What say you Brits..and other Euros?

It might be nice if you could provide some evidence of we Liberals claiming that Obama never spins, since you make it central to your attempt to stir up nativist Brits by posting this off topic information that is already the subject of another thread. I do not recall recent examples of the Brotherhood making such claims and as you know, our secret rites and ceremonies oblige us to use special code words to make sure we Liberals always stay on message. Do you happen to have any particular posters in mind, those that are not on your ignore list that is.

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Since many of you liberals seem to think Obama doesn't "spin" his messages, do you think the following is "fact" or "spin"?

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Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 's*** show'
Tim Walker, Nigel Morris
12 hours ago
Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “shit show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.
Mr Obama said that following a successful military intervention to aid rebels during the 2011 Arab Spring revolt, Libya was left to spiral out of control – due largely to the inaction of America’s European allies.
In a candid US magazine interview, Mr Obama said: “When I go back and I ask myself what went wrong… there’s room for criticism, because I had more faith in the Europeans, given Libya’s proximity, being invested in the follow-up.”
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He can't lay the blame on Bush so he goes to the next easy target.
What say you Brits..and other Euros?

This will in fact be the Obama legacy...he has never done anything wrong...in his estimation...there is always a convenient fall-guy to dump on...

Not a good President or person...used the Presidency to promote a personal and political agenda...to the detriment of the the US and American people...IMHO

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I see the clown Trump has described the Tiananmen Square protest a 'riot'. The riot police in China certainly have some big tanks at their disposal.

Don't expect Trump to know much about history or geography. His style is to make sweeping opinions on a Monday, and then change his opinions on a Tuesday, after being told he was wrong - and/or being corrected by his behind-the-scenes minders.

He thinks all things can be fixed with deals. How good were Trump's deals which caused his airline to never get off the ground, and some of his other businesses to crash after barely getting started? How good were Trump's deals which resulted in four bankruptcies? How about his deal to sell Trump steaks which don't have anything to do with Trump, other than him putting his label on some other company's steaks. Oh wait a moment, he didn't even put the labels on. The steaks which Trump proudly showed at the recent display table still had labels which said "Bush Brothers." It sounds like a joke, but Trump was telling everyone they were his steaks he was selling.

It sounds like a small issue, but it gives yet another window on how Trump is such a fraud (to use Romney's assessment). Does the US want a total fraud heading their country? Apparently some voters don't have a problem with that.

Even on Cuba, all Trump could say was "I would make a deal with them." He repeated that over and over, with no specifics. He couldn't articulate because Trump doesn't know any more about Cuba than he knows about Thailand or Botswana or any other of the 100 small countries in the world. Rubio responded on the Cuba issue with all sorts of specifics. Trusting Trump on foreign affairs is like trusting him on his product lines. He didn't even know some of his Trump clothing items were made in China (revealed on the David Letterman show, look it up). He knows how to bully, but is flummoxed by myriad things that HRC is well-versed on, particularly when dealing with foreign affairs.

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You don't know what you are talking about as usual. I understand the OP. I just don't buy Obama's spin.
You say he is correct. That shows you had read the headline, not the article, because I'm sure you don't agree with the message: it is the GOP obstructing everything that lead to this.

I read the headline AND the article and I agreed with Obama that GOP hostility led to Trump. I DISAGREE with him on why. Please don't tell me what I have read or what I think. You really don't have a clue.

I'm only reacting to your words.

No you are not. You are trying to put your words in my mouth. You don't know what I'm thinking. Quit trying to pretend otherwise.

Of course we know what you're thinking. You have after all posted your right wing nutter paranoia for quite some time so at this point you're utterly predictable.

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Obama has absolutely no integrity and takes absolutely no responsibility. Perhaps it not anyone's reaction to him, but him, the decisions he has made and the actions he has taken that led the country to be so disgusted that Trump became an attractive option.

Obama is a master manipulator of those prone to follow him that are not sufficiently intelligent to read between the lines and see the big picture. Obama supporters just focusing the trees he throws their oath without even realizing a forest is even there.

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Since many of you liberals seem to think Obama doesn't "spin" his messages, do you think the following is "fact" or "spin"?

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Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 's*** show'
Tim Walker, Nigel Morris
12 hours ago
Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “shit show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.
Mr Obama said that following a successful military intervention to aid rebels during the 2011 Arab Spring revolt, Libya was left to spiral out of control – due largely to the inaction of America’s European allies.
In a candid US magazine interview, Mr Obama said: “When I go back and I ask myself what went wrong… there’s room for criticism, because I had more faith in the Europeans, given Libya’s proximity, being invested in the follow-up.”
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He can't lay the blame on Bush so he goes to the next easy target.
What say you Brits..and other Euros?

It might be nice if you could provide some evidence of we Liberals claiming that Obama never spins, since you make it central to your attempt to stir up nativist Brits by posting this off topic information that is already the subject of another thread. I do not recall recent examples of the Brotherhood making such claims and as you know, our secret rites and ceremonies oblige us to use special code words to make sure we Liberals always stay on message. Do you happen to have any particular posters in mind, those that are not on your ignore list that is.

