Red wine

[xylophone]

Another red wine for MR K to try Konini....................Rooks Lane.

Sold in Wine Connection for about 540 baht and comes from the SE Australia region as do some of the others I've mentioned and is of similar ilk.

[Saan]

Another red wine for MR K to try Konini....................Rooks Lane.

Sold in Wine Connection for about 540 baht and comes from the SE Australia region as do some of the others I've mentioned and is of similar ilk.

SE Australia is usually the code word for irrigation wine.

In the past it was appalling but it has raised itself a notch or two and is certainly better than fruit cocktail on offer in Thailand.

[xylophone]

Another red wine for MR K to try Konini....................Rooks Lane.

Sold in Wine Connection for about 540 baht and comes from the SE Australia region as do some of the others I've mentioned and is of similar ilk.

SE Australia is usually the code word for irrigation wine.

In the past it was appalling but it has raised itself a notch or two and is certainly better than fruit cocktail on offer in Thailand.

True enough re the irrigation and the area is called Riverlands and where it crosses into NSW, Riverina.............famous/infamous for its bulk wines and raisins!

Having said that a few companies/wineries do produce reasonable to good wines, and many have changed their MO because the irrigation was causing salination of the soil as well as producing poor wines of which there is a big surplus!

[MadMac]

Saw some new stuff in Makro today, 2l bottle, PRIM Bin 10. South Australia, Cabernet Sauvignon, no fruit mentioned on the label. 370B only. Got one bottle but haven't tried yet. Seems to be real wine and not fruit juice though.

[xylophone]

Saw some new stuff in Makro today, 2l bottle, PRIM Bin 10. South Australia, Cabernet Sauvignon, no fruit mentioned on the label. 370B only. Got one bottle but haven't tried yet. Seems to be real wine and not fruit juice though.

185 baht a litre!!!! Surely must have fruit juice in it??? Look at the small print on the back label for the words 'fruit wine' usually under some Thai stamp or similar.

Does it have a year on it?

Whatever, your feedback is awaited!

[MadMac]

Black label, no fruit mentioned.

What it says is (in Thinglish, back label is English/Thai, one piece, with that warning or whatever in big letters):

" An elegance Cabernet Sauvignon with black and distinct aromas of Blackberries and Black Pepper, selected and fermented by experience winemakers. Serve original tastes and traditional process of South Australia.

Handpicked Cabernet Sauvignon from South Australia. Intense and spicy on the palate, mouth-filling and powerful ruby red ; fully bodied and round tannins with a long finish".

Taste is so-so, have had worse ones, but for the price I'd say ok. They also had a white one, not sure what it was, did not look closer. Same price.

[Konini]

To be honest, if the label is in Thinglish, I would think it may have been bottled in Thailand, and therefore suspect. If bottled in Aus I wouldn't think about it but it would have a label in perfect English.

I could be wrong, but that just doesn't sound right. If it is bottled in Thailand, there could be things added to it. Maybe not, but why would an Aussie wine be bottled here?

Just sayin'

[MadMac]

Well, can't do much wrong for that price. It's certainly drinkable. I don't think they have any laws to declare what is really inside.

[Lizard2010]

To be honest, if the label is in Thinglish, I would think it may have been bottled in Thailand, and therefore suspect. If bottled in Aus I wouldn't think about it but it would have a label in perfect English.

I could be wrong, but that just doesn't sound right. If it is bottled in Thailand, there could be things added to it. Maybe not, but why would an Aussie wine be bottled here?

Just sayin'

The latest about bottling wine is

That it is cheaper to make glass bottles in Asia compared top Australia\

In Adelaide one of the major company that produce glas bottles for the wine industry

has cut production by half

They say it is only a matter of time before they close

It costs too much to transport to Australia

Some companys are transporting the wine to Asia to be bottled ther

So this will be the norm in future

[Konini]

Drinkable without the chemical induced hangover is good enough for all but those who appreciate the finer wines. I drink white, put a bit of Ribena in it and it goes down a treat no matter how bad it is. Some business contact once bought me a very expensive (I'm talking close to $100) bottle of Riesling for Christmas one year. Some Rieslings I like but this stuff was awful - expensive but not to my taste until I put the Ribena in it.

Thanks for the info Lizzard. It's a real shame about the glass plant. It's just going to be another case of all production going offshore, just another industry gone. There won't be anything at all left soon. Except woodchips to Japan (instead of manufacturing and value adding at home instead of importing the goods that are made with our woodchips).

[xylophone]

To be honest, if the label is in Thinglish, I would think it may have been bottled in Thailand, and therefore suspect. If bottled in Aus I wouldn't think about it but it would have a label in perfect English.

I could be wrong, but that just doesn't sound right. If it is bottled in Thailand, there could be things added to it. Maybe not, but why would an Aussie wine be bottled here?

Just sayin'

The latest about bottling wine is

That it is cheaper to make glass bottles in Asia compared top Australia\

In Adelaide one of the major company that produce glas bottles for the wine industry

has cut production by half

They say it is only a matter of time before they close

It costs too much to transport to Australia

Some companys are transporting the wine to Asia to be bottled ther

So this will be the norm in future

That's been going on for some time and you only have to look at the range from Siam Winery........ grape juice imported from other countries for their Mont Clair, Finca de Malpica, Mar Y Sol etc then fermented with Hibiscus, distributed in casks and bottles.

Wine Connection do the same but theirs is bottled in Vietnam with fruit juice added and there is a whole range of bottled and cask wines from OZ, Berri Estates, Rolling, Gossips, Castle Creek etc, etc. where the fruit juice is added there.