Oh, I think you know who you all are. You certainly don't need my help identifying any of you from that side of many issues.

You seem to overestimate my "ignore" list. I only had five members signed up until today, and I removed one of them. It seems one of my Ignored members is no longer with us, Seastallion by name. He dropped out of sight 4-5 months ago so you may have missed him He was also an Aussie.

I am now down to only four so there is always room for at least one more. Five has always been my lucky number.

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Obama is correct for a change. His ruinous policies and division of the American people have led to revolutionary candidates like Trump and Bernie Sanders. People are fed up with politics as usual.

You make Obama's point, that it was all personal, and when he gets out of office he might for once speak the truth and note it was largely just racism. As you point out Obama has indeed been just politics as normal. His policies were well in line with the neocon agenda and the neoliberal dogma adhered to by the leaders of both parties. People forget that "Obamacare" is a Republican idea once referred to as Romneycare, that was devised by the private health insurance sector to thwart any talk of a single payer plan. Hiding or denying the underlying racism in the anti-Obama rhetoric did not fool anyone, and now the chickens have come home to roost with what appears to be a choice between the American Il Duce (Trump) or the American Little Bavarian (Cruz).

Be not deceived;.......whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

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Obama is correct for a change. His ruinous policies and division of the American people have led to revolutionary candidates like Trump and Bernie Sanders. People are fed up with politics as usual.

You make Obama's point, that it was all personal, and when he gets out of office he might for once speak the truth and note it was largely just racism.

You and I agree on almost nothing politically, but normally I enjoy your posts. IMO, you overthink just about everything and I rarely agree with your conclusions, but I like the thoughtful way that you come to them. However, claiming that the hatred for Obama is all about - or mostly about - his race takes no thinking at all and is nothing but wishful thinking.

I know a lot of people who despise him for what he has done to our country and nary a one of them that is a racist. Of course there are still some racists out there, but that has little to do with the hatred for Obama's ideology, blatant lies and general dishonesty.

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Since many of you liberals seem to think Obama doesn't "spin" his messages, do you think the following is "fact" or "spin"?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 's*** show'

Tim Walker, Nigel Morris

12 hours ago

Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “shit show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.

Mr Obama said that following a successful military intervention to aid rebels during the 2011 Arab Spring revolt, Libya was left to spiral out of control – due largely to the inaction of America’s European allies.

In a candid US magazine interview, Mr Obama said: “When I go back and I ask myself what went wrong… there’s room for criticism, because I had more faith in the Europeans, given Libya’s proximity, being invested in the follow-up.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/barack-obama-says-david-cameron-allowed-libya-to-become-a-s-show-a6923976.html

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He can't lay the blame on Bush so he goes to the next easy target.

What say you Brits..and other Euros?

It might be nice if you could provide some evidence of we Liberals claiming that Obama never spins, since you make it central to your attempt to stir up nativist Brits by posting this off topic information that is already the subject of another thread. I do not recall recent examples of the Brotherhood making such claims and as you know, our secret rites and ceremonies oblige us to use special code words to make sure we Liberals always stay on message. Do you happen to have any particular posters in mind, those that are not on your ignore list that is.

Oh, I think you know who you all are. You certainly don't need my help identifying any of you from that side of many issues.

You seem to overestimate my "ignore" list. I only had five members signed up until today, and I removed one of them. It seems one of my Ignored members is no longer with us, Seastallion by name. He dropped out of sight 4-5 months ago so you may have missed him He was also an Aussie.

I am now down to only four so there is always room for at least one more. Five has always been my lucky number.

{text}[/12] You certainly don't need my help identifying any of you from that side of many issues.{text}[/12]

That's probably because what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

The goose steps while the gander is the highest flying bird btw.

This poster is indeed pleased to be on the distinguished poster's honor roll, its highly selective and competive chosen few. Anyone who's an enemy of Potus Obama does indeed provide testimony to the man's excellent policies and accomplishments.

President Obama is in fact the Potus the people wanted for the times, the circumstances, the conditions, so we elected then reelected Barack to firm up what he'd begun during his first term.

It is accordingly being recognised for what it is in respect of Potus, i.e., a successful legacy that is an enduring legacy.

It is comforting indeed to know the rightwhingers will be forever at it in this respect too.

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Obama's approval rating now highest since 2013, 87% amongst Democrats.

Obama has done a wonderful job, so long as you accept that his mission was to empower Islamic fascists worldwide and make North Korea and Iran nuclear superpowers. His and HRC's interference in Libya was more masterful statesmanship. They took some fossil-fuel rich loony socialist utopia with a bit of a strict leader where every one had free money and houses and stuff and turned it over to the caliphate. Brits just wanted to give Gadaffi a smack for the whole Lockbie/AlMagrahi fiasco, not give the whole country to the muslim state. Great stuff! 87% of democrats are in dire need of a wake up call aka attitude adjustment.

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