Such a shame that these wines will damage Australia's name/brand, which managed well despite huge amounts of "bulk/cheap" wine being produced in the Riverlands area of S. E. Australia.

The world is awash with both good and cheap wine without having to adulterate it.

[xylophone]

Saw some new stuff in Makro today, 2l bottle, PRIM Bin 10. South Australia, Cabernet Sauvignon, no fruit mentioned on the label. 370B only. Got one bottle but haven't tried yet. Seems to be real wine and not fruit juice though.

Mystery solved – – it has fruit juice added to it much the same as the other cheap stuff we see a lot of in bottles and casks.

If you look at the back label at the top on the right-hand side just below the bar code you will see in small print the words "fruit wine" which is what the wine has to be designated if it is not wine produced solely from grapes.

It has two Thai companies named on the back label, one which appears to be the distributor and the other noting that it is "produced by......................" so that would suggest it is brought into the country as the raw product (I.e. fruit juice, although it has been suggested that the grapes could have been imported?) and fermented here with fruit juice added in Thailand.

Lots of permutations possible, however the finished product does have contain fruit juice.

[MadMac]

If you look at the back label at the top on the right-hand side just below the bar code you will see in small print the words "fruit wine"

You are right...darn....that is well hidden. Next time need to scan it and run a computer search

[xylophone]

If you look at the back label at the top on the right-hand side just below the bar code you will see in small print the words "fruit wine"

You are right...darn....that is well hidden. Next time need to scan it and run a computer search

No problems MM and if its drinkable and you think it's okay then that's fine because we all have different tastes.

However you got to the nub of the problem when you suggested that, "that is well hidden" and it's the same with the Montclair wine and other stuff from Siam winery.

If a producer is going to add fruit juice to a wine, then it should be openly disclosed and it appears to be now on many bottles and casks coming from Australia, South Africa and France, however this very subject was discussed over many pages/posts on the Montclair thread and one of the main gripes was that the addition of fruit juice was very well hidden on some labels.

What it is, wasn't the problem, what was not being disclosed, was!

[Rv Hawee]

@ xylophone : thank you so much for all the post you made about wine and all the information you gave us.

About FLEUR de GALETIS (the 3 L bottle) you talk about several time can you confirmez it's "real wine" without added fruit or other chemical from Siam Winery

or any vietnamese counterpart of them ?

I didn't saw it yet in the MAKRO around my place (western Thailand) but a friend is often to CM and can do some shopping for me

The vins du pays d'Oc where often my everyday wine in France, especially during summer and autumn, so i would love to enjoy it sometime.

Anyway, château de Seguin bought by my wife in the casino at the Cambodian frontier was a marvel, even several years after.

[xylophone]

On 7/30/2016 at 11:24 AM, Rv Hawee said:

@ xylophone : thank you so much for all the post you made about wine and all the information you gave us.

About FLEUR de GALETIS (the 3 L bottle) you talk about several time can you confirmez it's "real wine" without added fruit or other chemical from Siam Winery

or any vietnamese counterpart of them ?

I didn't saw it yet in the MAKRO around my place (western Thailand) but a friend is often to CM and can do some shopping for me

The vins du pays d'Oc where often my everyday wine in France, especially during summer and autumn, so i would love to enjoy it sometime.

Anyway, château de Seguin bought by my wife in the casino at the Cambodian frontier was a marvel, even several years after.

I've looked on the bottles and casks of this wine and it says it does have fruit juice added.

[Rv Hawee]

@xylophone thank a lot for this information. It was to good to be real ...

[neilrob]

Rimping at Meechoke Plaza (and presumably elsewhere) is currently selling Santa Helena Varietal Cabernet Sauvignon 2015 at 399B. This wine is from Chile and genuine (not a fruit-added wine). It is sold around the world. The rating on Vivino is 3.1---not great but decent and it is enjoyable to drink, particularly if you allow it to breathe for a while before drinking. In terms of wine in Thailand it is a bargain.

[seajae]

actually walked into a little bottle shop here yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to find several good quality red wines all under  900 baht, aussie reds(merlot and cab sav, shiraz) starting at just over 400 baht(hardy's) a few other aussie reds at 600 baht(Penfolds) all were 2011 vintage and the surprise was Bordeaux reds at 890 baht(2012). Appears they bought in quite a few and cannot sell them so have dropped the prices, going back with more cash this week.

[Sparkles]

21 minutes ago, seajae said:

actually walked into a little bottle shop here yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to find several good quality red wines all under  900 baht, aussie reds(merlot and cab sav, shiraz) starting at just over 400 baht(hardy's) a few other aussie reds at 600 baht(Penfolds) all were 2011 vintage and the surprise was Bordeaux reds at 890 baht(2012). Appears they bought in quite a few and cannot sell them so have dropped the prices, going back with more cash this week.

So will you share the name,address of your discovery ?

 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, seajae said:

actually walked into a little bottle shop here yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to find several good quality red wines all under  900 baht, aussie reds(merlot and cab sav, shiraz) starting at just over 400 baht(hardy's) a few other aussie reds at 600 baht(Penfolds) all were 2011 vintage and the surprise was Bordeaux reds at 890 baht(2012). Appears they bought in quite a few and cannot sell them so have dropped the prices, going back with more cash this week.

 

Also quite possible that the wines are not lasting the distance well, as the 2011 vintage across much of Oz was poor as was the 2012 vintage in much of Bordeaux.